NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[Aleph]

Wonder what "other respects" would make this price NOT unsual. I mean, it wouldn't be unusual for an all nighters, or a party with multiple clients, maybe...but otherwise, that price seems extremely unusual to me.

Maybe the client was someone well-known and paying extra for discretion.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

For $1500 I assume she's doing some pretty raunchy things. Think "Requiem for a Dream." I don't think it's farfetched.

Of course, someone (SK) may have offered her a crazy sum like that particularly so he could lure her.

My thoughts too. Heck, he could have offered her a million, he had no intention of paying, so what does it matter to him.

But on HER part, I would have thought she would have found that sum very suspicious. But then, I don't know what was being offered either. :waitasec:

Off to google "Requiem for a Dream". I'm clueless.:innocent:

ETA: Good lord! I need to stop researching these review sites. I thought "Requiem For Dream" was slang some kind of deviant sex act. (stop laughing!)

 

[Cancan]

Good lord! I need to stop researching these review sites. I thought "Requiem For Dream" was slang some kind of deviant sex act. (stop laughing!)

Haha, no! I was thinking of the end of the movie... the sex stuff. Don't really want to recap it but suffice it to say Jennifer Connelly's heroin addiction leads her to do some pretty seedy things.

 

[Lera213]

I'm wondering if the price was $1500.00 and she left with only jeans and a hoodie if the lure wasn't something like this:

It is a high end party, no need to dress, for the john has her attire all laid out for her appearance at either a party for more than one person or Johns sexual fantasy.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hello there....trying to keep up with this and the Holly Bobo abduction and haven't been able to keep up with this thread. I read in one article this week that the child that was found was a toddler and a man right near each other. Last night I read an article that said that it was a 5 yr old wrapped in a blanket and a woman together. Does anyone know which is the more accurate story? This whole story is disturbing but the child being there too just throws me??!!! TIA

kila, Welcome to WS and to the :rollercoaster:

I have no link to back it up but I do remember reading somewhere that the child's remains were wrapped in a blanket. 3 days of not keeping up and taking notes and I feel lost:waitasec:

MOO

wm

 

[scandi]

Sociopaths

So how many are there? Depending which expert's estimates you use, psychopaths / sociopaths comprise one percent to four percent of the world's population. And many people think these estimates are low.
Why is it so critical for you to know about sociopaths? Because millions of sociopaths also called psychopaths, are living among us. Yes, many of them are criminals, locked up in jail. But far more are on the street, hurting people without openly breaking laws, operating in the grey areas between legal and illegal, or simply eluding the authorities. They can appear to be normal, but they pose a tremendous threat to us all


Sociopaths have no heart, no conscience and no remorse. They don't worry about paying bills. They think nothing of lying, cheating and stealing. In extreme cases, sociopaths can be serial rapists and serial killers.

Think you can spot a sociopath? Think again. Sociopaths often blend easily into society. They're entertaining and fun at parties. They appear to be intelligent, charming, well-adjusted and likable. The key word is "appear." Because for sociopaths it's all an illusion, designed to convince you to give them what they want.

Sociopaths are masters of manipulation and deceit.
Charming, entertaining, witty
Sociopaths look and act like your best friend

If you expect sociopaths to have a crazy or sinister appearance, you're sadly mistaken. Sociopaths look non-descript, average or attractive just like anybody else.

Sociopaths come from all walks of life including well-educated, well-off families. Many sociopaths, therefore, have good social graces. They know how to dress and how to behave in polite society.

This doesn't stop them from lying, cheating and stealing. On the contrary, it makes their deceptions easier. Sociopaths from middle-class or privileged backgrounds often excel at white collar crime fraud, phony stock schemes, embezzlement.

Why sociopaths are hard to recognize

1. They're fluent talkers (liars). Even when caught in a lie, they change their stories without skipping a beat.

2. They're totally comfortable in social situations and cool under pressure.

3. They use family or business connections to make themselves appear legitimate.

4. They often become, or pretend to be, clergy, lawyers, physicians, teachers, counselors and artists. Most of us generally assume people in these positions are trustworthy.

5. They're happy to exaggerate or fabricate credentials. Few of us check their references.

6. They will say absolutely anything to get what they want. The words, to them, mean absolutely nothing.

I believe he is among us here on Long Island in plain sight!!!

Thanks for that Roosevelt and :welcome4: WS ;}

I would love to read your rundown on the narcissist. And do you believe there are grades of both sociopathy and narcissistic personalities? And do you believe people with these personalities have a propensity for violence, even if it is within their heads and they have never acted on it?

I find the story about Amber simply scary. In the article it says she ended up in a SK's dumping ground. The poster we read about in the above link, is the consensus of opinion that he was or is the SK?


PS: Sorry for the 2 pronged post.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks, Salem.

 

[Peliman]

Not sure if everyones read this article yet but reading post suggesting it.

Internet sex forum wanted 'revenge' vs. Long Island hooker later murdered, dumped in burial grounds
BY Matthew Lysiak, Henrick Karoliszyn and John Lauinger
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...g_island_hooker_later_murdered_dumped_in.html

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm wondering if the price was $1500.00 and she left with only jeans and a hoodie if the lure wasn't something like this:

It is a high end party, no need to dress, for the john has her attire all laid out for her appearance at either a party for more than one person or Johns sexual fantasy.

Possibly.

I do know that the LI posters on UG do host "parties". How they are planned, set up, where they occur...not a clue. They are private and by invitation only, I believe. I do see some announcements made for parties on the board, but if several local "hobbyists" know one another personally, it's also possible they host parties together independent of the board. KWIM? Which makes me wonder if this "party" that SG attended was something like that. But I've never heard a word about any other person being in attendance except for JB and possibly this drifter guy. :waitasec:

 

[ouryear02]

I'm wondering if the price was $1500.00 and she left with only jeans and a hoodie if the lure wasn't something like this:

It is a high end party, no need to dress, for the john has her attire all laid out for her appearance at either a party for more than one person or Johns sexual fantasy.

Great point! Would surely be fitting for a SK who commits crimes sexual in nature...It would allow for his power/control to be exhibited as he orchestrates every single aspect of his fantasy, right down to attire.

 

[reportertype]

You know I presented a point of view and qualified it that my perception might be off. And I am happy to accept comments pointing out where I am wrong. But your response was nasty and obnoxious. Feel better now?

I think Amber is pretty, but if she is a drug addict, that's going to take its toll. I'm guessing this lifestyle would do that to you? I mean, to me advertising on Craigslist isn't a super high-class escort service. To me, it's more like the average street girl and even those that start out gorgeous end up looking older than they really are.

I understood what you mean. It may also be the photos that are not great. I think Shannan is very pretty, honestly.

 

[Reannan]

From the article, this is what Humiliatrix69 said:

"I could seriously do some time for the things I want to do to this provider and her boyfriend." Then he admitted to having cold feet. Revenge wouldn't be worth it, he reasoned, claiming he would go "back to attempting to make legitimate *advertiser censored* videos."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...r_later_murdered_dumped_in.html#ixzz1JngI3Ijp

If ALC went on a $1500 outcall wearing a hoodie and jeans, maybe the SK is posing as a 'movie maker' and that is why she did not need any sexy clothing - it would be provided on the set of the movie. When I get back latter, I will sleuth "*advertiser censored* movie production' ads. That makes perfect sense, because the SK could even get them into "compromising/dangerous" positions, i.e. being tied up with a ligature around their necks and tell them it is part of the movie plot. I have suspected he has video taped his crimes for a while, but only now thought about the whole thing being a ruse for the girl to be a "movie star".
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[Mountain_Kat]

Has anyone been able to connect these 4 victims to any common friends or associates? Addresses? Established businesses like strip clubs? Anything?

I feel like we're all missing something.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

From the article, this is what Humiliatrix69 said:

"I could seriously do some time for the things I want to do to this provider and her boyfriend." Then he admitted to having cold feet. Revenge wouldn't be worth it, he reasoned, claiming he would go "back to attempting to make legitimate *advertiser censored* videos."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...r_later_murdered_dumped_in.html#ixzz1JngI3Ijp

If ALC went on a $1500 outcall wearing a hoodie and jeans, maybe the SK is posing as a 'movie maker' and that is why she did not need any sexy clothing - it would be provided on the set of the movie. When I get back latter, I will sleuth "*advertiser censored* movie production' ads. That makes perfect sense, because the SK could even get them into "compromising/dangerous" positions, i.e. being tied up with a ligature around their necks and tell them it is part of the movie plot. I have suspected he has video taped his crimes for a while, but only now thought about the whole thing being a ruse for the girl to be a "movie star".
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I could almost swear I saw something that said or implied that one of the four victims had done some film work. Or maybe was just amatuer video-taped? Damn, I wish I had saved that.

If I find it again, I'll pass it along. Maybe I just imagined it. I don't know...I've seen more crap the past few days I can't even think any more. :waitasec:

 

[Lera213]

Ok I know that this isn't the case but just to let you all get an idea of how my mind goes off to laalaa land.

What if this guy is a fixer? What I mean, some big power people in NY are wanting a girl. This fixer gets the girl for the power guy, (political figure, high biz person etc.) the power guy pays the FIXER a lot of money so these girls will never be traced back to them. (probably some kinky sex fantasy) So the fixer kills them!

Maybe this is why only summer months?

 

[Reannan]

Has anyone else looked at "italyrider" mentioned in that article? He is the guy who said "No one from this board needs to be involved. I have friends who can take care of this s---.".

He even has a picture out there on the net at "pornhubamateurs". I am not going to link to it here, but you can google his name, and then look at the cached version. (Don't look if you are easily offended by *advertiser censored*, however).

I am guessing it is OK to sleuth these people?? They have been mentioned in MSM now, and the rest of the world is going to be looking them up, right? :angel:

 

[Salem]

Okay Guys - listen up!!!!!

The way the victims look could be very important to this case. So discussion of size, shape, coloring, weight -- all of that is okay. Let's not get subjective about who is pretty and who is not. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And please - while I understand a point was being made, do not accuse your fellow members of doing unsavory things. This is a public forum, for everyone to read. Think about what you post and say to each other, okay?

Salem

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Ok I know that this isn't the case but just to let you all get an idea of how my mind goes off to laalaa land.

What if this guy is a fixer? What I mean, some big power people in NY are wanting a girl. This fixer gets the girl for the power guy, (political figure, high biz person etc.) the power guy pays the FIXER a lot of money so these girls will never be traced back to them. (probably some kinky sex fantasy) So the fixer kills them!

Maybe this is why only summer months?

Lera, This is exactly what I was thinking when I sleuthed a convicted child sex offender named J Epstein way back in thread one or two. I gave it up because the more I learned about him, the more concerned i became that I could be disappeared. This person is the kind of guy who has people to do everything for him! Also, bodies of prostitutes have been found in 3 sandy locations in the US near where this man owns homes.

I think the 'fixer' would be the one to place the bodies in burlap sacks for disposal. Sorry to be so grahic.

Wealthy and powerful people have people who clean up their messes and are paid well for their services.

This post is pure speculation and my opinionl

wm

 

[Pinkhammer]

Has anyone else looked at "italyrider" mentioned in that article? He is the guy who said "No one from this board needs to be involved. I have friends who can take care of this s---.".

He even has a picture out there on the net at "pornhubamateurs". I am not going to link to it here, but you can google his name, and then look at the cached version. (Don't look if you are easily offended by *advertiser censored*, however).

I am guessing it is OK to sleuth these people?? They have been mentioned in MSM now, and the rest of the world is going to be looking them up, right? :angel:

Kudos to alla you who are brave enough to wade into these blue forums. You have gathered some valuable info. FOXNEWS this morning had a report on "New Twist in Serial Killer Case." They talked about Amber, the reviews on the johns' website, and the possible connection.

Now LEA may not take us seriously, but FOXNEWS does! And they call attention to all your good internet research here.

Just wanted to let you all know: The ANGRY and ABUSIVE John Theory is alive and well!

 

[carbuff]

Several people have mentioned similarities to the TV show Dexter, and that's what these murders remind me of -- not real serial killings, but something staged to look like a serial killer's work.