NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6
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What I would like to know is this; How long did JB try and get SG to leave? Are we talking minutes or an hour?. Has he told LE what her demeanor was. Was she talking, reading the paper? What really happened after the "party" was over. Obviously he wanted her out but did not want the police there.
And re the dr. Do we have any info that he was alone that night. Where was the wife?.
I still go back to Pat Brown's opinion that the SK lives east of the area since the victims were found on the westbound side.
And if SG never actually got in that car it is possible she headed east and the Sk has a scanner and heard the police being dispatched to the area and he goes out looking..
And re the dr. Do we have any info that he was alone that night. Where was the wife?.
I still go back to Pat Brown's opinion that the SK lives east of the area since the victims were found on the westbound side.
And if SG never actually got in that car it is possible she headed east and the Sk has a scanner and heard the police being dispatched to the area and he goes out looking..
This is purely my opinion and speculation, but I think SG's case and the bodies are all related, and I also think this will end up involving something more than murder, such as trafficking. Somebody posted a link the other day to a forum where a woman claiming to be a local said that JB was in the truck that was looking for SG that night. If that is true, then it seems to be a lot of effort by a most likely selfish john to track down an hysterical prostitute. If his personality is what I suspect it to be, he wouldn't be out looking for her; he would shrug it off. Also, him getting in the car with the driver would put him in a very vulnerable position, especially if they were successful and found her. Now he is outnumbered in the vehicle by a prostitute and a driver. Wealthy and privileged men who normally pay to bring women to them don't put themselves in this situation. In fact, chauvinistic men do far less for women they work with or are related to, let alone women they hired into the most subservient of all roles. If she really became hysterical and caused so much grief that night in his house and neighborhood, I would think it would be more likely for him to react with serious agitation and annoyance, even going so far as to spin it around and call the police himself, portraying himself as the victim. Also, he would lock his door, stay inside and leave the driver to deal with this mess. Who cares what the neighbors think -- frankly, people living in remote and exclusive beachside communities are used to seeing a lot of strange things.
I am also intrigued by the call purporting to be from the doctor. Remember, the SG incident occurred before any bodies were found, so the perpetrator or group of perpetrators might have been willing to take more risks back then. Maybe the call was simply to buy some time -- they might have already had interaction with many victims' families by this point (even beyond what has already been reported), and maybe they know the sorts of stories that easily satisfy curious relatives.
Second, is Overstreet a common last name? I was intrigued when I saw that ALC's real surname is Overstreet, and that she had spent some time recently in Florida. Overstreet is the surname of the cousin that was the focus of much attention in the Cummings case down there. I don't really see any real connection, except the possibility for some sort of remote family connections.
I am also intrigued by the call purporting to be from the doctor. Remember, the SG incident occurred before any bodies were found, so the perpetrator or group of perpetrators might have been willing to take more risks back then. Maybe the call was simply to buy some time -- they might have already had interaction with many victims' families by this point (even beyond what has already been reported), and maybe they know the sorts of stories that easily satisfy curious relatives.
Second, is Overstreet a common last name? I was intrigued when I saw that ALC's real surname is Overstreet, and that she had spent some time recently in Florida. Overstreet is the surname of the cousin that was the focus of much attention in the Cummings case down there. I don't really see any real connection, except the possibility for some sort of remote family connections.
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Has anyone here tried generating a jeopardy surface? I would include the link to what that is (for those unfamiliar) but the automated link parser messes things up. Anyway, just go to wikipedia, and search for "jeopardy surface" and if you want to give it a shot, have mathematica, and need the equation, search for "Rossmo's Forumla."
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Yes. I think it's the subway map doing it.
Margins should be back on this page.
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Mine aren't but that's bc I have an extremely large monitor. Anyway, blown margins is a result of an inline image (very likely, in this case, the LIRR map) that extends beyond the default page width. It will be fine again once you're on a page that does not contain that image.
I'm going to defend the link I use below based upon the fact that Dormer was born in Ireland, but is obviously a US citizen. Irish pride is strong, and many of the NYPD and LI PD are of Irish heritage and/or still have links to Ireland. Therefore, IMO, the reporter's sources are likely good.
Anyway, looks like this SK/john was sending text messages, as well:
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http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/life-and-death-in-the-shadow-of-fear-2621735.html
The suspected killer always phoned in the evenings, spoke briefly and in a low voice -- and only to Amanda [Melissa B's sister]. He snarled taunts and allegations at her and interspersed his calls with abusive text messages.
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The view that the murders are the work of a serial killer has been backed by Richard Dormer, the police commissioner, originally from Crettyard in Laois, who is heading up the investigation. Dormer, who is now a US citizen, retired in 1993 but came out of retirement to head up the second-largest police department in the US.
Anyway, looks like this SK/john was sending text messages, as well:
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http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/life-and-death-in-the-shadow-of-fear-2621735.html
The suspected killer always phoned in the evenings, spoke briefly and in a low voice -- and only to Amanda [Melissa B's sister]. He snarled taunts and allegations at her and interspersed his calls with abusive text messages.
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The view that the murders are the work of a serial killer has been backed by Richard Dormer, the police commissioner, originally from Crettyard in Laois, who is heading up the investigation. Dormer, who is now a US citizen, retired in 1993 but came out of retirement to head up the second-largest police department in the US.
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I thought it was just me - being a newbie! Tx!
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Bad margins!! Haha I thought it was just me being a newbie! Tx!
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IMO, I think he is a current resident of Long Island, with ties to NYC either from having worked at one time in either Manhattan or The Bronx, or is currently working in one or the other of these 2 boroughs. If he is currently employed on Long Island, I think he is either a transplant from The Bronx to Long Island, or has family roots from either Manhattan or The Bronx, and is therefore more familiar with these 2 boroughs.
He came out of retirement for this case? I wonder if some case he worked on in the past has some kind of link to this case. Something he was unable to solve but has great knowledge about?
MB sister, I sure hope LE is watching and guarding her for this SK seems to be fixated on her.
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That's what is happening to me - also having trouble with the site generally...I know it's o/t but let's see if this one goes through ( I quoted Epiphany re: many good posts left behind...
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Hi epiphany.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I think he either works on LI and commutes from the city - OR works in the city and commutes to LI.
I think there are coinkidinks between the girls - most seem to be conncected to LI, NJ and downtown (port authority/Manhattan/MSG/TS). Granted I don't know these communities, but I think that is a common thread. Hopefully LE sees that too...
No, not out of retirement to head this case. Out of retirement, I believe, to serve as commissioner. More Dormer bio here:
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Ir...al-killer-investigation-112370939.html?page=2
Dormer was nominated by Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy to serve as commissioner, which is a civilian appointment, but he’s hardly a stranger to police work.
“I am a cop who became a commissioner. I walked the beat. I worked midnights. I worked rotating shifts,” he says of his career. Dormer retired from the Suffolk force as a three-star chief in 1993.
He’s also made a point of accumulating educational accolades, among them an MBA from the New York Institute of Technology. Dormer also studied at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, and the FBI National Academy.
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Ir...al-killer-investigation-112370939.html?page=2
Dormer was nominated by Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy to serve as commissioner, which is a civilian appointment, but he’s hardly a stranger to police work.
“I am a cop who became a commissioner. I walked the beat. I worked midnights. I worked rotating shifts,” he says of his career. Dormer retired from the Suffolk force as a three-star chief in 1993.
He’s also made a point of accumulating educational accolades, among them an MBA from the New York Institute of Technology. Dormer also studied at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, and the FBI National Academy.
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Hi Redbird (afraid to quote you haha, just because of the problems I'm having).
I'm referring to you saying that most working girls would never allow a john to inject her.
I agree - that is a stretch. I was just trying to figure out why SG was so freaked out (besides the fact that she felt that someone was trying to kill her). Coke will cause that kind of paranoia (more than bi-polar IMO), but you really have to be doing A LOT or injecting it. JMO
So many red herrings
I'm referring to you saying that most working girls would never allow a john to inject her.
I agree - that is a stretch. I was just trying to figure out why SG was so freaked out (besides the fact that she felt that someone was trying to kill her). Coke will cause that kind of paranoia (more than bi-polar IMO), but you really have to be doing A LOT or injecting it. JMO
So many red herrings
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