NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[susan1122]

Actually he didn't, she appeared on the show. She was beaten unconscious and couldn't remember what happened.

whoa....she lived!! Holy cow. I guess I need to look over that article again...lol.

OK. I think my brain is saturated.....yeah, she is alive. That is incredible! Time to start taking a memory supplement.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

One of the earlier articles I read implies that JB was NOT expecting a driver. I think it was his reason as to why the session (in his story) only lasted an hour. Let me know if anyone wants me to try to find the link.

S

Oh That would be great if you could find it Susan! I recall reading that SG met her client somewhere who then drove her to his house. I wonder if the driver followed them to the neighborhood entrance where he waited. this could be why JB allegedly stated that she was not what he expected from her ad (or something like that).

wm

 

[Seaslug44]

This makes no sense. The article here- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...NY-hooker-weeks-killed-Craigslist-ripper.html has the following caption under the photo of NINE girls-

Victims: Police believe that Amber Lynn Costello is one of nine murdered women that could be linked to the 'Craigslist killer'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-killed-Craigslist-ripper.html#ixzz1JtlJ0pjE

Here is the photo. Who are the three other girls?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This makes no sense. The article here- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...NY-hooker-weeks-killed-Craigslist-ripper.html has the following caption under the photo of NINE girls-



Here is the photo. Who are the three other girls?

Seaslug44, 4 of those girls are victims of the AC killer (which I dont' understand) and one photo is of Shannan Gilbert who has not been found to be a victim of the SK but the search for her is what broke this case wide open.

Hope this helps.

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

For those looking to watch specific posters on UG and LIE, Humiliatrix69 on LIE apparently posts as Rickoshay on UG. The story posted under both usernames is identical word for word.

Also of interest from this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-killed-Craigslist-ripper.html#ixzz1Jtps9iO0 we get this:

Joseph Palminteri, 63, who lived across the street from Miss Costello’s home, told a U.S. newspaper that the police were called to the home ‘too many times to count’.
‘It was always something. Lots of screaming, lots of yelling, lots of drugs,’ he told the Daily News.
‘Sometime last July a naked man was banging on my door at 10 at night. He came from [Miss Costello's] house. He was screaming, “Don't let them kill me! He's going to kill me!”’



So was this naked man Rickoshay/Humiliatrix69 ? The timeline certainly fits. If so, sure doesn't seem like a tough guy to me. *giggles* Sorry, just sayin'. But anyway, if these guys are one and the same, I can see a definite added incentive for revenge...complete humiliation. Although, I also seriously doubt he's the one who picked ACL up that day. She surely would have recognized him as one of her robbery victims. On the other hand, the whole story of ALC being picked up came from DS, and he could certainly be lying through his teeth.

Clear as mud, eh?

 

[artlover]

the bones found in the water seem very significant...does anyone know exactly where they were found? I'm only seeing reports they were found off oak beach.

 

[artlover]

Also thank you to so many members of the board that wrote such nice encouraging messages to me...it worked...as you can see I'm back and recharged!

 

[Lera213]

How slick of JB, I mean even I ended up thinking he was innocent because he was so helpful with the police, allowing them to search his house without a warrant and stuff. I mean if you think about it, most of the victims were strangled, therefore not much DNA would be left or a crime scene. He had admitted she was in the house so any fibers found wouldn't be unusual. He also had time to clean up the car. What is striking is him saying "I'm not the victim" and to some it came across as though he was thinking of the family's of the victims. Hrm SK called family members on two occasions.

JB said something to SG to make her freak and and get scared. Maybe he told her, "You know there is a guy going around killing Prostitutes and I could be one of them or your driver". Then she freaks out, runs, and is not trusting anyone. She runs back towards JB's house and he grabs her, but he would have had to hide her somewhere once the police were on the scene? Did he strangle her where he found her? Hiding her under a boat, brush, car, somewhere and after the police left he buried her somewhere? Gosh...man JB just comes across to slick.

 

[artlover]

i also think the fact that a ligature was found might also point to the killer being in a hurry and feeling nervous...perhaps even killing the poor victim in his vehicle and dumping quickly. it would seem that if the SK was careful he would have taken the ligature off since it appears the SK was diligent in removing other items of identification such as jewelry etc.

 

[Seaslug44]

For those looking to watch specific posters on UG and LIE, Humiliatrix69 on LIE apparently posts as Rickoshay on UG. The story posted under both usernames is identical word for word.

Also of interest from this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-killed-Craigslist-ripper.html#ixzz1Jtps9iO0 we get this:

Joseph Palminteri, 63, who lived across the street from Miss Costello’s home, told a U.S. newspaper that the police were called to the home ‘too many times to count’.
‘It was always something. Lots of screaming, lots of yelling, lots of drugs,’ he told the Daily News.
‘Sometime last July a naked man was banging on my door at 10 at night. He came from [Miss Costello's] house. He was screaming, “Don't let them kill me! He's going to kill me!”’



So was this naked man Rickoshay/Humiliatrix69 ? The timeline certainly fits. If so, sure doesn't seem like a tough guy to me. *giggles* Sorry, just sayin'. But anyway, if these guys are one and the same, I can see a definite added incentive for revenge...complete humiliation. Although, I also seriously doubt he's the one who picked ACL up that day. She surely would have recognized him as one of her robbery victims. On the other hand, the whole story of ALC being picked up came from DS, and he could certainly be lying through his teeth.

Clear as mud, eh?

Rickshay/Humiiatrix69 was the one victimized who went on to whine about it online. I would be more curious to learn the identity of the one who promised to help him.

 

[Jackalow]

Not sure if this has been posted but I was reading some old articles and found this comment supposedly from SGs mom after a 12/14/2010 article on CNN.com:

Guest
I am Shannan's mother. A lot of what was on Nancy Grace tonight was VERY WRONG from the length of the 991, a ritualistic killing, to having no suspect. I and I repeat - I revieled the 911 call in the first place channel 7 news. I know who she was running from, and so do the police. I know he did kill them all, and I know her boyfriend is in FEAR to speak of what he knows but he WAS NOT INVOLVED - she was 23 years old NOT 24- so much on her Nancy's show was wrong. But oh well - I can not control bull crap. All I know is Shannan was a wonderful daughter, a great sister, a proud aunt, a good friend, and doing drugs was a way to not think of what she was doing - until the day she tried to leave the life and she npayed with her life. Many, many woman and men are still out there afraid to escape - because this is what happens when you try. Love for a child is unconditional - afterall. And aftyerall - until the results are in it may not even be my daughter. HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE less.

If posted before my apologies, I don't remember seeing it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/13/new.yok.bodies/

 

[NJGuy]

Not sure if this has been posted but I was reading some old articles and found this comment supposedly from SGs mom after a 12/14/2010 article on CNN.com:

Guest
I am Shannan's mother. A lot of what was on Nancy Grace tonight was VERY WRONG from the length of the 991, a ritualistic killing, to having no suspect. I and I repeat - I revieled the 911 call in the first place channel 7 news. I know who she was running from, and so do the police. I know he did kill them all, and I know her boyfriend is in FEAR to speak of what he knows but he WAS NOT INVOLVED - she was 23 years old NOT 24- so much on her Nancy's show was wrong. But oh well - I can not control bull crap. All I know is Shannan was a wonderful daughter, a great sister, a proud aunt, a good friend, and doing drugs was a way to not think of what she was doing - until the day she tried to leave the life and she npayed with her life. Many, many woman and men are still out there afraid to escape - because this is what happens when you try. Love for a child is unconditional - afterall. And aftyerall - until the results are in it may not even be my daughter. HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE less.

If posted before my apologies, I don't remember seeing it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/13/new.yok.bodies/

Thank you very much for posting that...if it was indeed her mother, it would certainly go along with I thought I read earlier somewhere, that the 911 tape named who was after her, and both the poilice and the family know the name

 

[artlover]

Thank you very much for posting that...if it was indeed her mother, it would certainly go along with I thought I read earlier somewhere, that the 911 tape named who was after her, and both the poilice and the family know the name

Many, many woman and men are still out there afraid to escape - because this is what happens when you try.

but what is that supposed to mean? It doesn't appear she was trying to escape the life by going to meet a john...or that trying to escape the life had anything to do with her being killed? the comment seems to say that because she was trying to get out of the escort business someone killed her...which would point to someone else in the business who was in control...if that was the case why not kill her somewhere privately...instead of during a party? was this comment a write in comment or a call in guest that we know for sure was SG's mom? I tried the link and couldn't get there....

 

[minazoe]

they don't know who he is.

he would be in custody.

My apologies to Shannan's family...I just think they don't know...or the trail leads them nowhere... or they have a first name...or it's not clear...because the media seems to be working hard to draw him out...

are there possible reasons they wouldn't pull this person in and talk to them?

 

[minazoe]

why on earth would anyone kill a girl who wanted to get out? then you lose any chance of ever getting them back...it's not like a girl is going to rat you out...it's not the mafia...

seems weird.

 

[dcgrumpy]

Not sure if this has been posted but I was reading some old articles and found this comment supposedly from SGs mom after a 12/14/2010 article on CNN.com:

Guest
I am Shannan's mother. A lot of what was on Nancy Grace tonight was VERY WRONG from the length of the 991, a ritualistic killing, to having no suspect. I and I repeat - I revieled the 911 call in the first place channel 7 news. I know who she was running from, and so do the police. I know he did kill them all, and I know her boyfriend is in FEAR to speak of what he knows but he WAS NOT INVOLVED - she was 23 years old NOT 24- so much on her Nancy's show was wrong. But oh well - I can not control bull crap. All I know is Shannan was a wonderful daughter, a great sister, a proud aunt, a good friend, and doing drugs was a way to not think of what she was doing - until the day she tried to leave the life and she npayed with her life. Many, many woman and men are still out there afraid to escape - because this is what happens when you try. Love for a child is unconditional - afterall. And aftyerall - until the results are in it may not even be my daughter. HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE less.

If posted before my apologies, I don't remember seeing it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/13/new.yok.bodies/

Is she talking about JB? Had his name been released to the public at that point?

 

[artlover]

Is she talking about JB? Had his name been released to the public at that point?

oops meant to reply...we have to keep in mind as well that even though she might have been running from JB or someone at the party...it doesn't necessarily mean that same person is the SK. JB stated he was trying to get her out of his house and called her driver to remove her...maybe he yelled at her...maybe someone tried to throw her out..pushed her or was physical...and maybe she freaked under the influence of drugs and started running...if she named jb or someone at the party as the person on 911 she was running from it still doesnt mean he is the SK...there are too many variables and because she has not been found there is not evidence that she is a victim of the SK at this time.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This makes no sense. The article here- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...NY-hooker-weeks-killed-Craigslist-ripper.html has the following caption under the photo of NINE girls-



Here is the photo. Who are the three other girls?

When I looked at the pics of the Li and AC victims in this link that Seaslug posted, I suddenly realized how much the AC victims resemble the LI victims if the AC victims were 10-20 years older than the LI victims.

My apologies for not remembering all the AC victims names..please bear with me as i try to explain....I mean not disrespect to the victims at all.

Row 1, Column A.......victim of AC killer, very young appearence in photo. heavier appearance in photos
Row 3, Column B.......Megan Waterman, very youthful appearance in photos but heavier stats than other Li victims.

Row 1, Column C.......victim of AC killer. Bears a resemblence to Melissa B. but older.
Row 2, Column A.......Melissa B. bears a striking resemblence to this AC victim.

Row 2, column B.........AC vicitim who bears a sticking resemblence to Maureen Barnes
Row 3, column A..........LI victim, Maureen Barnes.

Row 2, column C..........AC victim Kim Raffo who departed LI for AC, her body was discovered in AC the following day. (IIRC?)
Row 3, Column C.........LI victim Amber Costello. IDK I may be grasping straws here but am I the only one who sees some similarites here?

MOO
wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

they don't know who he is.

he would be in custody.

My apologies to Shannan's family...I just think they don't know...or the trail leads them nowhere... or they have a first name...or it's not clear...because the media seems to be working hard to draw him out...

are there possible reasons they wouldn't pull this person in and talk to them?

Knowing who killed someone and having enough evidence to arrest someone are 2 different things.

Do I think LE knows who was responsible for SG's disappearance? I don't have the first clue. But even if LEO's have strong suspicions, without a body...without physical evidence to link the suspect to a crime...it's a moot point.

 

[mck16]

oops meant to reply...we have to keep in mind as well that even though she might have been running from JB or someone at the party...it doesn't necessarily mean that same person is the SK. JB stated he was trying to get her out of his house and called her driver to remove her...maybe he yelled at her...maybe someone tried to throw her out..pushed her or was physical...and maybe she freaked under the influence of drugs and started running...if she named jb or someone at the party as the person on 911 she was running from it still doesnt mean he is the SK...there are too many variables and because she has not been found there is not evidence that she is a victim of the SK at this time.

I posted this same conclusion way back. The only similarity is that she was in the area alive. But, that is where it all ends as far as a SK. Unless he has moved his dumping grounds. jmo