NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[chemcopout]

well now that we know that ac and li is 2 different serial killers, and with the possibility some of the new remains aren't related to the li gilgo killer, the real sk is probably crapping his pants thinking oh my god they found more and they're not all mine! they'll pin it on me

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think whomever did this is ...........is physically fit.

It takes a lot of strength to do what the SK has done imo.

IMO

Not if you drug the victims first.

My assumption is that all these victims were drug users or drug addicts. Offer a pipe laced with something, slip something into a drink, wait until they become incapacitated.

I have strong suspicions that SG was drugged due to her behaviour and disorientation, though whether that was for sexual purposes or as a prelude to murder, I couldn't say. But I do think she realized she had been drugged and that's why she said, "They're trying to kill me." No one pulled a knife on her, or tried to strangle her, and she just stuck around to wait for her driver. I think she was having a hard time figuring out exactly what had happened to her because her thought processes were impaired.

Again, MOO

 

[chemcopout]

As simple as, I found a previously unknown SK using this Website\Database. I assumed that that would interest a few here. You have my word that it is not viral. And some how, they way you used advertising, it sounded like a no no. Ha. It was purely sharing. Trust me, most will be thankful. Ow and it's not a government related website.

sk, that's amazing, when were you able to find this johnny white whose victims were blamed on shawcross? was it prior to shawcross' death?

i've bookmarked your site for future use

 

[SK_Hunter]

svpernin
Very true about the cell and Text

Also thank you SK Hunter for the great link.


Also adding something triggered this UnSub and I'd suspect based on the typical profile of a SK he had a daughter who was very rebellious.Beyond a normal teen be cause he is such a control freak.This daughter ran away and got caught up in the Escort/Prostitution business.Maybe even dieing as a result.Add this to the fact his own Mom I'd bet was a single mother very possible an Escort/Prostitute her self or very abuse for any number of reasons including religious.

I'd look at records for the area for the last 10 years to see if any one there or from the area lost a daughter that way or ran away and is missing.Then cross reference it with mother's backgrounds to see if any father were the product of single mothers that were prostitutes and or abusive for any number of reasons including religious.

No problem. Let me know if you have any questions!

 

[bdawk20]

Found this article with quotes from a forensic psychiatrist regarding the SK....pretty interesting.

http://news.discovery.com/human/long-island-serial-killer-profile-110413.html

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not buying that anyone has been ruled out, i.e the doctor; no one is a "suspect" yet, so LE can say he is not a suspect, truthfully.

But I am not seeing how the man, and possibly the woman and child are related to the first four victims. That would be a really strange SK.

 

[SK_Hunter]

Here is the thing with me. This SK is surrounded by water, why not dump the bodies in water or if they live there use a boat, why bury them?

My gut still keeps telling me that the reason this SK is killing is not only for the whatever pleasure he gets from it but he really likes the cat and mouse game with police more!

I wonder since so much has been written about serial killers, and with the TV show Dexter, would this SK who is wiser, more educated, socially accepted in his community, actually have a MO that copies other SK's MO? I mean I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some victims died of strangulation, dismemberment, sexually mutilated to name a few.

I see this guy as been doing this for years. Someone else mentioned that their gut told them it was an older man. I tend to agree, that this SK is at least in his early 40's of not late 40's.

That data base is all and good, If I knew how to search multiple states at once for a particular MO and of course we do not know this SK MO yet at all.

I wouldn't be surprised that he lives along, and how he is able to stay connected and enjoy his cat and mouse game is via blogs, media outlets but he knows to keep his distance knowing the police will know he is eager to learn more. Yeah this killer is very sophisticated

This is one of my qualms with that DB as well. Spoke with the author of the DB and apparently theres the option to download all the data and feed it into the DB application of your choice. I suggest keeping a detail notebook as you search county to county, or city to city. I usually hone in on an area and thoroughly search the surrounding counties. FWIW

 

[Mountain_Kat]

SK Hunter, could you post that link to the website again, please? I can't find your post. TIA

 

[chemcopout]

SK Hunter, could you post that link to the website again, please? I can't find your post. TIA

http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers/find-serial-killers

mt kat, here's his link, it's very interesting and organized

 

[chemcopout]

The is one of my qualms with that DB as well. Spoke with the author of the DB and apparently theres the option to download all the data and feed it into the DB application of your choice. I suggest keeping a detail notebook as you search county to county, or city to city. I usually hone in on an area and thoroughly search the surrounding counties. FWIW

keeping a notebook is always good, my wife had kept one from all sorts of missing cases off the doenetwork. there seemed to be more in texas, az and the midwest

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not if you drug the victims first.

My assumption is that all these victims were drug users or drug addicts. Offer a pipe laced with something, slip something into a drink, wait until they become incapacitated.

I have strong suspicions that SG was drugged due to her behaviour and disorientation, though whether that was for sexual purposes or as a prelude to murder, I couldn't say. But I do think she realized she had been drugged and that's why she said, "They're trying to kill me." No one pulled a knife on her, or tried to strangle her, and she just stuck around to wait for her driver. I think she was having a hard time figuring out exactly what had happened to her because her thought processes were impaired.

Again, MOO

I am not sure she was drugged. Wasnt she able to stay on the phone with 911 for some time? I do think she was frantic. We will never know what she was facing.

But LE doesn't think they were murdered there do they? Don't they think this is his dumping grounds?

Imo, if so, he certainly has to be physically fit to carry dead bodies all the way into that thick brush so he can make sure they cant be seen from the road.

We will never know sadly what she went through but she was right........'they' whomever 'they' comes to be were certainly trying to kill her and in all likelihood did just that.

imo

 

[svpernin]

http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers/find-serial-killers

mt kat, here's his link, it's very interesting and organized

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Sorry, didn't feel like looking for the original post but I just wanted to say, SK Hunter, this website is awesome! Thanks for sharing it!

 

[Lera213]

There is more than the couple of reasons you listed a killer, serial or not, would dismember a victim. It could be something as simple as the body is easier to transport cut up and put into a container/bag.

Here is Joel Rifkin explaining why he dismembered one of his victims. The first two minutes and you'll have to double click the video because the embedding is disabled.

WARNING! Graphic Description

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2kjkBXCxdA&feature=player_embedded

Thank you for this. Since I lived overseas at the time I've never heard about Rifkin until now.

So now with this case, do we have a copy cat? Does the FBI believe that there are bodies that he dumped here? This video series states that several victims of Rifkin's have never been found. One is of him stating he cut up and mixed the parts in cement, them dumped them in water. Could this be why the dive team is going in this area and looking for this? Could Rifkin had a penpal, and Rifkin talked to someone about his killings, like location and so forth? I'm wondering now if not most of these bodies will be victims of Rifkin and only the 4 recent ones those of some person who followed Rikin's case at least.

 

[Lera213]

The is one of my qualms with that DB as well. Spoke with the author of the DB and apparently theres the option to download all the data and feed it into the DB application of your choice. I suggest keeping a detail notebook as you search county to county, or city to city. I usually hone in on an area and thoroughly search the surrounding counties. FWIW

Thank you, I've booked marked the site and just to test it out I put in my county. LOL 1 murder by hammer only. I'm so secluded. LOL

 

[SK_Hunter]

sk, that's amazing, when were you able to find this johnny white whose victims were blamed on shawcross? was it prior to shawcross' death?

i've bookmarked your site for future use

lol...thanks!! It still is surreal feeling. First off, you may have misinterpreted my statement concerning Shawcross. He was never "blamed" for them (that I know of), I wrongly assumed that these were the possible victims of Shawcross. Especially after being told the SK I uncovered, died of a heart condition in the hospital. Which is exactly how Shawcross died. On top of that, I found it inconceivable, that two SK's were operating at the same time, preying on the same populace, in the Rochester area. But it was then confirmed that it was not Shawcross but this John White fellow. As for your other question his killings occurred simultaneously with Shawcross's, which was around approx 1988-1993. Give me a few minutes and i'll try and post of pic of the search results that I came across, that revealed this SK. Its a nice visual example of what someone should look for. And trust me, in the beginning I was like WTH am I looking at, but when you see these search results, you'll probably come to the same conclusion I did, "If that aint a pattern, then I have no idea what a pattern is". That was the point in which I was like "Okay, I got his". I do think luck played a small part but overall, I have submitted about 10 cases with more to come. I'll work on that pic now...

Website again: http://applications.scrippsnews.com/murder/

 

[SK_Hunter]

http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers/find-serial-killers

mt kat, here's his link, it's very interesting and organized

Here is another link to the same site that details the current investigations that have stemmed from the use of this DB.

Link: http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers

 

[evelyn24]

Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
ITA, Lera. It isn't just some random SK who picked SG up off that beach. She fled a house in terror and was never seen or heard from again. WAY too much of a leap to think some random SK just happened upon her after that occurred. At 5 am? In an area not heavily travelled? Uh uh.

In my opinion, we're looking at one of the 4 men who have stated they saw SG that night: JB, PH, her driver, the drifter, and possibly a 5th man, if the driver of the white SUV was someone other than SG's driver. Of the 4, 3 were living in the gated community close to wear bodies were found. I don't see that as a coincindence. Not by a long shot.

Then we have someone calling SG's mom, a day or two after SG disappears, claiming to be PH. Assuming for a moment the caller wasn't PH, how did the caller know PH had even seen SG that night? Some random SK chooses the area near the gated community as a dumping ground, lucks out and finds SG freaking out after fleeing a home in the gated community, somehow knows PH has seen SG at Oak Beach that morning, and decides to call SG's mom pretending to be the PH? HUGE stretch of the imagination, imo.

JMO

I agree, and I want to add that since serial killer's heavily rely on their ritual and, the process of picking out their victim is very important to them, I don't think the SK decided to grab SG after she showed up at his door screaming in the wee hours of the morning. Too spontaneous and dangerous, and he wouldn't be in control in that situation.
It would go against his ritual. I think it was someone at the home in which Shannon was called to "party."

 

[Lera213]

Here is another link to the same site that details the current investigations that have stemmed from the use of this DB.

Link: http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers

could you please show some pictures or screen shots of your graphs in how you saw a pattern because looking at this is confusing to me.

I don't see the link above showing details of current investigations? Never mind I clicked on the big yellow letters...LOL

 

[svpernin]

Here is another link to the same site that details the current investigations that have stemmed from the use of this DB.

Link: http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers

Once again, thanks for posting these links. Living on LI right now, I've been wondering more and more how statistically abnormal what is happening here right now might be (especially the idea of two killers dumping in the same stretch). Seems like that website might have some answers for me.

 

[Lera213]

yeah I wonder if this SK didn't do his homework on Rifkin!