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Seaslug44 said:
Hmmm... I forgot all about the "someone she knows" statement. That makes it clear to me that the person responsible for SG's disappearance is

  1. Someone in the business (like a pimp) who either a)she no longer wanted to work for or b)she currently worked for or c)she refused to accept offers to work for.
  2. A John who she has seen on more than one occassion. Escorts are like rock stars and celebraties; eventually they all have that one "creepy" person who they were nice to in the past but eventually try to distant themselves from because their friendliness turns into a form of stalking.
  3. An Ex-Boyfriend who never got over her and who has been stalking her ever since.
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So, you don't think SG knew her driver MP ? ;)
 
dcgrumpy said:
I've seen stories that she named the person who was chasing her but I can't find anything that says the person she named wasn't JB or the driver.

and I don't understand how they would know from the phone call that she was pulled into a truck.
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I've never understood that either, DC. Unless it was a loud vehicle, or maybe the "key's left in ignition alarm" was pinging after the door was opened. Something of that nature maybe.

I don't know.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
I've never understood that either, DC. Unless it was a loud vehicle, or maybe the "key's left in ignition alarm" was pinging after the door was opened. Something of that nature maybe.

I don't know.
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The fact that they even played the tape for the family seems strange to me. If what I read was true and as of December that they hadn't heard it. That means they played it for them after they know they were looking for a SK. It seems like they would want to keep things under wraps.

but what do I know? LOL
 
concentric said:
Thank you kemo for: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/index.html

The last line in the article:

"Investigators have at last hinted that they have a suspect."
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From your link:

<snip>

On July 9, 2009, Barthelemy had sent a late-night text message to her sister, Amanda Funderburg. Funderburg, 15, was the only family member who knew that Barthelemy was working as an escort, though by then the family knew she was doing exotic dancing rather than haircuts. That text was the last time the family would hear from her. Early the next day, she made a $900 deposit into her bank account, and she seems to have tried to call an ex-boyfriend, who didn't answer. She also checked her voicemail from two motels in Massapequa, a Budget Inn and a Best Western.

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This is new information to me, and the timeline doesn't fit what I have. I have MB being last seen on July 12, 2009, sitting on the curb outside her apartment.

Also, these vm checks from motels in Massapequa...are these in addition to the vm check on July 12 from Massapequa? Or were we wrong in thinking the Masspequa vm occurred on the day she went missing? Or are these dates just all screwed up?!

I'm confused now. :waitasec:
 
Yea, that is new news. I just read the article and no mention of who originaly reported this. It would change a few aspects for sure.
 
dcgrumpy said:
I've seen stories that she named the person who was chasing her but I can't find anything that says the person she named wasn't JB or the driver.

and I don't understand how they would know from the phone call that she was pulled into a truck.
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SG was apparently on the 911 call until such time as she was pulled into the truck. While she was on the call, she probably said that she was being followed by a truck.
 
dcgrumpy said:
The fact that they even played the tape for the family seems strange to me. If what I read was true and as of December that they hadn't heard it. That means they played it for them after they know they were looking for a SK. It seems like they would want to keep things under wraps.

but what do I know? LOL
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I agree with you it's out of the ordinary to play the tape for the family. What I think, is that LE needed some form of help from the family in possibly identifying and recognizing the name SG said on the tape. Or some other form of help from the family. It's the only reason they would allow the family to hear the tape, if LE thought they could assist in the case in regard to the 911 tape. Makes me believe there is more info on thy tape than we know about. Also why I think the driver is not a suspect at all. Nor he is a "pimp" of any kind
 
nugzter said:
Yea, that is new news. I just read the article and no mention of who originaly reported this. It would change a few aspects for sure.
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That's the trouble with linking non msm sources, it just confuses things. I almost NEVER consider information that doesn't come from a reliable source, but that motel info intrigued me. I won't sleuth it now, because I have no msm source to back it up, but I will stash the info away for later.
 
NJGuy said:
Don't know if it's been posted already, but interesting comment from the admin on findshannangilbert site, in the comments section.

[...]

Of course, it hasn't been verified or fact checked, but if true, very interesting.
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Interesting. I chewed some on the rent-a-cop angle as a result of the NYT article about the SK being "versed in Police Techniques" ( link ). Then Verity posted a link to the pic of the "gated community" ( [ame=http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6317032#post6317032]link[/ame]).
oak-beach-002.jpg
So, I discarded that idea. The big however is, if you look over on the Shannan Gilbert thread ( [ame=http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122841]link[/ame] ), you will see a pic that includes pointers to a "guard shack". If you're still skeptical, you can see the shack as clear as day on google maps

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=40.640761,-73.277981&spn=0.000919,0.001781&z=20"]Google Maps[/ame]

That said, if the FindShannanGilbert admin's claim is true, I am still skeptical that the doc would be the SK. Even though, he could arguably fit the rent-a-cop profile I posted some time ago ( [ame=http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6313872#post6313872]link[/ame] ), the anomaly, specifically the calls to Melissa's sister, contraverts the doc as perp theory. After all, there are now several video interviews of the guy and yet nothing from the sister saying, "omg, that's the voice of the man who called!"

Moreover, there is the issue of where these rather meaty rumors, specifically the alleged calls to MW's mother (link) and this latest rent-a-cop bit that you just posted ( link ), are originating. That is, the FindShannanGilbert site which is run by a friend of hers. ( link )

Not saying or in any way implying the guy is lying. Just noting that, when people are desperate (as would be understandably normal for Shannan's loved ones), a great deal of straw grabbing can occur. Otoh, there is usually a thread of truth in every rumor...
 
shadowraiths said:
Interesting. I chewed some on the rent-a-cop angle as a result of the NYT article about the SK being "versed in Police Techniques" ( link ). Then Verity posted a link to the pic of the "gated community" ( link).
oak-beach-002.jpg
So, I discarded that idea. The big however is, if you look over on the Shannan Gilbert thread ( link ), you will see a pic that includes pointers to a "guard shack". If you're still skeptical, you can see the shack as clear as day on google maps

Google Maps

That said, if the FindShannanGilbert admin's claim is true, I am still skeptical that the doc would be the SK. Even though, he could arguably fit the rent-a-cop profile I posted some time ago ( link ), the anomaly, specifically the calls to Melissa's sister, contraverts the doc as perp theory. After all, there are now several video interviews of the guy and yet nothing from the sister saying, "omg, that's the voice of the man who called!"

Moreover, there is the issue of where these rather meaty rumors, specifically the alleged calls to MW's mother (link) and this latest rent-a-cop bit that you just posted ( link ), are originating. That is, the FindShannanGilbert site which is run by a friend of hers. ( link )

Not saying or in any way implying the guy is lying. Just noting that, when people are desperate (as would be understandably normal for Shannan's loved ones), a great deal of straw grabbing can occur. Otoh, there is usually a thread of truth in every rumor...
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BBM

I think you are thinking of the Pray For Shannan Gilbert facebook page, which was started by her "friend". FindShannanGilbert site is owned by an attorney, if memory serves.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
That's the trouble with linking non msm sources, it just confuses things. I almost NEVER consider information that doesn't come from a reliable source, but that motel info intrigued me. I won't sleuth it now, because I have no msm source to back it up, but I will stash the info away for later.
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That TruTv thing is FILLED with mistakes regarding the details of this case, they even got names wrong. I wouldn't trust it at all.
 
NJGuy said:
I agree with you it's out of the ordinary to play the tape for the family. What I think, is that LE needed some form of help from the family in possibly identifying and recognizing the name SG said on the tape. Or some other form of help from the family. It's the only reason they would allow the family to hear the tape, if LE thought they could assist in the case in regard to the 911 tape. Makes me believe there is more info on thy tape than we know about. Also why I think the driver is not a suspect at all. Nor he is a "pimp" of any kind
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If they play the Tape for the Family for voice ID I would think they would not play the worst part. Another thing is it would sound like a kidnapping in progress if SG is saying help someone is trying to kill me his name is John Doe and now I am being forced into a Car. It's possible of course just doesn't sound right. then again nothing about SG that night so far sounds right.
 
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...suffolk-county-police-commish-richard-dormer/

Levy's quote, snipped by me:

“This story, it was made up. There’s no truth to it,” said Levy. ”Dormer has done a terrific job. I am not unhappy with the police commissioner in any way.”
“There’s a source, an unnamed source. This could be some guy from the PBA stirring up stuff that he read on a blog and the next thing you know, it’s an article in a major newspaper. What a disgrace this is,” Levy said of the Post’s reporting. “To say that I’m going to be firing my own commissioner without any substantiation whatsoever is horrendous journalism.”
 
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-top-cop-dormer-meets-with-dowling-1.2842396

"Suffolk Police Commissioner Richard Dormer is looking for a new job.

Dormer met with Dowling College administrators earlier this month to discuss the possibility of joining the school, according to Dowling spokeswoman Heather Shivokevich.

Shivokevich called the April 12 meeting between Dormer and school administrators "exploratory" and part of a plan to expand the Oakdale school's professional development curriculum.

"It was very explicit that this would be for after his term, upon completion of his term," she said. "There is no specific position or offer."

At his first news conference since announcing last month he would not run again for the executive seat, Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy said there is no plan to remove Dormer, and he has not been asked to resign. Levy called "ludicrous" a report that said the county executive was relieving Dormer of his duties.

"The police chief is going to stay with me here until Dec. 31 unless he decides on his own to leave," Levy said.

Levy spokesman Mark Smith said Dormer made a "courtesy call" to inform Levy of the meeting on Monday or Tuesday.

Levy "is not surprised with anyone with a nonpermanent position is going to start looking to the future and what happens after the term ends," Smith said.

Dormer did not immediately respond to questions Wednesday about his plans."
 
This is a perfect example of a lack of new case information, updates etc. Talk about something that looks relative and blow it up.
 
NJGuy said:
Don't know if it's been posted already, but interesting comment from the admin on findshannangilbert site, in the comments section.

Wondering says:
April 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Wonder if Brewer and/or Hackett has friends or relatives within the Long Island police?

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admin says:
April 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Interesting comment Wondering, thanks for reading and bringing that up.
It blows my mind that the Doctor rode around the neighborhood in a car complete with flashing red lights acting as a rent-a-cop for the gated community. Thats gets murkier with the understandong the security tapes for that night have gone missing.


Of course, it hasn't been verified or fact checked, but if true, very interesting
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If true, "rent-a-cop" would likely be paid by the gated community.

Given there is normally video surveillance, that would indicate there is a gatehouse where the video recording equipment is housed. Someone from the community must be in charge of the gate. Surely the gatehouse doesn't exist just to house the video equipment, so am wondering if the gatehouse is "manned" on a schedule, and of course, by whom? Additionally, there could be remote surveillance from somebody's computer, but I don't know how far the wireless would go.

ETA: Wondering about the wireless made me realize there is no limit to the distance ... there are folks who monitor their residence remotely from their employment.
 
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