NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[SK_Hunter]

keeping a notebook is always good, my wife had kept one from all sorts of missing cases off the doenetwork. there seemed to be more in texas, az and the midwest

Actually, I am happy you brought up the Doe Network because I wanted to offer another starting point for those new to this website. I started searching, naturally, around me and the surrounding areas. Hence, my coming across Rochester. After that I was kind of lost as to where to start searching next. What I found out, after much trial and error, is that a resource like the Doe Network is a perfect place to obtain "search" ideas. Find a missing or body found case, and start hunting the area and the surrounding areas. I cant tell you how much easier this has made my researching. Also, any new missing or body found cases that I come across in the news, I immediately pull up this website and start hunting. Just a few suggestions to make starting out easier. Here is a link to a pic of my search results that uncovered my SK. Its worth seeing to get an idea of what you will be looking for:

http://img707.imageshack.us/i/searchresults.jpg/

Sorry, I said 8, it was actually 7. The lone white female was also his victim.

Notice all the 80's. An 80 means Strangulation. Notice the ages. Notice the race. Notice even the peculiar occurrences in the same months. Also pay attention to years. Same MO every 2 years. 4 times in a same year. These are all the things that you will be looking at, for patterns. Enjoy!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I agree, and I want to add that since serial killer's heavily rely on their ritual and, the process of picking out their victim is very important to them, I don't think the SK decided to grab SG after she showed up at his door screaming in the wee hours of the morning. Too spontaneous and dangerous, and he wouldn't be in control in that situation.
It would go against his ritual. I think it was someone at the home in which Shannon was called to "party."

I'm inclined to believe that also, Evelyn. I'm also having a difficult time envisioning just SG, JB, and Drifter constituting a "party". So, I'd really like to know if anyone else was at the house that night besides just these 3 people. Was the asian male in the SUV SG's driver, or was he a quest at this party? Was PH at this party? I don't know, but I sure would LIKE to. Because in my mind, I can't separate SG's disappearance from 1). this party, and 2). this gated community.

 

[cleo612]

I haven't been able to keep up with this case at Websleuths; you all are doing a great job of sleuthing the details around possible suspects, etc. So I don't want to veer the conversation off in the wrong direction, but did anyone else see this article in the NY Daily News ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...add_twist_to_call_girl_serialmurder_case.html

Check out the first comment (time 9:54 a.m.) by someone named "Shanan" (spelled with one "n") --that's why I wanted to post this. I thought it was a little eerie--but I wonder if what the person says really is true or if someone is trying to present herself (or himself) as Shannan, the missing woman in this search? She talks about having information that could help this case.

Seems like it must be a pretender because Shannan would know how to spell her own name. But then again.....

Again, apologies, I don't mean to be throwing a curveball into your discussion here.

Columbo

That comment made me recall something that I read earlier in these threads.

Somewhere it was stated that Shannan had deposited $900 into her bank account the night she disappeared and then went on her way to meet this john.

Very strange that this person's comment includes the exact amount of money.

 

[SK_Hunter]

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Sorry, didn't feel like looking for the original post but I just wanted to say, SK Hunter, this website is awesome! Thanks for sharing it!

Your welcome....but keep in mind.....the real awesomeness lies in the creators of this website...the amount of hard work, and time it took to gather and sift and data enter all this information is incredible. They should be the ones receiving thanks. I am just a humble messenger

 

[Chanler]

Not if you drug the victims first.

My assumption is that all these victims were drug users or drug addicts. Offer a pipe laced with something, slip something into a drink, wait until they become incapacitated.

I have strong suspicions that SG was drugged due to her behaviour and disorientation, though whether that was for sexual purposes or as a prelude to murder, I couldn't say. But I do think she realized she had been drugged and that's why she said, "They're trying to kill me." No one pulled a knife on her, or tried to strangle her, and she just stuck around to wait for her driver. I think she was having a hard time figuring out exactly what had happened to her because her thought processes were impaired.

Again, MOO

Hi, Mountain Kat. Shannan Gilbert was a cocaine user and was bipolar. She didn't need to be drugged for sex; that's what she was at house. The owner of the house knew that her driver, who she had hired, was waiting for her. If she was just waiting for the driver, she could have called the driver. She didn't; the john did, odd behavior for some one intending to murder her. If Shannan thought that she had been drugged, she could have told the 911 operator, with whom she was on for nearly half an hour, but no one, including the mother who says that she heard the tape, has made any such claim.

 

[Chanler]

That comment made me recall something that I read earlier in these threads.

Somewhere it was stated that Shannan had deposited $900 into her bank account the night she disappeared and then went on her way to meet this john.

Very strange that this person's comment includes the exact amount of money.

Hi, Cleo612; according to the news story I read, that deposit was by one of the victims found in the Long Island killing fields, not Ms. Gilbert.

 

[SK_Hunter]

Thank you, I've booked marked the site and just to test it out I put in my county. LOL 1 murder by hammer only. I'm so secluded. LOL

LMAO!! Ive also felt the pain of an unexpected result!

 

[shadowraiths]

Wrt the doc. While his behavior is odd, I am extremely skeptical he's the perp, (or rather responsible for the murders). Imho, *if* he is in any way involved in this, he's protecting someone.

 

[Jackalow]

Just a thought and not sure it's been mentioned but if these missing girls were taken on a boat and placed there not from a car but a boat that may explain the time of year. Boat owners in the area, most anyway, dock their boat for the season and would only be using them in the spring/summer months. If its been said already I apologize just thinking.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Hi, Mountain Kat. Shannan Gilbert was a cocaine user and was bipolar. She didn't need to be drugged for sex; that's what she was at house. The owner of the house knew that her driver, who she had hired, was waiting for her. If she was just waiting for the driver, she could have called the driver. She didn't; the john did, odd behavior for some one intending to murder her. If Shannan thought that she had been drugged, she could have told the 911 operator, with whom she was on for nearly half an hour, but no one, including the mother who says that she heard the tape, has made any such claim.

Hi, Chanler. I guess I didn't make myself clear in my post. Agreed, SG was there of her own volition to have sex. What I was implying was that the sexual acts the client had in mind might not have been something SG would have consented to had she not been incapacitated.

I'm not saying she was drugged, just saying that, from accounts I've read and heard, her behaviour certainly appears to indicate that she may have been. Could her behaviour also be explained as a manic state of someone who was bi-polar? That's also a possibility. But I question why she thought someone was trying to kill her. What set THAT thought into her mind?

Anyway, just some thoughts.

 

[revampz]

I'm inclined to believe that also, Evelyn. I'm also having a difficult time envisioning just SG, JB, and Drifter constituting a "party". So, I'd really like to know if anyone else was at the house that night besides just these 3 people. Was the asian male in the SUV SG's driver, or was he a quest at this party? Was PH at this party? I don't know, but I sure would LIKE to. Because in my mind, I can't separate SG's disappearance from 1). this party, and 2). this gated community.

Hi guys....I am with you two. I think everyone is making this way more complicated than it really is. Way too many coincidences that this girl was advertised on craiglist, they know a lot of the others were prostitutes that were on craiglist, and she goes screaming from THIS house saying "they" were trying to kill her. I have said this before and I believe that Shannan was the one that got away.....at first....

It was someone or all at that party...........now do the police have the ABSOLUTE truth as to what went on and who was there that night??????

 

[SK_Hunter]

Once again, thanks for posting these links. Living on LI right now, I've been wondering more and more how statistically abnormal what is happening here right now might be (especially the idea of two killers dumping in the same stretch). Seems like that website might have some answers for me.

And once again, your welcome!!

At the same time you gave me a fantastic idea. I wonder if we could setup a separate forum\thread, in which we could share our results and research. Group research??? Second pair of eyes for confirmation?? MODS??? I also dont want this causing a distraction being off topic in this thread. But its so highly visible here!! haa.....I'd hate for it to be forgotten....just more thoughts...lol

 

[epiphany]

I think we need to DROP the DR. as a potential suspect. The specialist have already ruled him out. They know what/who they are looking for...

JB, the last known john with Shannan, isn't a suspect either:

Brewer, a former financial adviser, was questioned by cops and his rented house was searched by police - who then declared he was not a suspect.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local..._hooker_shannan_gilbert_confident_shes_s.html

Brewer has repeatedly denied any involvement, saying only his "prayers are with the families" of the dead women. Police have said he is not a suspect.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nd_man_partied_with_missing_li_hooker_LqvHfXICfjJH6uNATrrKmK

How about the drifter? Why haven't we seen his name? Perhaps, because his is the name Shannan provided during the 911 call. Maybe, Shannan's sister doesn't have the name-only the police do.

Could have been the guest who was chasing Shannan down in the vehicle. Perhaps, that why Shannan said "they" (though I don't think JB was involved)---thinking that because Shannan knew "the drifter with a penchant for strippers" was associated with JB and was there that evening, she incorrectly assumed that both were after her.

Why haven't we seen a sketch of the man in the car who was looking for Shannan? The "48-year-old drifter" may be in Georgia according to his Mama. He'd know the LI area if he has been a guest of JB's. May have even grown up there.

Perhaps, the drifter is on his way back and forth from the major transportation hubs of Manhattan during his visits to the LI. He stays for a short time in JB's area. Does JB own any rental property in the area? Why not let his drifter buddy crash at such a place during his visits? The drifter could be an old buddy-what do they have left in common-escorts and strippers, not finance and real estate chatter.

For all we know, the drifter buddy and JB have shared activities like this before---but, the drifter alone is the suspect, using JB's backyard as his graveyard, and LE knows this already:

The man, a 48-year-old drifter with a penchant for strippers, was staying at the Oak Beach summer home owned by businessman Joseph Brewer, the john who hired Gilbert in May 2010 and was also with her that night.

- ...telling one resident: "They're trying to kill me!"

- Cops would not say if they have questioned the second man.

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nd_man_partied_with_missing_li_hooker_LqvHfXICfjJH6uNATrrKmK

 

[Filly]

Now for a time Otis Toole (sp?) and Henry Lucas did pair up......and both were serial killers.

To this day it blows my mind that those two maniacs met on this face of this green earth and traveled together. Sleeps with the underage niece, murders boys, murders girls, gay, not gay, beat by the father, has no father. I mean them two.............

 

[snapdragon2]

Some SCPD insider forum, lots of info including why it took police so long to respond.

http://www.theschwartzreport.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18519&page=3&highlight=oak+beach

Wow. That's shocking. Shannon's family must be furious. I am.

 

[SK_Hunter]

No offense, but, you're new. Saying "trust me" to people who regularly try to suss out criminal types is... well, you get the idea.

As for the post, your approach came across more as an advertisement, considering that you just joined and had not even made 10 posts. And then there's your choice of nyms... seems like it's actually your site, as opposed to some "kewl" site you happened to have just "oopsed" upon.

In any event, nbd afaic. I checked out the site and the basic premise is decent. While the search leaves *a lot* to be desired, the gold-mine of data is impressive. Esp considering the site owner freely provides that data for download.

So, in summary? Thumbs up on the site. Thumbs down on the way you introduced it. ^_~

Uhhh....Your Welcome??? lol.....your opinion has been noted and I hope my subsequent posts have more endeared myself to you. But your right, "trust me" was totally lame!! haaa

ow and one more thing....you made the "free data" thing sound way to easy. Were prolly talking just under, a TB of data. Not an everyday download.

 

[epiphany]

That comment made me recall something that I read earlier in these threads.

Somewhere it was stated that Shannan had deposited $900 into her bank account the night she disappeared and then went on her way to meet this john.

Very strange that this person's comment includes the exact amount of money.

Hi Cleo!

I vaguely remember posting a link to your 900. bank deposit reference. Definitely was not Shannan who did that. I cannot recall which girl did, though. (Probably 300./hr for 3 hrs.)

 

[svpernin]

Hi Cleo!

I vaguely remember posting a link to your 900. bank deposit reference. Definitely was not Shannan who did that. I cannot recall which girl did, though. (Probably 300./hr for 3 hrs.)

I think I remember your link and I'm 90% sure they were talking about Melissa depositing that $900 that night.

 

[shadowraiths]

Hi Cleo!

I vaguely remember posting a link to your 900. bank deposit reference. Definitely was not Shannan who did that. I cannot recall which girl did, though. (Probably 300./hr for 3 hrs.)

That was Melissa Barthelemy. ( link )

On July 10 nearly two years ago, Ms. Barthelemy saw a client and then deposited $900 into her bank account, her mother said. That night she called an old boyfriend, but he did not pick up. Then she disappeared.​

 

[scandi]

And once again, your welcome!!

At the same time you gave me a fantastic idea. I wonder if we could setup a separate forum\thread, in which we could share our results and research. Group research??? Second pair of eyes for confirmation?? MODS??? I also dont want this causing a distraction being off topic in this thread. But its so highly visible here!! haa.....I'd hate for it to be forgotten....just more thoughts...lol

We'd have to ask Salem and it would be set up in the Parking Lot which is for members only.

X'lnt idea tho and I am sure there would be guidelines to go by. ;}