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And again, it takes a wise person to know when they are not an expert and to rely on an expert's opinion instead (I am good at this)...after the fbi got involved, SCPD brought cadaver dogs through CPH's house. Nothing new was done on the Brewer or MP front. Also, when the FBI broke out their real toys, THEY SCANNED AND PHOTOGRAPHED and DOCUMENTED every inch of Jones Island and Oak Beach! No dogs in NJ, no dogs in Islip, no dogs in Flushing. Forget Massapequa and Flushing! the fbi, unlike us, know exactly what they are doing.... :)

FBI and Police raid home of Long Island man in serial murder investigation
http://www.examiner.com/city-hall-i...f-long-island-man-serial-murder-investigation

Actually truth, the FBI were the ones who searched JB's house. Not really sure why anyone would think JB is off the hook when Shannan ran from his screaming she was going to get killed.

But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said

This is straight up Buffalo Bill "was she a great big fat person". It shows Joe is a sociopath and a liar. You don't make fun of a girl who disappears from your house in the middle of a serial murder investigation. It's also a total ****in lie because Shannan was in his house for hours. He buried himself with that comment!

Wonder what JB does when he realizes the hooker he just picked up is a tranny? Kills them and dumps them in Manorville or Oak Beach?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html
 
FBI and Police raid home of Long Island man in serial murder investigation
http://www.examiner.com/city-hall-i...f-long-island-man-serial-murder-investigation

Actually truth, the FBI were the ones who searched JB's house. Not really sure why anyone would think JB is off the hook when Shannan ran from his screaming she was going to get killed.

But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said

This is straight up Buffalo Bill "was she a great big fat person". It shows Joe is a sociopath and a liar. You don't make fun of a girl who disappears from your house in the middle of a serial murder investigation. It's also a total ****in lie because Shannan was in his house for hours. He buried himself with that comment!

Wonder what JB does when he realizes the hooker he just picked up is a tranny? Kills them and dumps them in Manorville or Oak Beach?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

It is thought provoking, the transvestite angle IMO, and wonder if this June 12, 2011 article is the first place we read about that? Has anyone read about this before? If not it certainly seems suspicious JB would throw that out there, trying to cast aspersions away from himself?

I think we might have the best and worst articles of the case linked in your post Sherlock. LOL
 
But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said
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The fact that Shannan asked the secondary question "Have you come across any transvestites?" tells us that his answer to her first question was in the affirmative.

C'mon Joe ... "No friends but the truth" ;)
 
Hey Truth, I think you're a pretty good sleuther and master debater. And you still make me laugh in that you think I'm CPH. I'm still not 100% convinced CPH is the guy (but I do assign a greater deal of weight to the probability that he might be thanks to our discussions), and I'm still interested in reviewing the court docs you mentioned. Also, I am back to the drawing board, but I still think that we should not be ruling out anyone at this point.

I still like the idea of thinking about the area around GC's house like a "probability of rain" map that you'd see on the weather channel, with GC's house as bright red and the outer perimeter of OB as green, meaning almost no chance that someone in those houses is the SK.

Someone heard the commotion. Either CPH or someone else.

I still don't have a comprehensive list of house owners in the immediate vicinity southeast of GC's house, where SG is believed to be running down Anchor. When I use Bing's 3d map of the place, there's one house south of the Dr.'s house that I'd like to know who owns.

Without mentioning ANYONE'S name or other identifying info (like address, etc), I wonder if this group could develop such a comprehensive list, say 10 houses deep from GC's house? Via PM only.

- Charles Pet... oh wait...
- Inspctr. Gadget

Hi Inspector, I've been thinking about your post since I read it yesterday. Part of why is one always has to go back to the scene of the crime in working the case.

I take the last time Shannan was spotted as the 'scene of the crime;, which is down that particular Anchor Way where 35 Anchor Way is he first house on the E of the road as one turns S and down to the Canning house. The Canning house is where Shannan was spotted by MrsC and her son who said they thought she was acting oddly and when she ran away one could see her footprints in the sand.

The only other possibility after the Canning one would come from CPH, saying he saw Shannan that night and kept her overnight at his reab center and she left in the morning.

We know he has lied in the case. This is one thing he said that he retracted, right? Just so suspicious, really placing himself with her after all the other players in the case were done with their interaction with her that night and early morning. IMO
 
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The fact that Shannan asked the secondary question "Have you come across any transvestites?" tells us that his answer to her first question was in the affirmative.

C'mon Joe ... "No friends but the truth" ;)

I'm trying to figure out why she would ask him if he'd come across any transvestites? Why bring it up? She wasn't one that we know of, right? None of the other missing girls from that area were known to be 'T's' either, right? I'm just at a loss as to the reason for her question. I also think she would have to know him to ask him such an off the wall question. IMO
 
I'm trying to figure out why she would ask him if he'd come across any transvestites? Why bring it up? She wasn't one that we know of, right? None of the other missing girls from that area were known to be 'T's' either, right? I'm just at a loss as to the reason for her question. I also think she would have to know him to ask him such an off the wall question. IMO

I wouldn't read too much into the JB comments about the transvestite conversation. To me, it just seems like he was bringing up another reason why he didn't have sex with her. First, he only hired her for companionship and not for sex. Then she brought up the transvestite issue, so even if he was going to have sex with her, at that point he decided not to. His lawyer probably told him not to admit that he had sex with her under any circumstances. This way, he cannot be charged as a John. He was just looking for a date for his party so that his friends would think he was popular! Or something like that.
 
I don't know if this was mentioned before or if this is even the same person...BUT a JB owns a liquor store in West Islip. (I believe it is the same JB). Nothing too strange there, right? You haven't seen the place I assume. Here are some reviews that really caught my attention:

"It is true, the prices are outrageous & the parking is limited. What is worse than that is the stink of incense burning when you enter the store. It's overwhelming & dangerous to my asthmatic lungs. There is some silver lining- they deliver! Kudos to that!"

Incense? Really....That's a bit strange in a liquor store unless you are trying to cover up an odor.

"I can't stand this liquor store. The prices are ridiculous and the selection stinks. Its old and dreary looking and the parking is absolutley awful. The owner is not friendly and couldn't be bothered. I do not reccommend at all."

Sounds like this store can't even hold it's own expenses...Why would it still be open?

I'm also wondering what else is in that shopping center and who owns the the whole thing. I wonder if LE has searched the premises....If this has come up before I'm sorry but since most of this thread is about SG I had to chime in.

BTW - The link to those reviews are here:

Higbie Discount Liquor & Wines.

Pics -(I didn't take these, found them on the Net).

http://westislip.patch.com/listings/higbie-discount-liquor-wine#photo-369588
 
I don't know if this was mentioned before or if this is even the same person...BUT a JB owns a liquor store in West Islip. (I believe it is the same JB). Nothing too strange there, right? You haven't seen the place I assume. Here are some reviews that really caught my attention:

"It is true, the prices are outrageous & the parking is limited. What is worse than that is the stink of incense burning when you enter the store. It's overwhelming & dangerous to my asthmatic lungs. There is some silver lining- they deliver! Kudos to that!"

Incense? Really....That's a bit strange in a liquor store unless you are trying to cover up an odor.

"I can't stand this liquor store. The prices are ridiculous and the selection stinks. Its old and dreary looking and the parking is absolutley awful. The owner is not friendly and couldn't be bothered. I do not reccommend at all."

Sounds like this store can't even hold it's own expenses...Why would it still be open?

I'm also wondering what else is in that shopping center and who owns the the whole thing. I wonder if LE has searched the premises....If this has come up before I'm sorry but since most of this thread is about SG I had to chime in.

BTW - The link to those reviews are here:

Higbie Discount Liquor & Wines.

Pics -(I didn't take these, found them on the Net).

http://westislip.patch.com/listings/higbie-discount-liquor-wine#photo-369588

Hi, I think it is JB's sister who owns the store and at least runs it.

There was a bust a while back where 2 clerks were arrested for selling alcohol to a minor and the sister wrote a comment under that article. I would post a link but don't think WS accepts that forum. The short article doesn't have it's own link, but rather the forum's. I'll ask Salem and if it's OK pop a link here. Oh, credit for that info is from Filly. Ya Ya

If the store is still open and being run by JB's sister I could see her using incense once in awhile to clear out a musty odor. He is living back there now, right, having left the OB area? I just have a real hard time with JB actually being a killer. Knowing more than he has stated to LE, possibly protecting one of his neighbors, Yes, I could see that happening. IMO
 
I don't know if this was mentioned before or if this is even the same person...BUT a JB owns a liquor store in West Islip. (I believe it is the same JB). Nothing too strange there, right? You haven't seen the place I assume. Here are some reviews that really caught my attention:

"It is true, the prices are outrageous & the parking is limited. What is worse than that is the stink of incense burning when you enter the store. It's overwhelming & dangerous to my asthmatic lungs. There is some silver lining- they deliver! Kudos to that!"

Incense? Really....That's a bit strange in a liquor store unless you are trying to cover up an odor.

"I can't stand this liquor store. The prices are ridiculous and the selection stinks. Its old and dreary looking and the parking is absolutley awful. The owner is not friendly and couldn't be bothered. I do not reccommend at all."

Sounds like this store can't even hold it's own expenses...Why would it still be open?

I'm also wondering what else is in that shopping center and who owns the the whole thing. I wonder if LE has searched the premises....If this has come up before I'm sorry but since most of this thread is about SG I had to chime in.

BTW - The link to those reviews are here:

Higbie Discount Liquor & Wines.

Pics -(I didn't take these, found them on the Net).

http://westislip.patch.com/listings/higbie-discount-liquor-wine#photo-369588

His name is on the property but his sister runs the store. Both of his sisters are whack jobs! They are very "spiritual". Basically freaks. The sister burns the incense for some spiritualistic reasons I'm sure. Nothing to do with odor, unless she is trying to mask her own.

I don't know how that liquor store survives to tell you the truth. There are 2 liquor stores on Union Blvd that do a ton of business. In all my years in West Islip, I have never been in that store and as a matter of fact, I have never seen a customer go into or out of that store. I just can't fathom anyone buying liquor from there. I guess if you didn't have a car and you lived right next door to that store and it was raining. But I am sure the prices are cheaper at the stores around the block that move much more merchandise.

There is also a small dive bar right next to the liquor store. I think his family may own the building but I do not believe they own the bar. I think it is probably rented from the family. i think the name recently changed and it may be under new ownership. I'll try and figure out who owns the bar.
 
you should start going there...you know

change for a dollar
buy a lighter
newspaper
grab a flyer...

just check them out...how weird are they? like Wiccans?

i would so check that place out.
 
I've been in there once or twice. I don't remember anything out of the ordinary. At least nothing that would stand out in my mind after the fact.
 
you should start going there...you know

change for a dollar
buy a lighter
newspaper
grab a flyer...

just check them out...how weird are they? like Wiccans?

i would so check that place out.

I don't know if they are wiccans or some other kind of religion. I will try and find that out.

I think the one sister (that doesn't run the liqour store) is a Buddhist. I am not sure about the one who runs the store.
 
Good afternoon all,

I've been reading and thinking about this alot and I finally decided I post this info to see if any of you can see the similarities and maybe just maybe, someone can connect the dots :banghead:

Someone here had mentioned the Green River killer previously so I read up on the case here; SERIAL KILLERS > SEXUAL PREDATORSGreen River Killer: River of Death http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/greenriver/index_1.html

Here are some of the things that jumped out at me because IMO they are soooo eerily similar! (Hope it is ok to do this)

Please share your thoughts with me if you don't mind. I'm on here reading as much as I can be but I get logged out often. Work computer!! Anyone, i love all of your imput. :seeya:

Thanx

Long Island Serial Killer VS

Green River Serial killer
Page 5 -Meanwhile, FBI profiler John Douglas re-evaluated the previous profile of the killer and came to a new conclusion, that there were two separate killers. Douglas suggested that, although the profiles of both killers were similar in many ways, the way in which they disposed of the bodies slightly differed. To Douglas, it seemed as if one of the killers went to greater effort to conceal the bodies than the other. Whereas some of the bodies were partially covered or buried in isolated areas, other bodies lay openly exposed to detection, such as those found in the Green River.

Yet again, the killer seemed to be taunting investigators. Even more intriguing was that the partial remains of several other women had been scattered along side the bodies of the two women. Even though the bodies were located a great distance from the others, there was no doubt in the investigators’ minds that the work was that of the Green River Killer.

Look at page 6, body parts dumped at different places, also possibility of 2 serial killers then a change in the profile of the green river killer. And this…Haney learned from the man’s ex-wife that he often frequented the dumpsites, where many of the bodies had been discovered. Also, several prostitutes claimed to have seen a man matching the suspect’s description regularly cruising the strip between 1982 and 1983. It turned out that the man passed the strip almost daily on his way to work. Some of the most damaging evidence discovered was that the man, who worked as a truck painter, was found to have been absent or off duty on every occasion a victim disappeared.

Interesting!!

Page 7 - According to Time Magazine’s Terry McCarthy, Ridgway had an unusual sexual appetite. His three ex-wives and several old girlfriends told the reporter that he was sexually insatiable, demanding sex several times a day. Often times, he would want to have sex in a public area or in the woods, even in the areas where some of the bodies had been discovered.
Ridgway was also known to have been obsessed with prostitutes, a fixation that bordered on a love hate relationship. Neighbors knew him to constantly complain about prostitutes conducting business in his neighborhood, but at the same time he frequently took advantages of their favors. It was possible that he was torn by his uncontrollable lusts and his staunch religious beliefs. McCarthy states that according to one of his wives, he became a religious fanatic, often times crying following sermons and reading the bible.


Page 8 - A typical psychopath, Ridgway forgot his victims, had a “hard time keeping them straight,” never learned their names, and wrote them off as vicarious thrills, never personalizing them at all. They were throwaways to Ridgway: disposable women.
“I killed some of them outside. I remember leaving each woman’s body in the place where she was found,” he said. “I killed most of them in my house near Military Road, and I killed a lot of them in my truck not far from where I picked them up.” He claims that they were all killed in King County, hoping that prosecutors outside King County will buy it and not prosecute him.
Ridgway's contempt for women in general and prostitutes in particular was clear in his plea bargain statement:
“I picked prostitutes as my victims because I hate most prostitutes and I did not want to pay them for sex. I also picked prostitutes as victims because they were easy to pick up without being noticed. I knew they would not be reported missing right away and might never be reported missing. I picked prostitutes because I thought I could kill as many of them as I wanted without getting caught.”
Ridgway exhibited typical serial killer behavior when he expressed his interest in reliving the murder experience which gave him the sense of empowerment that he lacked in his everyday life. He buried his victims in clusters so that he could drive by and remember the cluster and the pleasure he experienced in the murder of those victims.
 
If you can get your hands on "The Capture of the Green River Killer" movie, that is a good watch too if you are interested in that case. I agree, some things are very similar.
 
If you can get your hands on "The Capture of the Green River Killer" movie, that is a good watch too if you are interested in that case. I agree, some things are very similar.

I'll try to get a copy of that. Interesting for sure!

I can't help but think this person, the sk, is close and must be driving by the dump sites to re-live his experience. So that means he lives close by. Does he travel the route for work, to visit family, to pick up a child , what?? How does he dump bodies and parts without being noticed?

Why doesn't the LE station a camera in that area to see if a particular vehicle on constantly driving by? Come on, it may be dumb but what could it hurt?

:seeya:
 
I'll try to get a copy of that. Interesting for sure!

I can't help but think this person, the sk, is close and must be driving by the dump sites to re-live his experience. So that means he lives close by. Does he travel the route for work, to visit family, to pick up a child , what?? How does he dump bodies and parts without being noticed?

Why doesn't the LE station a camera in that area to see if a particular vehicle on constantly driving by? Come on, it may be dumb but what could it hurt?

:seeya:

Only problem is that Ocean Parkway is regularily utilized as a commuting highway by thousands of people on a daily basis to avoid the gridlock of the Southern State Parkway for people travelling from Nassau to Suffolk County (ten times as many every time there are construction projects on the S.S. parkway). Then there are also tens of thousands of daily beachgoers who also use Ocean Parkway. On top of that, we have a Summer concert series at the Jones Beach Theatre that attracts tens of thousands of more visitors at least once a week throughout the season. Add to this the hundreds of workers and the thousands of residents who work or live on the barrier island.

Trying to track the vehicles on Ocean Parkway would be like trying to track the vehicles travelling on I-95 or I-80.
 
Only problem is that Ocean Parkway is regularily utilized as a commuting highway by thousands of people on a daily basis to avoid the gridlock of the Southern State Parkway for people travelling from Nassau to Suffolk County (ten times as many every time there are construction projects on the S.S. parkway). Then there are also tens of thousands of daily beachgoers who also use Ocean Parkway. On top of that, we have a Summer concert series at the Jones Beach Theatre that attracts tens of thousands of more visitors at least once a week throughout the season. Add to this the hundreds of workers and the thousands of residents who work or live on the barrier island.

Trying to track the vehicles on Ocean Parkway would be like trying to track the vehicles travelling on I-95 or I-80.

Oh my lord, I had no idea that many people traveled that road!

I thought it was a lonely area other than the locals. wow

Okay, back to square one! :floorlaugh:
 
It's articles like this that had me thinking the area was pretty remote. Is this article wrong?

But others think there is a good chance the police are on the right track seeking out at least two killers. Forensic psychologist Barbara Kirwin chimes in with this chilling point: "We are not talking about a person as much as we are talking about a place. That desolate stretch of Gilgo Beach is a haunted graveyard, and what holds it all together is that it is an unpatrolled, completely private and deserted place where you can dump a body."

http://gothamist.com/2011/05/11/experts_disagree_over_number_of_lon.php

Also, from reading other threads regarding profiling, etc. I am wondering if this is some sort of city/county/utility worker? How are they dumping bodies and parts and no one is the wiser? They must not be drawing suspicion when they are stopped right?

Also, what about the dismemberment? Is that taking place in THAT vehicle or is it at their home or maybe a shop? Could this person be in some sort of construction so that sawing is no alarm to the neighbors?

NO IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just feel like this person is right under their noses and they are ignoring them!!
 
It's articles like this that had me thinking the area was pretty remote. Is this article wrong?

But others think there is a good chance the police are on the right track seeking out at least two killers. Forensic psychologist Barbara Kirwin chimes in with this chilling point: "We are not talking about a person as much as we are talking about a place. That desolate stretch of Gilgo Beach is a haunted graveyard, and what holds it all together is that it is an unpatrolled, completely private and deserted place where you can dump a body."

http://gothamist.com/2011/05/11/experts_disagree_over_number_of_lon.php

Also, from reading other threads regarding profiling, etc. I am wondering if this is some sort of city/county/utility worker? How are they dumping bodies and parts and no one is the wiser? They must not be drawing suspicion when they are stopped right?

Also, what about the dismemberment? Is that taking place in THAT vehicle or is it at their home or maybe a shop? Could this person be in some sort of construction so that sawing is no alarm to the neighbors?

NO IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just feel like this person is right under their noses and they are ignoring them!!

Great posts and thoughts cog! As far as the remote nature of the dumping ground, I sort of understood that it was busy during tourist season, but otherwise, was not that heavily traveled. I also thought it was thought to be pretty desolate late at night during most of the year. I look forward to hearing what our locals have to say about this question.
 
Great posts and thoughts cog! As far as the remote nature of the dumping ground, I sort of understood that it was busy during tourist season, but otherwise, was not that heavily traveled. I also thought it was thought to be pretty desolate late at night during most of the year. I look forward to hearing what our locals have to say about this question.

TY Reannan, I'm going to try to find a map of the area again but until then...can any locals tell me how far the dump site is from the small development where the john lived and, what about the road next to the dump site? Is that the often traveled road or is there an intersecting highway that the locals use?

THANX
 
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