NY - LISK Bodies found as of December 10, 2011 Thread #13

[Seaslug44]

From what I've read in the police blotter of Fire Island Press, information from the Ocean Beach Fire Department, Ocean Beach Police Department , the Suffolk County Police Department and Nassau County are included.

I'm not sure I understand your post. Could you provide clarification so that I can better understand what you mean?

Thanks!

You are confusing another part of Long Island that is only accessible by boat or ferry. Ocean Beach is a village on Fire Island. They have a tiny police & fire department to cover the few square miles of their village. I think you are confusing Ocean Beach with Ocean Parkway. the reports in that police blotter have nothing to do with Oak Beach or Gilgo (they are in the town of Babylon) because the blotter is specific to the towns on Fire Island only. It's like posting a police blotter for New Jersey and saying it is relevant to a crime in Manhattan simply because they are across the river from each other. My point was that the information contained in that blotter for Fire Island is as useless to this case as posting any of the other 75 police blotter reports from the other areas around Long Island that are also within 15 or 20 miles of Gilgo.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

How much “social engineering” does it take to exploit people who are in dire straits? A prime example of this is that serial killer in Ohio who was just caught. He was able to lure men with the promise of a job at $300 per week.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scary-three-men-answer-craigslist-job-ad-and-wind-up-dead-2011-12

Wasn't Maureen Brainerd-Barnes financially strapped, facing eviction and had a family to support? Wasn't Amber Lynn Costello broke and dealing with substance abuse issues (the job she booked was supposed to pay her $1500)?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/17/terror-on-long-island.html

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/long_island_deals_with_latest.html

I am working for the information put forth by Melissa Barthelemy's family attornery, Steven Cohen, that the perp is in his late 20s to his late 30s and is white.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_162-20078763.html?pageNum=2&tag=contentMain;contentBody

IMO, this perp has just enough range of mimicry to pass as human for a limited amount of time. It doesn't take long before he works that last dangling nerve of those of whom he comes into contact. I think that might be one of the reasons why he uses the internet to look for potential victims. He doesn't have the ability to charm, IMO.

If the perp is employed, he is in a job that has minimal, if any, contact with the public, IMO. One of the posters here theorized that the perp was a trust fund baby and a loser. IMO, that is the mostly likely scenario in addition to being a competent computer hacker/cracker, stalker and cyberstalker. All the stalking and killing he does is his full-time job (I bet it requires a lot of time too), IMO.

Dwntwnslim, I wanted to share this link with you that SmoothOperator posted on the psychological markers thread. (Thanks SO:seeya

I thought you might find this profile interesting. My opinion of this killer from the beginning is that he is very tech saavy.

http://www.stalkinc.com/profile6.html

Partial Profile of Long Island, NY Serial Killer
(aka “The Sweet Talking Killer”)
posted 12/01/2011:

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wm

 

[truthspider]

Dwntwnslim, I wanted to share this link with you that SmoothOperator posted on the psychological markers thread. (Thanks SO:seeya

I thought you might find this profile interesting. My opinion of this killer from the beginning is that he is very tech saavy.

http://www.stalkinc.com/profile6.html

Partial Profile of Long Island, NY Serial Killer
(aka “The Sweet Talking Killer&#8221
posted 12/01/2011:

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wm

"One of those mistakes might have been having a known relationship with one of his first victims, probably the one, whose baby he killed"

I liked that profile, I am not usually interested in profiles or profiling in general, but I agree that he likely made more mistakes in the beginning. Which is why I think that the first known victim Jane "Fasciotomy" Doe, who had the operational scars on her ankles as well as her calves, was likely someone the sk was connected to personally as well.


"He probably feels that his mother didn’t take care of him when he was a child, and/or he has been betrayed by women through a lack of nurturing or through their infidelity. "

This statement rings true for a certain poi as well.

 

[PickleChris]

I'm 99% sure he doesn't have a GSM interceptor. Then again, if he is a trust fund baby..??
http://www.advanced-intelligence.com/telephone.html?1586#!au688
Is it too much for me to ask people to inbox me with POI's? I know we can't post names on here. I remember someone posting a POI in Amityville, one in Massapequa?

If he is so techy, why have the no cell phone rule? He could have easily had a jammer in the car. Those are cheap and then he would have their cell phone to do his 'taunting'. Something changed.

If someone wants to do some digging, research this area. I know real shady stuff happens around here at night. The streets running perpendicular to Edison Ave in West Babylon. Lots of weird strip clubs, if that's what you would call them. In an industrial area. Most of them aren't even listed in the phone book or google's directory.

 

[the quiet girl]

You write the best posts!

laughs, well I would not say that but I think we needed a giggle it gets intense huh with this subject.



btw
I am aware of the difference of Fire Island and Oak beach. I grew up on these beaches, my grandparents lived in Babylon and my father now lives in E.Patchauge at the end of his road is the water. I remember having my 1st communion pic done at Masapequa Mall and we loved to turn the large black Cube.
Anyway a bit of a tangent but the police blotter is good even for that area, imo. Why rule out surrounding towns on LI? There may be an incident that catches the right persons eye and so on...

 

[the quiet girl]

ok I cant edit the post now to include this, so here is one article on the boots you asked about.

and I am off for who knows how long... then an ipad :maddening:

 

[Just K]

laughs, well I would not say that but I think we needed a giggle it gets intense huh with this subject.



btw
I am aware of the difference of Fire Island and Oak beach. I grew up on these beaches, my grandparents lived in Babylon and my father now lives in E.Patchauge at the end of his road is the water. I remember having my 1st communion pic done at Masapequa Mall and we loved to turn the large black Cube.
Anyway a bit of a tangent but the police blotter is good even for that area, imo. Why rule out surrounding towns on LI? There may be an incident that catches the right persons eye and so on...

Well, the one incident, on the blotter, that caught my eye was the owner who reported that some of the cushions on his furniture were missing/stolen. Not that it has anything to do with the LISK case but if we had numerous reports of cushions or carpets missing from beach rental properties then that might be significant.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I'm 99% sure he doesn't have a GSM interceptor. Then again, if he is a trust fund baby..??
http://www.advanced-intelligence.com/telephone.html?1586#!au688
Is it too much for me to ask people to inbox me with POI's? I know we can't post names on here. I remember someone posting a POI in Amityville, one in Massapequa?

If he is so techy, why have the no cell phone rule? He could have easily had a jammer in the car. Those are cheap and then he would have their cell phone to do his 'taunting'. Something changed.

If someone wants to do some digging, research this area. I know real shady stuff happens around here at night. The streets running perpendicular to Edison Ave in West Babylon. Lots of weird strip clubs, if that's what you would call them. In an industrial area. Most of them aren't even listed in the phone book or google's directory.

above BBM

Ironically, the no cell phone rule occured after SG disappeared. Neither MW nor AC had their cell phones with them.

Also, there is now a tracking app that was originally promoted as a way for parents to track their children.(IIRC) I'm not sure when the app was placed on the market. If this unusual person is possibly tracking his victims then he would also know that the girls could easily be tracked by their boyfriends/pimps. :twocents:

wm

 

[the quiet girl]

Well, the one incident, on the blotter, that caught my eye was the owner who reported that some of the cushions on his furniture were missing/stolen. Not that it has anything to do with the LISK case but if we had numerous reports of cushions or carpets missing from beach rental properties then that might be significant.

Same here! My thoughts after reading some of those were that someone may have been hiding out in empty homes.

 

[Just K]

...
Is it too much for me to ask people to inbox me with POI's? I know we can't post names on here. I remember someone posting a POI in Amityville, one in Massapequa?
...

Here are the some of the people who have been considered by WS members as being very interesting candidates:

HA: husband of AC victim KR. He travels up & down the East Coast, has ties to LI, quotes Islamic traditions, read a rather odd Bible passage at one of KR's vigil's, has some very dark images posted on social networking sites, went to AC, he says, to rescue KR, and made himself very visible/inserted himself into the AC case. He is reported to have stayed with KR at the same motel behind which she was later found dead. He also stated that the two of them stayed on LI in the weeks before her murder.

CPH: The good doc...tons of info here at WS. An oddball character, grew up without a mother, father visited/entertained prostitutes, in AC, lives on LI, has extensive medical background, wife is reported to have worked midnight shifts, inserted himself into the LISK investigation, feels thwarted by SCPD, has ties to the now closed/abandoned Hemstead Hospital, may have a hero/martyr complex, is reported (last year) to have been the unofficial security guard of OB...driving about the community in a golf cart of sorts and may have had access to the security tapes at the gatehouse. ETC., ETC., ETC.,

CM: A LI man who made numerous stalking/threatening calls to local news anchors (LI) and has never been ruled out as a POI in the Manorville killings. There is a thread here, at WS, on this man.

Other interesting Cases in the last year:
Nicole Tessa...was she ever involved in prostitution to support her drug habit? If so, then perhaps she too, after arguing with her husband, took off without her phone to meet a john. Her murder occurred just days after the GB4 were discovered and publicized.

The Mother of James Olsen, Garden City... that case has received very little news yet it had some very interesting components. Older male living with his mother, in a home dead center between OB & Manhattan, strangles his 88 year old mother... just days after the second set of victims was found. The mother was strangled with a scarf and Mr Olsen is reported to have sat in the house for nearly eight hours before placing a call to 911.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jam...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Recent string of disappearances/murders of woman who solicited on CraigsList and Backpage in OK & Michigan and older cases in Daytona Beach and Wilmington, NC.

 

[PickleChris]

above BBM

Ironically, the no cell phone rule occured after SG disappeared. Neither MW nor AC had their cell phones with them.

Also, there is now a tracking app that was originally promoted as a way for parents to track their children.(IIRC) I'm not sure when the app was placed on the market. If this unusual person is possibly tracking his victims then he would also know that the girls could easily be tracked by their boyfriends/pimps. :twocents:

wm

i completely messed up the timeline in my head. Thanks for pointing that out.

Just K - Thanks for the rundown. I do remember that WS members had POI's of their own that have not been discussed in these threads. I'm interested in those.

 

[inspctrgadget]

I'm somewhat perplexed by all of the talk about GSM interceptors, Faraday bags, etc.

Is it just because a couple of the GB4 left their cell phones at home, and people now assume the SK must have somehow "convinced" them to do so?

The SK obviously knows enough about cell phones to just take the battery/SIM card out to prevent tracking by police. Probably just powering down the phone on many models would prevent the phone from sending any signals that might be tracked. The SK demonstrated some basic understanding of this with Melissa Barthelemy's phone, but most of this I think we all know from watching CSI and Law & Order.

Is it that weird for an escort to leave the phone at home? I strongly suspect that the SK said it would be a quick "car date" (meet me here, I'll pick you up at, etc.). I base this on him meeting Amber down the block in his car. I would think that the girls might have left their cell phones at home because they thought it would be quick, and they didn't want to be disturbed in front of their client, which might impact their tip.

If there's some evidence that supports that the SK demanded or requested that they leave their phones behind, I'll suggest that the EASIEST and most disarming way would be for the SK to say that they've got a pacemaker and the RF from the phone might interfere with it.

See: http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-Emitti...nessandEntertainment/CellPhones/ucm116311.htm

There are only a few motives for the SK to not want the girls to bring along a cell that I can think of:
1) They don't want to be traced after the crime.
2) They don't want to be traced prior to the crime (i.e., police match GPS coordinates and traffic cameras to ID the car model/license plate)
3) They don't want her to call police if they somehow escape.
4) They don't want to have access to their cell phones after the crime because they know that they have a propensity for using it to make threatening calls to the victims families, friends, checking voicemails, etc. - thus increasing their risk of getting caught

Someone like Carman Monaco Jr. might fall into the fourth category (see my thread on Carman) if he is the SK. But again, I doubt that the whole "leave behind your cell phone" thing played into setting up the date - it would just be TOO creepy and alarming unless there was a medical reason to do so.

The other thing that I'm suggesting we consider is that the SK never really gave a darn whether they had their phone or not. The SK maybe was not as sophisticated and premeditated as everyone seems to believe he is. Maybe the SK is actually not that technically savvy at all - all they really know is to power down the phone when not in use, call from locations that are really busy and don't leave it on for more than 3 minutes. All of this you might learn either from CSI or if you were prosecuted for stalking and had been investigated for 6 years for making lewd and menacing phone calls - like Carman Monaco Jr.

 

[Sillybilly]

Is it just because a couple of the GB4 left their cell phones at home, and people now assume the SK must have somehow "convinced" them to do so?

<rsbm>

Cell phones are a prostitutes life line in the case of a bad date. I believe it's been discussed before that the only victims known to have left their phones behind were Amber and Megan, both having disappeared after Shannan.

Dave Shaller stated that the caller had asked Amber not to bring her cell, and in Megan's case, her cell was left behind in the hotel room (so whether specifically instructed or not is unknown).

 

[Dwntwnslim]

July 10
8:44 p.m. A Kismet man reported that a man named Mike called asking for his daughter, Gigi, and said: "I met her today, I'd like her to come over to my house, I could just eat her up."


http://www.fireislandnews.info/poli...1/1012-suffolk-pd-agreeting-to-qtone-it-downq

 

[WINDSOR]

July 10
8:44 p.m. A Kismet man reported that a man named Mike called asking for his daughter, Gigi, and said: "I met her today, I'd like her to come over to my house, I could just eat her up."


http://www.fireislandnews.info/poli...1/1012-suffolk-pd-agreeting-to-qtone-it-downq

This could be something or nothing, but in relation to everything else I certainly hope LE diligilently followed up on this complaint.

Does the Kismet man really have a daughter?
Where does she live, what is her occupation?
Can the caller be traced?
If she is in the trade, is she okay today?
90% a hoax call, but 10% could be extremely relevent.

It is often these odd coincidences that leads to the solution

 

[nugzter]

Hey Yall LI locals. Anyone know about On Time Trucking Inc in Farmingdale? I tried to visit the webpage but our servers here at work blocked it for some reason. Any info would be great. Especially if it involves burlap.

 

[marie-chantal]

Hey Yall LI locals. Anyone know about On Time Trucking Inc in Farmingdale? I tried to visit the webpage but our servers here at work blocked it for some reason. Any info would be great. Especially if it involves burlap.

I'm not a Long Islander, but I tried to pull up their webpage, and I get an error message that says, "site under construction and coming soon".

 

[Seaslug44]

July 10
8:44 p.m. A Kismet man reported that a man named Mike called asking for his daughter, Gigi, and said: "I met her today, I'd like her to come over to my house, I could just eat her up."


http://www.fireislandnews.info/poli...1/1012-suffolk-pd-agreeting-to-qtone-it-downq

Once again, I don't get it. To get to Kismet one has to take a ferry from Bay Shore or Sayville. Why not quote similiar prank calls from around the rest of Long Island. West Islip, Babylon, Deer Park, North Babylon, West Babylon, etc... are closer time-wise than Kismet. You can usually get to NYC from Gilgo quicker than you can get to Kismet from Gilgo.

Worlds apart...

 

[snapdragon2]

laughs, well I would not say that but I think we needed a giggle it gets intense huh with this subject.



btw
I am aware of the difference of Fire Island and Oak beach. I grew up on these beaches, my grandparents lived in Babylon and my father now lives in E.Patchauge at the end of his road is the water. I remember having my 1st communion pic done at Masapequa Mall and we loved to turn the large black Cube.
Anyway a bit of a tangent but the police blotter is good even for that area, imo. Why rule out surrounding towns on LI? There may be an incident that catches the right persons eye and so on...

FTR I didn't say there was categorically no value in looking at it. I actually said you never know and if someone wants to look at it they should do so. I was just saying that there's no reason to believe it's a treasure trove of valuable information, as it had initially been presented (which I believe was because there was a bit of confusion about Oak Beach and Ocean Beach - not from you perhaps, but others). Unless someone has reason to believe there is a connection to Fire Island - and other than the legs washing up there over a decade ago, there is no reason to believe the police blotter for Ocean Beach or any other community on Fire Island has any more pertinent information than one for any other town on Long Island.

 

[snapdragon2]

Once again, I don't get it. To get to Kismet one has to take a ferry from Bay Shore or Sayville. Why not quote similiar prank calls from around the rest of Long Island. West Islip, Babylon, Deer Park, North Babylon, West Babylon, etc... are closer time-wise than Kismet. You can usually get to NYC from Gilgo quicker than you can get to Kismet from Gilgo.

Worlds apart...

I agree, and it's frustrating me.