NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[oceanblueeyes]

Quoting myself from before: "I am starting to hear chatter of a possible 2two SK'ers working together. A dominant and subsurviant. This would make sense why there are two different MO's. One is strangling and the other is dismembering."

~One must assume, this MALE got in the way or was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

It isn't out of the question either since this area is so dense with growth that another murderer could have tossed a body out there too.

Now for a time Otis Toole (sp?) and Henry Lucas did pair up......and both were serial killers.

IMO

 

[Lera213]

small community, don't most serial killers start out young by killing animals? Wonder if a small place like this has any records of young lads that did this 10 to 20 years ago in this area?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think we need to DROP the DR. as a potential suspect. The specialist have already ruled him out. They know what/who they are looking for...

You're free to drop him if you want to, but he fits my profile to a T and I've yet to read/hear any clear explanation for alot of these oddities surrounding him. So...he stays right there at the top of my list.:crazy:

 

[Lera213]

I do think in the end we will learn of some type of religious connection.

 

[SuziQ]

I think we need to DROP the DR. as a potential suspect. The specialist have already ruled him out. They know what/who they are looking for...

It's true that LE has not named the guy a suspect, but LE hasn't ruled anyone out have they? All I've heard is the call was debunked. That's a very vague statement. Actually I think someone else called pretended to be the doc.

 

[Lera213]

You're free to drop him if you want to, but he fits my profile to a T and I've yet to read/hear any clear explanation for alot of these oddities surrounding him. So...he stays right there at the top of my list.:crazy:

I think the cops want to look at him again after talking to SG family. I don't think they have given up on him either even if they ruled him out. It was a wishy washy ruled out message too. lol

I don't know it could be ANYBODY at this point. We have some dude out there that is a sicko, and he needs to be taken down ASAP. Quick someone tell SUFFOLK police to call Yuri down in Fla to find SG. :floorlaugh:

 

[minazoe]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ch-for-bodies-off-l-i-in-serial-killer-probe/

my apologies if this link was posted before. however if you scroll down the article a video will load.
the video is to the left of "video news"

hackett is in the video, if you watch the video you will notice that dr hackett has a problem walking and gets very out of breath. physically i don't think he could chase these girls or catch them due to his physical condition.

into the video (which starts out mentioning divers) go into the video until 1:06 into the video they show hackett walking.

if hackett was the sk, it would make no sense for him to call the family and give himself away. now he's a local there and would know about shannan going missing that night. if he saw her early morning, likely looking sick and distressed, now even in lower light, your having the morning light come into play. if she was in a state where even her body posture looked like she was in distress i could understand that comment.

what i don't understand is why he would say shannan was at his house when she wasn't; he just merely saw her.

now it's possible someone else called claiming to be him, this person would be local and want to divert attention away from his sk self.

as for rifkin and his 3 missing victims; rifkin buried them in 3's.
so if they are rifkin's i'd think they'd find 3 in a close area.

dude...makes me even more convinced this guy is a Rifkin fan...Rifkin's sets of three...this guys sets of 4...

maybe just a weird coincidence,

 

[SK_Hunter]

According to the police commisioner

The Dr. making the call is "debunked"--sounds like he is totally off the hook, no surprise to me. BTW, the phonecall to SG's mother was made the day after she went missing, May 2.

Easy enough to trace phone records of the Dr.

Where are we on getting voice samples to the sister of Melissa Barthelemy of the male players in this story?? I mean was there an accent? Asians can at times, be verbally distinct?? Could easily rule out the driver?? I have to believe LE has had this thought. But then again, how do you miss an earring and a jacket?? They have been sloppy so far, which has me wary.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do think in the end we will learn of some type of religious connection.

You think he is killing them because he thinks prostitutes are in the "hands of the devil?" More or less.

Maybe.......I say depending on how young or old he is.

He just may think they have no human value without having any religious beliefs.

Ridgeway wasn't a religious fanatic was he?

IMO

 

[Columbo]

I doubt it but it could be the SK playing his game too. Don't know how he could use a computer that is untraceable unless he stole a laptop and used wifi.

Thanks, Lera. This occurred to me too, that it might be the SK playing a game. Good points about the computer, etc.

 

[Redbird]

They may have said they have debunked the phone call to put the caller at ease.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think there has to be a religious element. Some SK's kills prostitutes simply because they are "easier" targets, easier to obtain, to get into their vehicles, and the time before they are reported missing is often longer.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You're free to drop him if you want to, but he fits my profile to a T and I've yet to read/hear any clear explanation for alot of these oddities surrounding him. So...he stays right there at the top of my list.:crazy:

I think whomever did this is ...........is physically fit.

It takes a lot of strength to do what the SK has done imo.

IMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think the cops want to look at him again after talking to SG family. I don't think they have given up on him either even if they ruled him out. It was a wishy washy ruled out message too. lol

I don't know it could be ANYBODY at this point. We have some dude out there that is a sicko, and he needs to be taken down ASAP. Quick someone tell SUFFOLK police to call Yuri down in Fla to find SG. :floorlaugh:

ITA, Lera. It isn't just some random SK who picked SG up off that beach. She fled a house in terror and was never seen or heard from again. WAY too much of a leap to think some random SK just happened upon her after that occurred. At 5 am? In an area not heavily travelled? Uh uh.

In my opinion, we're looking at one of the 4 men who have stated they saw SG that night: JB, PH, her driver, the drifter, and possibly a 5th man, if the driver of the white SUV was someone other than SG's driver. Of the 4, 3 were living in the gated community close to wear bodies were found. I don't see that as a coincindence. Not by a long shot.

Then we have someone calling SG's mom, a day or two after SG disappears, claiming to be PH. Assuming for a moment the caller wasn't PH, how did the caller know PH had even seen SG that night? Some random SK chooses the area near the gated community as a dumping ground, lucks out and finds SG freaking out after fleeing a home in the gated community, somehow knows PH has seen SG at Oak Beach that morning, and decides to call SG's mom pretending to be the PH? HUGE stretch of the imagination, imo.

JMO

 

[Columbo]

You're free to drop him if you want to, but he fits my profile to a T and I've yet to read/hear any clear explanation for alot of these oddities surrounding him. So...he stays right there at the top of my list.:crazy:

One thing about this doctor that makes me think it's not him is that it sounds like he's really out of shape and wouldn't have been able to dispose (ugh) of his victims as easily as a more fit person.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think there has to be a religious element. Some SK's kills prostitutes simply because they are "easier" targets, easier to obtain, to get into their vehicles, and the time before they are reported missing is often longer.

That sure could be true. Some SKs thinks the prostitutes will not be missed. They view them as the 'nobodies' in society.

IMO

 

[SK_Hunter]

okay i'm confused are you advertising for this website?
if it were a govt owned site, it would end in .org, however it just ends in .com so is it legit? i'm scared of getting a virus

As simple as, I found a previously unknown SK using this Website\Database. I assumed that that would interest a few here. You have my word that it is not viral. And some how, they way you used advertising, it sounded like a no no. Ha. It was purely sharing. Trust me, most will be thankful. Ow and it's not a government related website.

 

[Sillybilly]

Jumping in here while still trying to catch up on this thread ... Yep, it's a doozy, and you all are doing a great job with sleuthing here.

Just some observations and comments ..

I'm having difficulty remembering the source for PH's conflicting statements with regard to having seen or not seen Shannan. Conflicting statements, combined with having watched the media interview with him however, sure makes my antennae jiggle a lot. IF PH did in fact do a flip-flop on whether or not SG was in his home, maybe it was a prudent way of explaining away any DNA that might ultimately be found in a search of his residence.

WRT PH having been ruled out at this point because LE says he is not a "suspect"? Until such time as a suspect is named, any categorization remains fluid as long as the investigation is fluid. Basically everyone on the periphery of this case would be a person of interest at this point, and until such time as there is convincing evidence to advance someone forward into the classification of "suspect", they remain POIs (unless they are able to be totally discounted for whatever reasons). One example that stands out in my recent memory is the Bobby Cutts case. While Cutts (a police officer himself) acknowledged that he would be naive to think he was not a POI or suspect in the death of his pregnant girlfriend, LE very distinctly announced that Cutts was not a suspect, "not even a person of interest" ... a short time later, Cutts was arrested, charged, and ultimately convicted of her death.

I am intrigued with the AC composite sketch having such an uncanny resemblance to a member of the OBCA. With the OBCA having only 300+ residents to draw its membership from, it is certainly within the realm of possibility (probability?) that the "look-alike" would be familiar with both PH and JB.

Back to reading ... and trying to digest all this

 

[oceanblueeyes]

ITA, Lera. It isn't just some random SK who picked SG up off that beach. She fled a house in terror and was never seen or heard from again. WAY too much of a leap to think some random SK just happened upon her after that occurred. At 5 am? In an area not heavily travelled? Uh uh.

In my opinion, we're looking at one of the 4 men who have stated they saw SG that night: JB, PH, her driver, the drifter, and possibly a 5th man, if the driver of the white SUV was someone other than SG's driver. Of the 4, 3 were living in the gated community close to wear bodies were found. I don't see that as a coincindence. Not by a long shot.

Then we have someone calling SG's mom, a day or two after SG disappears, claiming to be PH. Assuming for a moment the caller wasn't PH, how did the caller know PH had even seen SG that night? Some random SK chooses the area near the gated community as a dumping ground, lucks out and finds SG freaking out after fleeing a home in the gated community, somehow knows PH has seen SG at Oak Beach that morning, and decides to call SG's mom pretending to be the PH? HUGE stretch of the imagination, imo.

JMO

The SK knows the area. He knows what home she went to. He was watching. He was waiting. She ran. He caught her.

IMO

 

[tfrohning]

So, someone is thinking the newest remains found, could be victims of Joel Rifken?

Madness.

Again, I will say, that this SK may have thought that, statistically speaking, the best possible location to put his victims remains, would be an area that had already been used as a dumping ground by another SK.

What would be the odds of TWO SK's operating in the same place, kwim?

Does anyone know precisely where JR put the remains of his victims?

oh I just lost my post:banghead: I wouldn't be surprise if LE was talking with Joel.