NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[susan1122]

Right. And he called a few times a week over the course of several weeks. So apparently, he's NOT much of a stickler about only using throwaway phones.

Yeah, I agree. As others have mentioned, I wonder if MB did something that pissed him off. Because he didn't call families of the 3 other identified victims. Although maybe they didn't have phones w/ personal numbers on them?

 

[Seaslug44]

Hmmm... until now, I was convinced that the person who killed SG was most certainly one of the men she "partied" with that evening, because the idea that she just happened to randomly run into a serial killer seemed too coincidental -- but we KNOW the SK, whoever he is, has spent an awful lot of time roaming along that highway, probably in the wee hours of the morning, burying bodies and scouting out locations.

What would a SK do if he was interrupted while dumping a body? Kill the interrupter and get out of there, and bury her somewhere else.

The longer I look at this case, the less I'm sure of!

OMG. I was thinking this too. Just re-reading the recent posts and saw that you thought this too. Let's assume that the theory that this maniac might be one of those crazy BDSM freaks who takes role playing to the next level and actually takes woman hostage keeping his victims alive for some period of time to torture and play with in his own sadistic way. If she stumbled upon him while he was in the process of burying a body it's very likely he would have knocked her out but not killed her (so he could take her home or to his hide out to be his next sex slave).

Poor girl. She probably was in the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time. Sick thing is, she might still be alive. How many times do these sickos surface in the news where there is a happy ending for the family of the missing victim because the victim is still alive!

 

[ThoughtFox]

I don't see this as any kind of organized crime hit. They would bury the bodies. My goodness - the ocean is right there! Concrete shoes anyone?

Pat Brown the profiler has been on Nancy Grace talking about this person and made a couple of good points that I happen to agree with.

• He's Local and comfortable in the area.
  
• Once he dumped the first body, he knew he could get away with murder again.
  
• It's not several people doing the murders, but just one, since all the bodies are on the same side of the road.
  
• The burlap bags are a good clue if they can be traced - could be a landscaper who has them in his truck all the time, a nursery grower, or a farmer.
  
• He's probably not that smart, just lucky so far.
  
• He's probably a nasty person to deal with and someone probably has noticed that about him.
  
• He's probably addicted to strange *advertiser censored* and Craig's List.
  
• The fact that the bodies have no shoes or jewelry means he is keeping mementos from the victims.

 

[Redbird]

Yeah, I agree. As others have mentioned, I wonder if MB did something that pissed him off. Because he didn't call families of the 3 other identified victims. Although maybe they didn't have phones w/ personal numbers on them?

I think he stopped calling family members because it was published in the press and he hadn't expected that. I think that made him too paranoid to do that again. Which would show that he does have some control over his compulsions.

 

[Seaslug44]

When I found your website and this discussion I read how some of you are obsessed with this SK story. I remember wondering how that is possible. Well folks, you (and this case) managed to get me hooked too! So being incredibly internet savvy, I started doing a little snooping around and look what I found-

[ame="http://utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42531"]4 bodies found on LI, 2 could be CL girls - UtopiaGuide[/ame]

Apparently the local Long Island Johns (who call themselves "hobbyists"???) have been discussing this case on on of their gathering websites too.

 

[T-Rex]

There's something weird going on (besides the obvious). Shannan was probably the victim of a serial killer who targeted prostitutes--but she disappeared AFTER a job, not during it. Same with Maureen Brainard-Barnes. ("Maureen Brainard-Barnes got the train from Connecticut to Long Island with friends on July 9 2007. That night she called a friend from the New York Port Authority Bus Terminal. She was upset and said she had been robbed of the money that she earned that day. She told her friend she was coming home. She never made it.") http://tinyurl.com/6g9ksbo

SO, how did the killer recognize that they were prostitutes? I know there are phone apps that let you search for available singles, and tell you how close they are. (Grindr is one. Tonight some friends went on it, while we were in a bar, and saw profiles of other guys in the bar.) I wonder if there is an application like that, or a code listing, for prostitutes.

 

[txsvicki]

About the phone call: I thought PH pretty much admitted that he made the call, but didn't admit to saying that Shannon had stayed the night at his home? I wonder why Shannon's sister doesn't necessarily believe it was PH. If his voice sounds different than the caller, that can't be a reliable thing to go by since people can change their voice. Whoever called, he had to know about the Dr., had a reason for not wanting Shannon turned in missing, and wanted to point the family away from the beach area for awhile.

 

[shadowraiths]

Yeah, I agree. As others have mentioned, I wonder if MB did something that pissed him off. Because he didn't call families of the 3 other identified victims. Although maybe they didn't have phones w/ personal numbers on them?

I think it is important to remember that MB is a victim, here. As for calling the little sister. Contacting victim's family members, whether to rail at them, taunt them, or even offer condolences, is a hallmark of the sort of sadistic mindset of this type of predator. Albert Fish actually wrote the family of a 6 year old that he cannibalized to tell them how "tasty" she was. All things considered, it's horrifying. But above all, what the perp chooses to do is not the victim's fault.

 

[Ama11]

I'd like to know how well JB and PH knew each other.

 

[Sillybilly]

There's something weird going on (besides the obvious). Shannan was probably the victim of a serial killer who targeted prostitutes--but she disappeared AFTER a job, not during it.

<rsbm>

I dunno T-Rex ... I'm under the impression that Shannon's job was only interrupted by whatever was taking place that prompted her to call 911. She didn't end the evening, collect her earnings, call her driver, wave TaTa and get chauffeured away.

Anyone know if JB's house was known as a regular party house? Surely this couldn't be his one and only foray into hiring girls.

 

[MsFacetious]

Many have speculated, why did he call Melissa's family but not the others? What was different about HER?

When they say I wonder if Melissa "did something"... they are not insulting her or implying she did something wrong.

They are generally referring to Melissa fighting back... or being more difficult, more feisty, more tenacious. A compliment, quite frankly. Kind of like Rifkin's victim that broke all ten of her nails on his face, or the one that snapped off the gear shift on his car.

Did Melissa do something to try and save her life, that really made him extra angry? Or was he just able to find the phone number for her and not the others?

I think it is important to remember that MB is a victim, here. As for calling the little sister. Contacting victim's family members, whether to rail at them, taunt them, or even offer condolences, is a hallmark of the sort of sadistic mindset of this type of predator. Albert Fish actually wrote the family of a 6 year old that he cannibalized to tell them how "tasty" she was. All things considered, it's horrifying. But above all, what the perp chooses to do is not the victim's fault.

 

[Secret77]

Many have speculated, why did he call her family but not the others? What was different about HER?

You are not only assuming the SG was killed, you are assuming that she was killed by the same SK that killed the 4 victims.

There is really no real evidence to support those assumptions.
As the last person who saw SG alive, Mr. Coletti said, she could have just drowned.

As a matter of fact, the MO of the SK is totally inconsistent with the way SG was hired. Having SG's driver deliver her to the John's home is not something a SK will do.
If JB & co. had wanted to kill SG, they had 3 entire hours to do it, then what would they do with her driver, who was standing outside waiting for her?
It just makes no sense.

Her refusal to leave with her own driver, someone she knew and trusted is entirely her own doing, and nobody elses. We don't know what kind of drugs she was on and what she was really thinking.
From the testimony of everyone who last saw her, SG was delusional, irrational and probably was hallucinating.

 

[MsFacetious]

We were not referring to Shannan. I am not assuming anything. I do not have an opinion on Shannan's fate. I have said several times I do not believe a serial killer would have let her call 911 or leave the house.

My post and the post I quoted referred to MB (Melissa Barthelemy):

"Did MB do something to try and save her life, that really made him extra angry? Or was he just able to find the phone number for her and not the others?"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/10/phone-young-teen-biggest-lead-search-long-island-killer/

You are not only assuming the SG was killed, you are assuming that she was killed by the same SK that killed the 4 victims.

There is really no real evidence to support those assumptions.
As the last person who saw SG alive said, she could have just drowned.

As a matter of fact, the MO of the SK is totally inconsistent with the way SG was hired. Having SG's driver deliver her to the John's home is not something a SK will do.
If JB & co. had wanted to kill SG, they had 3 entire hours to do it, then what would they do with her driver, who was standing outside waiting for her?
It just makes no sense.

Her refusal to leave with her own driver, someone she knew and trusted is entirely her own doing, and nobody elses. We don't know what kind of drugs she was on and what she was really thinking.
From the testimony of everyone who last saw her, SG was delusional, irrational and probably was hallucinating.

 

[shadowraiths]

You are not only assuming the SG was killed, you are assuming that she was killed by the same SK that killed the 4 victims.

Fyi, and fwiw, we're not discussing SG. We're discussing MB (who *was* murdered) and speculating what compelled whom most feel is her killer to call her little sister once a week for six weeks. ( link ) As for why he called? I agree, there is something that differentiated this victim from the others. After all, as far as we know, she is the only victim whose family was called.

 

[shadowraiths]

As a matter of fact, the MO of the SK is totally inconsistent with the way SG was hired. Having SG's driver deliver her to the John's home is not something a SK will do.

Orly?

 

[Secret77]

We were not referring to Shannan. I am not assuming anything. I do not have an opinion on Shannan's fate. I have said several times I do not believe a serial killer would have let her call 911 or leave the house.

My post and the post I quoted referred to MB:

"Did MB do something to try and save her life, that really made him extra angry? Or was he just able to find the phone number for her and not the others?"

Sorry for not understanding your post, I've seen some people here put forward theories about the SK killing SG and calling her mom passing himself as the doctor.

I think it is obvious the SK knew MB (and the other 3 victims) and took her phone to call her family to inflict even more pain and to show LE, he is in control and not afraid of getting caught.

All four victims were carefully chosen, so they wouldn't leave a trace.. they weren't afraid at all, this is why they never gave any details of whom they were meeting, because they were probably meeting someone they already knew. The SK had their trust.

It is no coincidence LE has profiled the SK as someone social, with above high intelligence, unlike the AC SK who has an opposite profile, which makes me believe the killings are probably not related...
then again, depending on the SK's intelligence, he could do things to confuse the profilers.

 

[Filly]

Her refusal to leave with her own driver, someone she knew and trusted is entirely her own doing, and nobody elses. We don't know what kind of drugs she was on and what she was really thinking.
From the testimony of everyone who last saw her, SG was delusional, irrational and probably was hallucinating.

Wet would absolutely, positively cause a person to act like that.

 

[internetgirl101]

Another map..

 

[Sillybilly]

You are not only assuming the SG was killed, you are assuming that she was killed by the same SK that killed the 4 victims.

There is really no real evidence to support those assumptions.
As the last person who saw SG alive, Mr. Coletti said, she could have just drowned.

As a matter of fact, the MO of the SK is totally inconsistent with the way SG was hired. Having SG's driver deliver her to the John's home is not something a SK will do.
If JB & co. had wanted to kill SG, they had 3 entire hours to do it, then what would they do with her driver, who was standing outside waiting for her?
It just makes no sense.

Her refusal to leave with her own driver, someone she knew and trusted is entirely her own doing, and nobody elses. We don't know what kind of drugs she was on and what she was really thinking.
From the testimony of everyone who last saw her, SG was delusional, irrational and probably was hallucinating.

With all due respect, there isn't any real evidence to support a theory that SG is alive and well. As for drowning? She must have been taking a dip in the ocean after tossing her cell phone, which was found by the miscreantwho called her family ... told them he was a doctor, caring for her, yada yada.

You are assuming that we know for a fact who her driver was that night. We don't.

 

[shadowraiths]

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