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By Emily Witt 7/29 12:44pm
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“A Serial Killer in Common” will also be expanded into a book, called Lost Girls. Mr. Kolker wrote that the book “takes a literary-nonfiction approach, focusing not just on the case but on the lives of the women who were murdered.” It was sold to David Hirshey at HarperCollins by Mr. Kolker’s agent, David Gernert, and was the second book based on a New York article to be sold to HarperCollins in a week.
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A body was just found off Old Town Road in Coram, NY (about 30 miles away from Oak Beach). I don't know if it's connected. No info out on it yet. I just saw a Breaking News Alert on News12 Long Island (TV). I will keep you posted.

PROBABLY NOT RELATED!


A body has been discovered in the woods at the corner of Hawkins Avenue and Old Town Road in Coram.
According to police, the discovery was made by a young child, who saw the body near a well-used path.

People who live nearby are shocked, and say they never noticed anything suspicious, considering the body was found near a busy intersection.

Investigators are now determining how long the body was there, along with a cause of death.
 
Truth, with respect, I consider myself a Bayesian, and I believe your math is insufficient in this instance. Let's use Bayes Theorem and I think you'll see that our competing theories are not that far removed. I'll think a bit more about how we might construct a true Bayes Net to properly weigh the (imperfect) evidence at hand mathematically to develop something with a much higher degree of statistical precision. Perhaps I can even turn you into a Bayesian:)

Also, begrudgingly, I'll think about your last comment in bold this weekend. Have a nice Friday!

As we have described the 2 events (SK halfway house call & CPH just helping call) in our prior posts, they were independent events. (if they were in fact 2 separate events)

Bayes' theorem is not needed as its a simple joint probability problem.

I know the model I used isn't perfect, I was simply trying to illustrate the unlikelihood of both events occurring independently. I will not entertain your next theory which includes your MD hiding in the brush and overhearing CPH talking to diaz about calling the mother, giving the MD the idea to place the HH call, making the probabilities conditional, hence needing Bayes'. It doesn't even make sense that a non CPH SK would make the HH statement in an attempt to aim the investigation towards CPH, if the non CPH SK knew CPH to be talking to the family already or about to.

We don't even (as of now) have reason to believe the two calls weren't actually one and the same. So we can not say that given the HH call, whats the prob of CPH calling innocently.

Moreover, in your theory the HH call occurs before Pak & Diaz meet CPH. We know Pak & Diaz checked with the G family to see if she returned to upstate NY before they went back searching in oak beach. So Pak would have known about the HH call, he would know CPH to be a liar and suspect him as the offender, and he most certainly would not have given CPH the little sisters phone number. The HH call came after CPH met with Pak and Diaz, otherwise the factual CPH call wouldn't have occurred and we know it did.

Also, no one is going to believe that this bright MD and methodical "teflon" SK used a burlap rug from his own house to wrap the bodies. You would never be able to rid your house of all the left over identical burlap fibers!

When you have multiple facts describing and outlining an event that occurred in reality, it becomes impossible to stage and substitute in a scenario that didn't actually occur.(truthspider's theorem) Just ask Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald.

And I prefer bajans to bayesians anyday. :)
 
I hung out with an old friend that lives in Oak Beach last night. She lives on the west side but knows everyone in the community. I waited for her to get a couple of drinks in her and then I started asking the questions.

About CPH, she said NO WAY!!! She said that this guy is the nicest guy in the world. Stitched her kid up when he needed stitches (on his kitchen counter LOL!), helps everyone out, helps the older people set up at the beach. She said "There is no way!". I asked her what about the phone calls and she said that's just his personality. He goes way out of his way to help people.

I asked her about JB. She said she didn't know him well but she doesn't think it was him because he wouldn't bring the girl to his house. Especially with a driver.

Asked about CS, the guy with access to the tapes. She said No. Asked about the family with the mafia last name. She said Absolutely No way!!

So I asked her if she thinks the SK lives in Oak Beach and she said YES! So I asked her if she had any ideas and she said yes, she thinks it might be someone with absolutely no connection to the case. She said I wouldn't know his name so I started throwing some more names out and she said Nope Nope Nope... But she wouldn't tell me who she was thinking it was.

We made plans to hang out again in 2 weeks. I will get the alcohol flowing and start the questions again.

CPH may be the nicest guy in the world, but the lying and phone calls just puts up a huge red flag to me.
 
..........She said I wouldn't know his name so I started throwing some more names out and she said Nope Nope Nope... But she wouldn't tell me who she was thinking it was..........

goathair, great info... can you please PM me the list of names you tried?

thanks!
 
I hung out with an old friend that lives in Oak Beach last night. She lives on the west side but knows everyone in the community. I waited for her to get a couple of drinks in her and then I started asking the questions.

About CPH, she said NO WAY!!! She said that this guy is the nicest guy in the world. Stitched her kid up when he needed stitches (on his kitchen counter LOL!), helps everyone out, helps the older people set up at the beach. She said "There is no way!". I asked her what about the phone calls and she said that's just his personality. He goes way out of his way to help people.

I asked her about JB. She said she didn't know him well but she doesn't think it was him because he wouldn't bring the girl to his house. Especially with a driver.

Asked about CS, the guy with access to the tapes. She said No. Asked about the family with the mafia last name. She said Absolutely No way!!

So I asked her if she thinks the SK lives in Oak Beach and she said YES! So I asked her if she had any ideas and she said yes, she thinks it might be someone with absolutely no connection to the case. She said I wouldn't know his name so I started throwing some more names out and she said Nope Nope Nope... But she wouldn't tell me who she was thinking it was.

We made plans to hang out again in 2 weeks. I will get the alcohol flowing and start the questions again.

CPH may be the nicest guy in the world, but the lying and phone calls just puts up a huge red flag to me.

Very Interesting.
If you can , please make her tell you his initials and/or age, and/or the road he lives on.
And if you get any of this info please post it or PM me and I´ll try to find out who it is, I´m quite good at that kind of things.
 

"He called her at around 10 and said he was coming down the road and told her to walk down the street," Overstreet said. "She hung the phone up, gave it to the people she was with and walked out the door. She said, 'If my sister calls, tell her I love her.'

"She was never seen again."

Costello did not take her purse or phone to the appointment.
When Overstreet searched the phone to find the client's number, it was missing.

So Amber deletes the SK's phone number from the phone and then gives it to her roommate. But her roommates cell phone records probably have the number that called. Not that it matters because it was probably a throw-away phone.

I think ALC may have been promised more than $1500 that night. I think she knew she would be leaving for good that night maybe to live a new life somewhere else. This guy promised her something. I wish we could find out what made her put her guard down!
 
Laster says when Waterman got there she called home "and said 'Mom, you can't believe the people we're selling to -- they're doctors, they're lawyers, they're law enforcement professionals," Laster said.

She sounded a little starstruck. But after that call and a short conversation Waterman had with her daughter, the family never heard from her again.

Security camera footage showed her leaving a hotel in Hauppauge, Long Island, alone sometime after 1:30 a.m. When the usual call she made home in the morning didn't come, the family immediately knew something was wrong.
 

From this article it is pretty clear that the jacket wasn't found on JB's driveway. The earring was. No mention of the jacket. The jacket was definitely found on Anchor by the police but was subsequently lost by the police.

I don't know why some here can't fathom her running down the block holding her jacket and when she gets to Coletti's house she throws it over her shoulder. Seems very plausible to me.
 
From this article it is pretty clear that the jacket wasn't found on JB's driveway. The earring was. No mention of the jacket. The jacket was definitely found on Anchor by the police but was subsequently lost by the police.

I don't know why some here can't fathom her running down the block holding her jacket and when she gets to Coletti's house she throws it over her shoulder. Seems very plausible to me.

it's also clear from this article that Gilbert's family have *not* heard the actual 911 call
 
To me, the disappearance of ALC definitively links SG to the other girls. The Sk took unbelievable precaution to hide his identity, made sure she had no phone or purse with her and specifically went to pick her, to ensure she would not drive to him potentially with a driver.

Gothair, thanks for posting your convo with your friend, all along the suspect I have in mind has not been named in MSM or here on WS, so I am very curious to see who your friend thinks it is.

Lastly, I am still very much convinced the AC and LI killings are related, as is a potential victim in northern NJ in 2006...although admittedly, much, much less sure about the NNJ victim.
 
it's also clear from this article that Gilbert's family have *not* heard the actual 911 call

Great work you guys - and the conversation between Inspector and Truth is making me dizzy!!:crazy: All of it is just fascinating. Goathairjones, I love the lengths you are going to for us!!! :floorlaugh: I also think the SK may end up being someone we haven't heard of yet, but there are less than 100 people that live in that community, so the list of suspects can't be THAT long. Why do you think LE has not allowed Gilbert's family to hear the 911 call? That just seems like it would be standard procedure because the family might recognize some nuance of what SG said that would be helpful. This has always bothered me about LE's management of this case.
 
Great work you guys - and the conversation between Inspector and Truth is making me dizzy!!:crazy: All of it is just fascinating. Goathairjones, I love the lengths you are going to for us!!! :floorlaugh: I also think the SK may end up being someone we haven't heard of yet, but there are less than 100 people that live in that community, so the list of suspects can't be THAT long. Why do you think LE has not allowed Gilbert's family to hear the 911 call? That just seems like it would be standard procedure because the family might recognize some nuance of what SG said that would be helpful. This has always bothered me about LE's management of this case.

Thanks Reannan!

SCPD has botched this investigation every step of the way. There is no reason why the Gilbert family should not be permitted to listen to the 911 call. If I were them, I would have their lawyer make a legal motion to allow them to hear it.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the SK is a police officer. After all, Meagan Waterman did tell her mom that some of her clients were cops.

And ALC may have left her phone behind because she was meeting up with a cop. That is one of the possibilities that would have allowed her to let her guard down and step outside of her safety net.
 
Of all places, Rebecca Nalepa's x-husband Neil J Nalepa's native area is Long Island, NY.
At least he graduated in 1993 from High School in Centereach, NY (Long Island) and he has several older relatives on Long island.
ALL his own and his relatives Long island addresses are located in Nassau and Suffolk county.


I´m NOT saying that NJN is connected to the Long Island Serial killer case, I just found it kind of interesting him beeing a native of of the two Long Island counties, Nassau and Suffolk, right were the Long island Seral killer case is taking place.

I have a list of the towns in which NJN have listed addresses as well as his relatives. If it´s alowed to post them, and someone want me to post them, please let me know.
I will NOT post street addresses or names, just towns.


I have also posted this info over at the Rebbecca Nalepa forum (hope it's ok to post it both places?):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6971801&posted=1#post6971801
 
Laster says when Waterman got there she called home "and said 'Mom, you can't believe the people we're selling to -- they're doctors, they're lawyers, they're law enforcement professionals," Laster said.

She sounded a little starstruck. But after that call and a short conversation Waterman had with her daughter, the family never heard from her again.

Security camera footage showed her leaving a hotel in Hauppauge, Long Island, alone sometime after 1:30 a.m. When the usual call she made home in the morning didn't come, the family immediately knew something was wrong.

law enforcement professionals ... that doesn't sound like "cop", sounds more like executive level...or ?
 
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