NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[Columbo]

Columbo;

The "Shanon " you mentioned earlier seems to want to get some info out there. You wanna' post to that link you had that she can call the FBI or write anonymously, since they are involved now? She needs to include the city, state, and case name. Just a thought, that post is begging for someone to respond.

It is begging for a response. I didn't realize I could do that, but I did email the newspaper and tell them about it. I don't know how far that is going to get, though. I thought maybe they would forward it on to the FBI or LE but maybe I should do that myself? (As well as respond to her comment. )

Edited to add: I just checked and there is no way of responding to her comment at the NY Daily News site unless I just post a comment of my own and address it to "Shanan". I wonder if she would even see it? Might be worth a try, I guess.

 

[Hobnob]

~The specialists (police/fbi/profilers) are being extremely tight lipped on this (potentially) high-profile case. Why? Do they feel that the media attention will fuel the SK? Are they denying the SK any public attention for a reason? Do they want to hold back all information to secure any public up-roar?

On that note...
~I have the utmost appreciation and respect for these officers. They are handling this case with great professionalism. I don’t think it is our place to judge when, where, and how they are conduction their jobs as long as they are moving forward. Of course we all want to know more. It's like reading a great book. None of us want to be spoon-fed the chapters, we want to blaze through them, right. Well, in this case...we might as well enjoy the slow journey because it's going to be a bumpy ride. Thank you ALL for your incredible insight! I cant get enough of it! xo

 

[chemcopout]

I don't think the doctor is responsible for SG's disappearance or the SK.

Btw, I had no idea Rifkin dumped in threes, because in that documentary I posted earlier he disposed of the victims all over and even in the water one at a time.

i agree with you about the doctor i don't think he's responsible either.

i read about him dumping in 3's in another documentary when i remember the link i'll post it

 

[justcuri]

some of the locals likely know more than le will let them say. it would jeopardize the case. it also could be why the drivers name wasnt released is if he's a possible witness.
same with that 911 call, shannan names the killer who was after her

with the fbi on the case i feel better. its likely they've had a suspect they are watching for awhile now and just keeping those cards tight to their chest.

if the suspect has money, he'll get a good lawyer so they need as much as they can get for a solid case.

Right on... There is more known than LE and locals are saying, otherwise we wouldn't be watching divers in the water right now.

 

[Peliman]

I happen to be be very familiar with these beaches if you have any questions. (Im Not very familiar with the communities, themselves though.)

Soo,
~Im curious why they are searching the water baring areas of the beach. Hmm?

Personally speaking, I don't think the water search is for bodies. I believe they would have washed up on the beaches long ago or evidence of such.

If anything it would be for material evidence, weighted clothing, burlap, evidence that may lead them to a suspect.

 

[fashionella]

at the press conference the PC said they received over 600 tips called in. Let's hope one of them was a girl who got away.....I think this guy is toast, that's a lot of tips

 

[Hobnob]

I think we need to DROP the DR. as a potential suspect. The specialist have already ruled him out. They know what/who they are looking for...

 

[evelyn24]

i agree with you about the doctor i don't think he's responsible either.

i read about him dumping in 3's in another documentary when i remember the link i'll post it

Thank you.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It is really hard to say what each serial killer who targets prostitutes will do. They are as varying as other humans are.

However some things seem to be consistent though.

They are usually a white male between the ages of 25-35. May be older when and if they are caught but most likely started murdering around this age.

Some will pick an area very familiar to them. Some can revisit where they placed the bodies if they have remained undetected.

Some will stay in the area and never leave but others are more nomadic and will kill multiple victims and then move on out of town to another city or state.

From what I have read the serial killer almost always has a seething hatred toward their mother. The mother was known to be cruel, controlling, domineering, and very abusive. Some will be prostitutes themselves or highly promiscuous women who often brought strange men into their homes and will have sex in front of the SK while he is a child growing up and have even been known to make the SK as a child participate.

I have also read that to the serial killer when they murder they see themselves murdering their own mother in their minds. Women disgust them and have little or no value. Their victims are good for only two things. Forced torturous sadist rape and killing them. That is why many times the victims will resemble the mother when she was that age. The age of the victims correlates to the mothers at the time that the abuses were at their worst for the serial killer when he was a child.

In the US the FBI says we have about 50 serial killers a year. They are very hard to catch.....obviously. That is why multiple victims lose their lives because there is no link between him and the victim. To catch a SK he finally has to make a mistake leaving something that can be traced back to him.

I am not sure LE is that far along yet.

Of course there are variables in everything but I really do believe this SK will fit the profile if and when he is ever caught.

IMO

 

[evelyn24]

Joel Rifkin had issues with his father not his mom.

 

[Lera213]

Here is the thing with me. This SK is surrounded by water, why not dump the bodies in water or if they live there use a boat, why bury them?

My gut still keeps telling me that the reason this SK is killing is not only for the whatever pleasure he gets from it but he really likes the cat and mouse game with police more!

I wonder since so much has been written about serial killers, and with the TV show Dexter, would this SK who is wiser, more educated, socially accepted in his community, actually have a MO that copies other SK's MO? I mean I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some victims died of strangulation, dismemberment, sexually mutilated to name a few.

I see this guy as been doing this for years. Someone else mentioned that their gut told them it was an older man. I tend to agree, that this SK is at least in his early 40's of not late 40's.

That data base is all and good, If I knew how to search multiple states at once for a particular MO and of course we do not know this SK MO yet at all.

I wouldn't be surprised that he lives along, and how he is able to stay connected and enjoy his cat and mouse game is via blogs, media outlets but he knows to keep his distance knowing the police will know he is eager to learn more. Yeah this killer is very sophisticated

 

[WillenFan21]

Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell
New twists in the Long Island serial killer case! Cops now say that along with several female prostitutes, one set of remains is actually male! Did this psychopath change his M.O.? Or is there more than one killer? We’ve got all the details tonight!

http://www.facebook.com/JaneVelezMitchellHLN/posts/10150560023165693

 

[Hobnob]

Right? It's odd, I think. Unless it has something to do with the tides. Maybe back a couple of years the beach was less eroded? They did find the last bones ON the beach..

 

[svpernin]

I think we need to DROP the DR. as a potential suspect. The specialist have already ruled him out. They know what/who they are looking for...

I agree about dropping him as a suspect at this point, but I do NOT think we should discount the story about the phone call. I think, at the very least, someone claiming to be A doctor called SG's mom. I don't think her family is making that up.

(I said A doctor because it's possible the names got confused but Dr. H does live in the neighorhood so I think it's more likely someone named him specifically)

 

[Lera213]

It is begging for a response. I didn't realize I could do that, but I did email the newspaper and tell them about it. I don't know how far that is going to get, though. I thought maybe they would forward it on to the FBI or LE but maybe I should do that myself? (As well as respond to her comment. )

Edited to add: I just checked and there is no way of responding to her comment at the NY Daily News site unless I just post a comment of my own and address it to "Shanan". I wonder if she would even see it? Might be worth a try, I guess.

I doubt it but it could be the SK playing his game too. Don't know how he could use a computer that is untraceable unless he stole a laptop and used wifi.

 

[Hobnob]

I like your psychological perspective… it’s interesting and true. But, killers are human and ALL humans a different. xo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Joel Rifkin had issues with his father not his mom.

There are variables in everthing but most often it is some type of love/hate relationship with the mother..

One chilling pattern that emerges about serial killers in general is the number of them reported to have been the children of prostitutes. Henry Lee Lucas, one of this century's most infamous serial killers, apparently started his rampage with the rape and killing of his own mother, a prostitute.

Robert K. Ressler
(Louis Myrie/LMI)
"It's part of the profile," former FBI profiler Robert Ressler once said. "Serial killers very often have obsessions of some kind with their mothers. A love-hate relationship, in popular language. These moms usually aren't candidates for mother of the year, although they aren't necessarily abusive either. The common thread seems to be the sexual element, mothers who were very seductive, who had many sex partners of which the son was aware. Of course, the children of prostitutes are more likely to be exposed to this type of behavior."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/pedro_lopez/5.html

 

[Hobnob]

Quoting myself from before: "I am starting to hear chatter of a possible 2two SK'ers working together. A dominant and subsurviant. This would make sense why there are two different MO's. One is strangling and the other is dismembering."

~One must assume, this MALE got in the way or was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

 

[Lera213]

The FBI has a firm grasp and are aware of all sought out Serial Killers from all counties in the USA. Since they have all that information I'm wondering if something about this case is very important to them. What if something like the FBI has been looking for this guy a long time, other cases like this across the USA. Or What if this SK sent the FBI letters but FBI didn't have anything to go on, and now this pops up? I mean for the FBI to be closely connected tells me that this sk has peeked their interest really bad. Perhaps it is a LE or past LE guy. All this really is speculation but just wow, look where all of our brains are heading.

Cannot help to think that this SK while enjoyed his kill, is probably now getting an even bigger high on the publicity it is getting. I suppose that is why the FBI is hush hush, they know this too and do not want to fan his ego.

 

[cluciano63]

Of course, only the serial killers who have been caught can be analyzed, and they may not always tell the truth, they might "mess" with the detectives and psychologists. Maybe most of the ones who have been caught are white males of a certain age, as that is the profile that FBI always comes up with. But the man in Washington State (Spokane) was an older, (50's) professional man, married with 5 kids, who was killing all the prostitutes out there...so we won't know until/unless we know.

Also 600 tips is not that many...Portland claims to have had over 3000 early on, for Kyron, and still no news on his whereabouts or what happened to him...