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anyone know of any missing men in the area?
 
epiphany said:
Doctor's wife speaks out on tape:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/long-island-serial-killer-manhunt-13372385

I'm not sure the doc even saw her that morning. I lost a link that gave me that impression. Looking for it.
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Sorry to quote my own post, but wanted to keep together.

At link, a tape where the doc states:

Doc: "I never saw Shannan Gilbert..."
Never heard her name until about a week after she was reported missing.

Dormer: ...pretty much debunked...Homicide task force is going to check with the Gilbert family to follow up on that.

http://news12.com/news/article.jsp?articleId=269029&rand=3554641
 
I think there are "after parties" that the sk(s) had. I agree with someone else who posted here, it's at least a two-person operation.

I did go over to the Missing thread for SG--it's the 2 page thread? It's a little difficult to shift over there at this point now that the momentum has built on this thread.

What more is known about the driver? I also am fearing that this guy has transported other call girls out there, being one in the sk team. I've been asking about the drifter forever. I have thought and do agree with some of you that he is the other one in the sk team.

The "drifter" could have let the "driver" into the gate. Maybe the drifter told SG that the driver wasn't really "just a driver" that he was in on what was scheduled next, which he probably hinted being the end of her. So she calls 911. Then when the driver arrives, she knows he's arrived for their "after party." So she tells 911 that they are trying to kill her. In the meantime, some of you have said that there is the sound of a vehicle door opening in the background noise. When she breaks free from these two is questionable. She could have broken free then, or since Coletti's house is so far from JB's, she could have been able to escape the vehicle at some point on it's way out of the gate. In the meantime, one of the perps. runs after her, hunting her, while the other one positions the vehicle somewhere, perhaps even outside the gates and waits. She is captured and once again forced into the vehicle. They take off.
 
epiphany said:
Sorry to quote my own post, but wanted to keep together.

At link, a tape where the doc states:

Doc: "I never saw Shannan Gilbert..."
Never heard her name until about a week after she was reported missing.

Dormer: ...pretty much debunked...Homicide task force is going to check with the Gilbert family to follow up on that.

http://news12.com/news/article.jsp?articleId=269029&rand=3554641
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These witnesses and statements are getting more ridiculous with each day...Is he saying he never saw SG or never saw a woman that morning? And he never heard of SG until a week later? Then where in the hell did the police and press get his name and the idea that he saw her?

Whatever happened that night behind those gates and the people who may or not be involved is getting more and more convoluted. It just seems like some of these people are acting like this whole case is about it being a nuisance to them, not a serial killer
 
I went back three pages and didn't see this article posted anywhere:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/14/new.york.bodies/index.html?hpt=T2

Body Hunt Expanded: With Video (Interview with Gus Coletti who saw Shannon)

Aviation teams that flew over the area "identified a significant number of items that aren't natural for the area," Acting Police Commissioner Thomas Krumpter said at a news conference. Investigators will be "clarifying what the actual items are."

"Basically they're looking for anything that nature hasn't deposited there," said Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano

...Airplanes and helicopters with high-resolution technology are being used, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer explained Wednesday. "We're hoping the technology will help identify skeletal remains that may still be out there." Police are also using dog-search units, and diver teams are scouring the waterways on the north side of the barrier island.

More at Link

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concentric said:
I think there are "after parties" that the sk(s) had. I agree with someone else who posted here, it's at least a two-person operation.

I did go over to the Missing thread for SG--it's the 2 page thread? It's a little difficult to shift over there at this point now that the momentum has built on this thread.

What more is known about the driver? I also am fearing that this guy has transported other call girls out there, being one in the sk team. I've been asking about the drifter forever. I have thought and do agree with some of you that he is the other one in the sk team.

The "drifter" could have let the "driver" into the gate. Maybe the drifter told SG that the driver wasn't really "just a driver" that he was in on what was scheduled next, which he probably hinted being the end of her. So she calls 911. Then when the driver arrives, she knows he's arrived for their "after party." So she tells 911 that they are trying to kill her. In the meantime, some of you have said that there is the sound of a vehicle door opening in the background noise. When she breaks free from these two is questionable. She could have broken free then, or since Coletti's house is so far from JB's, she could have been able to escape the vehicle at some point on it's way out of the gate. In the meantime, one of the perps. runs after her, hunting her, while the other one positions the vehicle somewhere, perhaps even outside the gates and waits. She is captured and once again forced into the vehicle. They take off.
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The only thing I disagree with is that the fact the driver, whoever it may be, would be aligned and worked with SG. An escort doing outcall services typically always uses a driver and would almost never get into a car with someone who was sent by the john. Usually escort services and independent escorts have their own drivers, someone that they pay to drive and provide protection if necessary.

But I do agree the drifter has been largely ignored by media, hopefully not by LE. And he is a major, major component to this case
 
minazoe said:
I think part of the thing is, there doesn't appear to be any evidence linking any of these other girls to this area or the housing development...just the one that was in LI before she died in AC ...is that right?

when they say items that might connect AC and LI...I wonder if it's a type of ligature knot.....weren't two bodies found with a ligature?
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Hi minazoe! Amber Costello lived on LI but was originally from Wilmington, NC. The woman you are thinking of is Kim Raffo who allegedly spent 5 weeks on LI with her estranged husband before hopping a bus to AC. IIRC one woman found in AC had a ligature around her neck and one one found on LI was described as having an object (or something like that) around her neck.

Today I am reading that 2 LI victims were found with ligatures around their necks.

My question: Is LE releasing this information regarding ligatures to alert tipsters/escorts who may have been drugged or choked while turning a trick to come forward?

Sorry no links. this thread is moving too fast for me to keep up...

wm
 
Just on the VIEW show, lawyer said this is a regular 'dumping grounds'
many bodies my not be connected..........like toddler boy.
Might be more than 1 case here.
 
NJGuy said:
These witnesses and statements are getting more ridiculous with each day...Is he saying he never saw SG or never saw a woman that morning? And he never heard of SG until a week later? Then where in the hell did the police and press get his name and the idea that he saw her?

Whatever happened that night behind those gates and the people who may or not be involved is getting more and more convoluted. It just seems like some of these people are acting like this whole case is about it being a nuisance to them, not a serial killer
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The dr's wife seems very arrogant and condescending, as if their word is all that is needed to dismiss the mother's story as nothing but lies. How many times have we heard POI's and suspects say the investigation needs to be turned away from them and toward the victim when they are the last people to have seen the victim alive. Makes no sense whatsoever. The doctor in this video seems to be hiding behind his wife, letting her take care of the pesky reporters.
 
NJGuy said:
These witnesses and statements are getting more ridiculous with each day...Is he saying he never saw SG or never saw a woman that morning? And he never heard of SG until a week later? Then where in the hell did the police and press get his name and the idea that he saw her?

Whatever happened that night behind those gates and the people who may or not be involved is getting more and more convoluted. It just seems like some of these people are acting like this whole case is about it being a nuisance to them, not a serial killer
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The doc's wife speculates that Shannan's sister may have gotten her husband's name when/because she knocked on nearly every door when she came to the community to investigate her sister's disappearance. It appears to me, now, that the doc did Not see Shannan that morning. As others have speculated, the SK called Shannan's mother and may never have given her mother his name. (I came across an article which confirmed for me that the call to S's mom came from Shannan's cell. Either I had never read the article before, or with so much info, could not recall it was from S's cell.) Shannan's sister may have asked the residents, "Are there any doctors living here?" "What's his name?" And the rest, we know.

I think that is why Dormer said at the conference (in addition to "debunked," "been very cooperative," "not a suspect" - that they would speak to the Gilbert family to follow-up. Perhaps, to provide the Gilbert family with a smidgeon of info to set the record straight re the doc.
 
epiphany said:
The doc's wife speculates that Shannan's sister may have gotten her husband's name when/because she knocked on nearly every door when she came to the community to investigate her sister's disappearance. It appears to me, now, that the doc did Not see Shannan that morning. As others have speculated, the SK called Shannan's mother and may never have given her mother his name. (I came across an article which confirmed for me that the call to S's mom came from Shannan's cell. Either I had never read the article before, or with so much info, could not recall it was from S's cell.) Shannan's sister may have asked the residents, "Are there any doctors living here?" "What's his name?" And the rest, we know. I think that is why Dormer said at the conference (in addition to "debunked," "been very cooperative," "not a suspect" - that they would speak to the Gilbert family to follow-up.
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I think that you're probably accurate and correct. Which would fit in with what I constructed myself as her route when she was running. Never seemed to fit that she ended up near Dr.'s house or other properties.

Do you have the link that said the call came from Shannan's phone? Either way, I am inclined to believe your line of thinking.

Also, on the chat, the reporter stated JB was the only person in the house when SG arrived. Which means she did not know other people would be showing up, specifically the drifter. Something is not right with all this
 
Here are some very specific details:

Ten orange, blue and yellow arrows are now painted on the pavement of Ocean Parkway, pointing to thick brush that stretches to the bay, four of them now faded since the bodies of Megan Waterman, 22, Melissa Barthelemy, 24, Amber Lynn Costello, 27, and Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, were found near Gilgo Beach in December.

These four women are so far the only victims of a possible serial killer to be identified. As four more victims were uncovered in Suffolk County in the past two weeks, the search continued into Nassau this week and new details have come to light: Waterman, Brainard-Barnes, Costello and Barthelemy were strangled or smothered and reportedly wrapped in burlap.

A pair of partial skeletal remains found this week in Nassau County are incomplete, showing signs of mutilation and dismemberment. What appear to be legs were found near a construction site across from the future Trump on the Ocean property.

A skull was found alone near Tobay Beach and the skeletal remains were found stuffed in plastic garbage bags. One of the four bodies found last week is reportedly that of a child—although police have declined to discuss much of these details.


http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/14/long-island-serial-killer-beach-bodies/
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how the frickity frack---...do we confuse talking to someone at their door ...with a telephone call about an overnight stay in a home rehab center?
 
I haven't seen the maps or routes. Will have to check prior posts.
 
A direct quote from the reporter:

"AS: By all accounts, there was no party. It was Brewer and Gilbert in the home. Like I said earlier, this case has started a lot of rumors, and a lot of speculation."

So is he saying that police have mentioned there was no "drifter" or any one else in the house at all that night? Or did the reporter learn this through his own investigation?
 
Wondergirl said:
Here are some very specific details:
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A lot of sensationalism being used by the media! Claiming one of the bodies was found "across fromt he Trump on the Ocean construction site". Based on the Newsday map and other accounts, it wasn't found anywhere near the Trump on the Ocean construction site!
 
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