NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

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are you sure that's GC's house, I thought it was the one closest to the gate?

I was sure. :waitasec:

I want to say I am positive but like I said the maps are very different , I maped every address back in dec on the whole street to pinpoint the correct houses. I even counted the lots. I typed in his address which we know is 17 the fairway and bing puts it with my counting. Google does not.

So then I think all house number that are even are always on one side of the road and all that are odd are on the other so that farther coroborates that being his home.

I may be wrong but I dont believe so.
 
Interesting Gus makes interesting comments in the video, that after he called 911 she ran and spotted a car looking for her, she ran and hid under the boat (which was in his yard) Gus stopped the vehicle and asked the guy what are you doing?

The man said we were having a party at brewers house and the young girl got upset and left, the man said he was trying to find her and bring her back. Gus told the man he had called the police already and they were on the way.
All of the sudden she took off again and he (the man) took off after her. (Reporter) While you were still talking to him? (Gus) Yeah

(Gus) So I walked up to the gate up to the gatehouse, when they arrived I let them in and I told them the last they went that way.

Gus goes on to what he thinks may have happened to her but it's a good video to watch.

Anyone else feel like Gus's story keeps changing? I don't find him suspicious, but he's been talking to the media since the beginning and we get a new version every time. It's frustrating.

I wish he'd just taken Shannan into his house. That's what I'd want someone to do for me if I were in her situation, and maybe she'd be around today if he had.
 
Reposting this article with statments by the driver and the boyfriend of SG for reference.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/boyfriend_and_the_driver_of_sh.html

wm

PS. good morning all!

Morning WM and thanks, the driver has said this.

"He said drove around the gated community and outside the complex -- texting and calling her furiously on his cell phone -- before leaving the area 6 a.m. and believing that Gilbert would somehow make her way back to Jersey City."

Hrmmph, I'm stumped. Something has me curious from looking at maps and what Gus has said, he thought she slipped off a dock. I'm curious which direction she ran. Looking at maps, I see docks to the south and she would not have left the gated community to head that direction. See attached map.


oakbeach1.jpg
 
I was sure. :waitasec:

I want to say I am positive but like I said the maps are very different , I maped every address back in dec on the whole street to pinpoint the correct houses. I even counted the lots. I typed in his address which we know is 17 the fairway and bing puts it with my counting. Google does not.

So then I think all house number that are even are always on one side of the road and all that are odd are on the other so that farther coroborates that being his home.

I may be wrong but I dont believe so.

because if you watch his interview it shows his boat - and you can see his garage/boathouse and it matches up perfectly with the first house next to the gatehouse.
 
also, does anyone have PH's address that they can post? Thanks.
 
Can you map what you mean?

I maybe wrong but I did research and it all points to the map I posted being correct.
 
Can you map what you mean?

I maybe wrong but I did research and it all points to the map I posted being correct.

here it is on google: (hope the link works) I have it bass ackwards, A is 17 The Fairway and B is 8 The Fairway
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I don't think there has to be a religious element. Some SK's kills prostitutes simply because they are "easier" targets, easier to obtain, to get into their vehicles, and the time before they are reported missing is often longer.

I agree. And many are not reported missing because of their lifestyle. It's not that they are not loved or missed, it's usually that the family has been through so many ups and downs,especially if drugs are involved, that for their own emotional survival they need to sometimes disconnect. The pain and constant worry is too much.
 
I have PH's address as 47 Larboard Court. Can anyone confirm if this is correct or possibly add the correct address?

Thank you

Also, I am still looking for the woman's name and address who also saw SG.

Sorry, one more question - Did Coletti see SG before or after PH saw her?
 
So I thought JB is 8 the fairway, GC is 17 the fairway, and PH the address I have is for 47 Larboard Ct. Are these correct? And I am still searching for the female neighbor that also saw her...hopefully I'll find it.

I am beginning to formulate and cross reference map and routes SG took with 911 call activity and witness accounts...and if I am correct in my addresses, something major is missing.

I also think there is no way into or out Oak Beach Community unless its through a gated entry somewhere. And the report that she was headed toward Jones Beach, if true, makes sense to me in terms of the exact route I'm tracing

Your addresses are correct. :)
 
I have PH's address as 47 Larboard Court. Can anyone confirm if this is correct or possibly add the correct address?

Thank you

Also, I am still looking for the woman's name and address who also saw SG.

Sorry, one more question - Did Coletti see SG before or after PH saw her?

According to the one report where PH claims to have seen SG, he stated that he saw her running near Oak Beach. Look on google maps and you'll see that Oak Beach is some distance from the gated community, so if he did in fact see SG my assumption would be that he had to have seen her after Coletti saw her. This is according to HIS account, mind you. I don't neccesarily believe him. Interestingly enough, when I tried to find an office location for PH, google maps took me to Oak beach, near Galley W Rd. Which is interesting, since there appears to be a large white complex there that could well be offices. If this is the location of his office, it would certainly explain claims of seeing SG running down Oak Beach, since this is at Oak Beach.

The address given for him elsewhere is 4427 Oak Beach Assn Babylon, NY. There IS no such address, although, there is an address for 4427 Oak Beach Rd in the gated community. Appears to be a house to me, but could be an office I suppose.

I don't know what to make of the addresses to be honest.
 
Could we please please please take the stuff that's just about Shannon (or Shannan? Do we have a definitive answer on how her name is spelled?) to Shannon's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122841&highlight=shannon+gilbert

This thread is getting so cluttered with Shannon stuff that it's all but impossible to find the latest information about the unidentified bodies, case progress, and so forth.

There's some excellent information in that thread already, including some very nice maps of the area that Shutterfly marked up for us.
 
Wait...it just occurred to me that perhaps 4427 Oak Beach Rd. is owned by the Oak Beach Civic Association. I don't have the first clue how to do a property search, but I'll give it a shot. If anyone else checks into this and discovers something, let me know.
 
Could we please please please take the stuff that's just about Shannon (or Shannan? Do we have a definitive answer on how her name is spelled?) to Shannon's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122841&highlight=shannon+gilbert

This thread is getting so cluttered with Shannon stuff that it's all but impossible to find the latest information about the unidentified bodies, case progress, and so forth.

There's some excellent information in that thread already, including some very nice maps of the area that Shutterfly marked up for us.

Sorry, Carbuff. I didn't know there was a thread for SG. I'll post over there from now on, but honestly, it is hard to keep the 2 separated.
 
I dont understand. The numbers on the house make no sence at all. Even and odd are mixed up. up and down the street. even is alwys on the opposite side on the street but the 17 address is on the same side on the map as 8. Dont want to think Gus lives somewhere else but Bing has him across from JB and the house numbers make sence. As would Shannans direction of travel. It would also explain the dock drowning theory.

Can someone explain why this is?
 
Reposting this article with statments by the driver and the boyfriend of SG for reference.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/boyfriend_and_the_driver_of_sh.html

wm

PS. good morning all!

Thank you wm!

According the article, the driver said (BBM):

"He said he spent three hours in his SUV outside the gated community, playing poker over the Internet and sleeping, when Gilbert's client phoned him at about 5 a.m., saying Gilbert was refusing to leave the house."
 
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/boyfriend_and_the_driver_of_sh.html

The New York driver, who requested his name not be used, said he dropped off Gilbert to the home of a client in Oak Beach at about 2 a.m. on May 1. Gilbert's price: $250 an hour, the driver said.

He said he spent three hours in his SUV outside the gated community, playing poker over the Internet and sleeping, when Gilbert's client phoned him at about 5 a.m., saying Gilbert was refusing to leave the house.

Why? Why was she refusing to leave the house if she was so afraid they were trying to kill her? Did she not want to walk back to the gate where the driver was parked for fear of being followed by the drifter or another party guest.

The driver said he drove back to the client's house and found Gilbert, who was clothed, in the living room on the phone with a 911 operator, saying that a man was after her.

"I said 'Shannon, Get a grip. Let's go,' and she said, 'You guys are trying to kill me.' So I said, 'OK, I am leaving.' But then she said, 'Don't go.'"

Gilbert eventually ran from the house, the driver said. The driver said he ran after Gilbert, who is bipolar and has a history of cocaine abuse, but then lost track.

He said drove around the gated community and outside the complex -- texting and calling her furiously on his cell phone -- before leaving the area 6 a.m. and believing that Gilbert would somehow make her way back to Jersey City.



Why did Shannan suddenly run from the house after the driver arrived? One minute she was speaking to 911 fully clothed saying a man was after her, then she is described as being irrational while running door to door for help.

Here is my theory FWIW!
It sounds like Shannan disappeared between 5 and 6 am. the sky is gettin lighter outside with every minute. She is running around the neighborhood drawing attention to her plight and had already been on the line with 911. 3 neighbors encountered or saw her...GC, the unidentified lady, and the Dr. The johns have to perform due diligence to get rid of any drugs, adult toys or other evidence that could cause them problems when the police arrive. The driver is sent to fetch Shannan and sees her at the DR.s house before he apprehends her and delivers her back to the johns house where he tells the johns where he finally found her. The driver is told to leave and they will sober her up and arrange for her to return home. After driver leaves, Drifter takes off with Shannan in tow before the cops arrive.

I think the johns arranged for 'Shannan's Driver' but had no idea that the driver met Shannan's bf when he picked her up. The driver doesn't know what really happened to Shannan, prolly just a college kid who drives for a few clients to make a buck, and after all he has been employeed by the john previously and trusts him. So he agrees to go with the bf to search for Shannan which causes further complications for the johns.

So the johns need to implicate someone else and since Driver saw her near the Doc's house, one of the john's who is a neighbor of Doc makes the call to Shannan's mom posing as the Dr. as he still has her cell phone and retrieves the number.(I stated early on in this case that I think the killer is a poser)

In the meantime, Drifter man calls his mum to tip her off stating he is in GA and not to be surprised if she sees his name in the news. (GA is prolly NOT where he is at all) But he took Shannan along with him to dispose of her along the way. i sure hope LE and FBI are searching for this drifter. If he only comes to LI around holidays, and orders strippers/escorts (*I use the word strippers becasue of someone I knew who would brag about ordering 'strippers' to his home. He would order them thru escort services.) how would anyone know or suspect him as a SK because the women use alias'.

I hope this all makes sense. Ok everybody, tear this theory apart! I am going to do real life stuff but will be checking in.

MOO
wm :)

ETA I think Shannan was afraid of the driver because he really wasn't HER driver, but he had driven her on previous visits to jb's. She saw him as JB's employee...MOO
 
Thank you wm!

According the article, the driver said (BBM):

"He said he spent three hours in his SUV outside the gated community, playing poker over the Internet and sleeping, when Gilbert's client phoned him at about 5 a.m., saying Gilbert was refusing to leave the house."

The exact time for Shannon 911 was mentioned by her sister on the blog radio interveiw. I believe that link is in the media thread.
 
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