NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #12

[minazoe]

it's all possible...all of it.

so who made the calls to SG's sister?

how did he get her number?

who do police think this person is?

while all is possible, not all of these things can be true either, it can't go all ways.

not all circumstances can apply.

just keep this in mind.

One of Ted Bundys Victims exited an elevator and rounded a corner never to be seen again.

she disappeared in a flash, without a single clue, no one knows what happened or how he made this girl practically vaporize.

In all fairness to SG, I am going to take her word seriously...until something comes together to show me how she died.

 

[inspctrgadget]

it's all possible...all of it.

so who made the calls to SG's sister?

how did he get her number?

who do police think this person is?

My bet...

Pak, or Diaz, or both arranged for a friend make the call and pretend to be CPH.

They had the motive (to avoid a criminal investigation into themselves).
They had CPH's name.
They knew he called Mari (or asked him to call Mari after they made the call).
They knew that a rehab scenario would make sense to the family.

This is the simplest explanation.

 

[nugzter]

I just went over the time line on the find SG web site. And it struck me like a blitz. No way could CPH have killed SG and dragged her into the marsh. He would have only had 16 minutes.
SG called 911 at 0451 a.m- call lasted 23 mins. = 0514 a.m
LE arrive on scene at aprox 0530 a.m.

Ok 16 mins. Not alot of time to kill, drag into the marsh where he would have been wet and muddy. Not only that but his prosthetic leg would not help in his speed.
A killer would not take an oppurtunity to make a kill and take the HUGE risk of being exposed in 16 mins. It makes no sense. And the theory of he gave her a sedative with JB is also not plausible. She was GC house at shortyly after 5 a.m. when he made the call. This also means she was still on the line with 911 when she was at GC's house. So she would have had to run straight to CPH's house (he was in no shape to be chasing her with his bad leg) and he would have had to make the split second choice to kill her and come up with a on the spot plan to rid of the body. Go and look at the time line on find SG dot com and run your theorys across that time line and see if they hold water.

I wish I had a map of where every one involved lived so I could run this time line with the map and distances from house to house. If any one has this I would love to see it. It would rock.

 

[Seaslug44]

it's all possible...all of it.

so who made the calls to SG's sister?

how did he get her number?

who do police think this person is?

Hi. It was Barthelemy's sister that received the taunting phone calls, not SG's sister.

 

[WI1987]

I just went over the time line on the find SG web site. And it struck me like a blitz. No way could CPH have killed SG and dragged her into the marsh. He would have only had 16 minutes.
SG called 911 at 0451 a.m- call lasted 23 mins. = 0514 a.m
LE arrive on scene at aprox 0530 a.m.

Ok 16 mins. Not alot of time to kill, drag into the marsh where he would have been wet and muddy. Not only that but his prosthetic leg would not help in his speed.
A killer would not take an oppurtunity to make a kill and take the HUGE risk of being exposed in 16 mins. It makes no sense. And the theory of he gave her a sedative with JB is also not plausible. She was GC house at shortyly after 5 a.m. when he made the call. This also means she was still on the line with 911 when she was at GC's house. So she would have had to run straight to CPH's house (he was in no shape to be chasing her with his bad leg) and he would have had to make the split second choice to kill her and come up with a on the spot plan to rid of the body. Go and look at the time line on find SG dot com and run your theorys across that time line and see if they hold water.

I wish I had a map of where every one involved lived so I could run this time line with the map and distances from house to house. If any one has this I would love to see it. It would rock.

I agree, if the cops searching the area have gotten sucked into mud up to their chests and need help getting out then there is no way a guy with a fake leg could do all that.

I think CPH is being framed ... but why?

 

[nugzter]

I agree, if the cops searching the area have gotten sucked into mud up to their chests and need help getting out then there is no way a guy with a fake leg could do all that.

I think CPH is being framed ... but why?

Honestly I don't think he is being framed. What I think is he put himself in this situation because he is one of those nosey neighbors who has to get mixed up in what ever is going on in the community. I am sure he called SG's mom when MP and Diaz gave him the number saying to the effect " if you can help please call".
There are some over zealous people out there on other sites who then saw this as suspect. And when CPH realized this was alot bigger of a deal than just one missing girl who just ran away from a party. He started to back track and distance himself from what was going on. But the over zealous people for other sites have already smelled blood and his quirky actions just fueled the fire to try to hang him in the court of public opinion. Then the CPH feeding frenzy started. The MSM even got in on it until they realized it could not be possible he was involvd. You don't hear him mentioned in MSM reports any more. Not because they were threatened with lawsuits, simply because there is nothing there. If there was intrest MSM would shred him apart and wouldn't even have to mention his name. Sorry for my grammer, been up 21 hours this morning. It's 0446 am where I am....tired.

 

[minazoe]

16 minutes to make her dissappear, doesn't mean she was ever in that marsh, doesn't mean she put her things there...she could have been stun gunned , shot, drugged, cuffed, strangled...in the trunk of a car...in a storage shed...etc...

just because her stuff is there....they have had all this time to toss her stuff in there.

 

[inspctrgadget]

.....I think CPH is being framed ... but why?

Pak had the motive and the opportunity for arranging for a friend (a good English speaking friend) to make that call.

The motive: He was the last one to see her. He was going to be the prime suspect in the disappearance. He didn't want that type of police scrutiny. He likely suspected that police were going to get involved and came up with this half-baked plan. The whole thing seems amateurish to me.

The opportunity: He and Diaz had visited Oak Beach on I believe the 1st or 2nd. That's when CPH gave them his business card. So Pak had his name, and knew he was a doctor. He also was likely aware that Shannan had been to rehab recently. He therefore concocted the story that this doctor ran a rehab and was treating Shannan. The call probably came within hours of Pak receiving the doctor's business card since Mari says that's when she received a call from CPH "or someone claiming to be CPH" on the day following Shannan's disappearance (like the 2nd).

Now, to misdirect any subsequent investigation, Pak had to actually arrange for CPH to call Mari. He did this via the "conference call" with Diaz, Pak and CPH. The whole "conference call" smacks of a conspiracy between Pak and Diaz. Or, Pak manipulated Diaz to join him on a call to CPH to urge him to call the family. This conference call came after Mari filed the missing persons report, so Pak was probably crapping himself at this point. By having CPH call Mari, he would be ensuring that his phone records reflected a call to the Gilbert family.

CPH obliged the request, probably confusing Mari to the point where they got in the car, drove to Oak Beach and confronted him on Mother's Day, to which he responded that he doesn't know what their talking about - he never said that he ran a rehab clinic and saw Shannan.

Note that Pak says he "passed the lie detector with flying colors." That comment raises a red flag for me that he's hiding something. Its like he's over-compensating for having successfully lied about something else - i.e., the CPH rehab call (which Suffolk County PD claims they were never informed about).

On a lie detector test, they give you all of the questions in advance. He would have seen that they weren't going to ask him about the call, so he agreed to answer the questions. He knows he didn't kill her, and he doesn't know what happened to her.

At this point, he can't come clean because he'll be vilified in the press and possibly charged with interfering in a police investigation.

 

[Just K]

It seems very likely that MP did get Shannan into his car and left Oak Beach with her.

Something may have happened after he got her into the vehicle. When he went back later that day to "look" for her he could have tossed her personal items into the marsh. Also likely, that JB, the other party member or whoever they went to see on that 15 minute drive could have tossed Shannan's items into the marsh.

Still curious as to whether the "security" cart/vehicle, that CPH reportedly used in the community, could have accessed the marshy areas. Anyone could have discarded her belongings at anytime after LE did their so-called search for Shannan. Why didn't dogs alert to the smell of her and lead them to the jeans, purse, shoes, and cell phone?

The condition of her items will give a wealth of information as to whether they have been out there for 1.5 years or not. That is six full seasons, with four very different types of vegetation, bug life, and weather. It would not be a huge surprise to find out that those items are no as weathered as one might expect.

Important Fact:
GC never said she was carrying a bag. That is significant because if she left that bag in MP's vehicle or in the home of JB or the person they visited then all three or more of them must go back on the radar. Why, because if Shannan was not running toward or into the brush, with her bag, then someone put it there later.

 

[Just K]

Re: Shannan's Disappearance
the most likely case is that one of only four or five people corralled her into either a building, an held her until LE left the area or into a vehicle and immediately left the area with her... her belongings could have been tossed into the marsh at anytime.

The four or five likely persons:
MP
JB
The Drifter
CPH
or someone who was stalking/tracking her.

If those items haven't been out in the elements the entire time then her cell phone may be able to be dried out, cleaned up and might produce evidence.

 

[Theforeigner]

According to Flukeyou, there is a resident there named "Barbara B." who has made it known in the neighborhood that she called 911 too and she was the last one to see her alive.

There is a Barabra B. listed at this address, and it is located at the very south ending of Anchor way:

<modsnip>

I do have her last name but will not post it due to forum ruels.


At this thread over at LISK this Barbara B. is discussed:
http://longislandserialkiller.com/2011/08/yet-another-warning/

Just search for the word Barbara in that thread, then you get her last name as well, and then search for that last name in the thread, and you will find all posts about her.

One interesting piece of info, dont know if it´s true or not though, is that Flukeyou has stated that Barbara B, after Shannan G had knocked on her door, called the Dr H.
CORRECTION!!! Just found the post Flukeyou posted about Barbara B. he said that she, insted of calling 911, called someone called Tom Canning:
Here is a link to that thread over at LISK:

http://longislandserialkiller.com/2011/07/sky-therapy-2/

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

There is a Barabra B. listed at this address, and it is located at the very south ending of Anchor way:

<modsnip>

I do have her last name but will not post it due to forum ruels.

Should you be posting the address?

 

[Redbird]

Regarding the call made from CPH the day after Shannan was reported missing, on the LISK site Marie states that the call was made from CPH's land line and that she and LE have proof of this. I believe we discussed this some threads back. If that is the case, if someone else made the call they had to sneak into the Hackett's house and pretend to be Hackett.

 

[Just K]

http://longisland.blockshopper.com/property/47-20-89-243-000-0001-189-000-0000/48_larboard

Scroll down to this 2010 Google map. There is an area Just SE of 100 Anchor Way. Zoom in six times on the "marsh" There are three large impressions and two smaller ones. Next to the North Eastern-most impression look at the small tan item...almost looks like a figure that one might see in a LE chalk line.

 

[Sillybilly]

Important Fact:
GC never said she was carrying a bag. That is significant because if she left that bag in MP's vehicle or in the home of JB or the person they visited then all three or more of them must go back on the radar. Why, because if Shannan was not running toward or into the brush, with her bag, then someone put it there later.

Another significant thing that GC "never said" is that SG was on her phone when she arrived at his house. If SG was NOT on the phone and the family's statement is correct that SG's 911 call ended at 5:14 with the sound of her being pulled into a vehicle, then she had been pulled into a vehicle and never arrived on GC's doorstep at all. IF GC was the neighbour that called 911 at 5:22 (as per the timeline at the other site), then it seems to have been a bogus call.

ETA: Regardless of who that 5:22 call to 911 was from, SG had supposedly been pulled into a vehicle at 5:14. Is it possible that she had already escaped from a vehicle prior to running to GC's?

 

[Seaslug44]

http://longisland.blockshopper.com/property/47-20-89-243-000-0001-189-000-0000/48_larboard

Scroll down to this 2010 Google map. There is an area Just SE of 100 Anchor Way. Zoom in six times on the "marsh" There are three large impressions and two smaller ones. Next to the North Eastern-most impression look at the small tan item...almost looks like a figure that one might see in a LE chalk line.

I can't seem to figure out exactly what area you are seeing those items. If you can do a "printscreen" and past the area into Microsoft Paint, then cut out the area and circle it. You can upload the image and I will be able to upload a 2011 image zoomed in to about 200 feet from the air so we can see what it really is.

 

[minazoe]

does anyone know what they're doing today? is there a search?

why don't I just look for myself...geesh. :waiting:

 

[Seaslug44]

Here is something that has never come up regarding the first response to the 911 call;

How did the police officer know to go to JB's house to investigate the incident? And how did he know that her name was SG?

I guess we can assume that she gave her real name to the 911 operator. If that is true then regardless of what we are being told, it is highly likely that she felt a real threat against her life. Otherwise, why go through the trouble of knowing that she risked arrest for being there committing a crime unless it was absolutely necessary for her survival?

MP's statement is that he left Oak Beach at 6am and that he never saw or spoke to a police officer.

It is well documented that SG told the 911 operator that she thought that she was on Fire Island (so she did not give them JB's address).

GC has made it quite clear that you can ask him anything... "just don't ask me to give up my neighbors" as he put it.

So did he go against his own rule and give JB's info?

Prior to that night, did he even know JB's name or where he lived?

I assumed that he did when he said the "asian man" (MP) told him there was a party down at JB's house. But we don't know absolutely that he did know JB prior to that evening.

Once again, this investigation has many secrets and one of them is clearly the story that can be told by that police officer who responded to the initial 911 call. He and all of the 911 calls (especially SG's) hold much of the keys that are crucial to solving this mystery;

• He arrived before MP claims to have left the community. Did he see MP leave?
• Did he secure the front gate area to prevent any access in or out of the community via motor vehicle?
• Did he inquire about the videotaped security footage?
• Did he indeed find her jacket and if so, what did he do with it?
• What exact areas did he search?
• Was his search by foot or did he just do a quick "drive-bye" through the neiighborhood?
• Was JB waiting for him to arrive at his doorstep?
• What other neighbors gathered once they were aware that a police search was taking place?
• What did the other 911 callers hear/see?
• Where exactly were these so-called "foot steps in the sand" and what direction were they headed?
• When she was last seen running (by the son & his mom who claim that one minute she was there and one minute she was gone leaving just footprints in the sand), was she barefoot? Was she carrying a pocketbook/purse? Were her jeans on or off?
• Same question for GC- Purse or no purse? Shoes or no shoes? Jeans or no jeans?
• Who is the person Sg named on the 911 call who she claims was trying to kill her? Is it MP?

Did he indeed

 

[draculette]

Hey everybody, I haven't been on here in a long while. Alarm bells went off in my head today, when I was reading an article on Newsday.com regarding tomorrow's vigil at Gilgo. Melissa Cann (sis of MBB) and Lorraine Ela (mom of MW) said they hadn't been able to reach Kimberly Overstreet lately. I remember Kimberly said in the A & E special that she had been posting ads on Craigslist trying to lure the SK....

 

[draculette]

Here's a link to that article
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/loved-ones-of-gilgo-victims-thank-police-1.3383469