NY - LISK Bodies found as of December 10, 2011 Thread #13

[Dwntwnslim]

Well, we're still going to need you to come downtown to take a lie detector test....

I would suggest my mom be there as back-up. She can always tell when I'm lying.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

And we're also going to need to search your house.

Okay, all that I ask is that if any of my snacks are destroyed in the process, that they get replaced. No Generics!!!!

 

[Dwntwnslim]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8494478

They know NOTHING about her. Listed on national missing center's site, between 18 and 50 years old, no dentals, no ethnic info, no eye color, hair color- nothing. Surgical scar on her ankle if her body was found separately from her skull indeed.

On tonight's local news, it was stated that ABC 7's Josh Eihneger obtained the photo/sketch at the National Database, which strangely was not released to the public, although SCPD have the photo in their possession. I will try and find this info.

Does anyone else think that Dawn Michelle Holt might look like this composite drawing? Sorry if this a repeat question.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38917"]MD MD - Dawn Holt, 20, Waldorf, 25 April 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]



[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101624"]MD Dawn Michelle Holt (20) - Waldorf MD, 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Agreed, it will be difficult, but SK's do make errors and mistakes. It is these anomalies that create the leads that often solve these type of cases.

It may take a real cyber-sleuth from law enforcement to break this case. Let us be realistic, what other options do we have?

I keep hoping that LE might of tapped some ace talent from MIT!

 

[truthspider]

Does anyone else think that Dawn Michelle Holt might look like this composite drawing? Sorry if this a repeat question.

MD MD - Dawn Holt, 20, Waldorf, 25 April 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



MD Dawn Michelle Holt (20) - Waldorf MD, 1996 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Our jane doe was dead and dismembered before dawn holt went missing.
Law enforcement should look at the people CPH did patient advocacy for in 1995.
I think she was one of his pro bono patients. BH probably knew of her and remembers her. That is where to look.....patient advocacy......smh

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Yep, Jane Doe's legs were found April 20, 1996.

I wonder how accurate the date Dawn Michelle Holt was last seen is (April 25, 1996)? Ms. Holt wasn't reported missing until June.

Just a thought.

 

[truthspider]

Yep, Jane Doe's legs were found April 20, 1996.

I wonder how accurate the date Dawn Michelle Holt was last seen (April 25, 1996)? She was reported missing until June.

Just a thought.

Does holt's missing persons report mention the surgery on her ankle, and the extensive scarring on both legs? If not, it isn't her, missing person's reports detail any scars tattoos etc. I don't think our jane doe is going to be found on a missing persons report. People should still look, but Im guessing she was targeted like the rest because no one was going to report her missing, or that the perp could easily mislead any one who noticed her disappearance: "she went to a rehab in texas ...."

 

[scandi]

Our jane doe was dead and dismembered before dawn holt went missing.
Law enforcement should look at the people CPH did patient advocacy for in 1995.
I think she was one of his pro bono patients. BH probably knew of her and remembers her. That is where to look.....patient advocacy......smh

Hi Truthspider, I'm wondering if CPH and family lived in the same house in 1996 as they do today, on Larboard Ct, or when did they buy that house? Also, do you know how long GC and JB have lived in that little community.

I've been reading posts about the possibility these 3 partied together in a similar way. One poster even threw out the possibility Shannan went to GC's house with him from JB's and she didn't suddenly appear on his doorstep and bound into his house. I'm not putting in a link as I am sure it is so much dribble, just an example of what is being written out there.

What do you think?

 

[truthspider]

I keep hoping that LE might of tapped some ace talent from MIT!

You don't need MIT to teach you to subpoena craigslist, (google certainly has info for suspects in this case, in fact aol would be of use for info on a suspect i know LE just needs to charge the suspect to get it) google etc wont have a problem turning over data if the suspect is a user, which they probably are.

There really aren't any technical skills required to do this.... I know I know the perp didnt email the victim but it doesn't matter, they loaded their craigslist ad onto their computer, that is plenty for me. The trail does exist.....

 

[Dwntwnslim]

My MIT quote was meant to be tongue in cheek.

I'm sure LE has asked for the craigslist info. What if the perp used proxy servers and the like and/or stolen identities?

 

[truthspider]

Hi Truthspider, I'm wondering if CPH and family lived in the same house in 1996 as they do today, on Larboard Ct, or when did they buy that house? Also, do you know how long GC and JB have lived in that little community.

I've been reading posts about the possibility these 3 partied together in a similar way. One poster even threw out the possibility Shannan went to GC's house with him from JB's and she didn't suddenly appear on his doorstep and bound into his house. I'm not putting in a link as I am sure it is so much dribble, just an example of what is being written out there.

What do you think?

As far as i know they did live in the same place since 91.

I could see these gated scumbags chipping in to lower the cost and sharing the services of an escort, house to house etc. But lets be real, they are all Johns except one of them. And the johns need to step forward, your wife will respect you more if you come out and tell the truth in order to convict a woman murdering baby killer, if she cant get over the idea that you patronize prostitutes but will own up in order to stop a subhuman gully creature who dismembers helpless girls, then you need a new wife anyway. There are people in oak beach who know who the sk is, but if they talk they tarnish their own image. Such people are putting their own vanity and reputation above the sanctity of LIFE. So weak, so spineless, they can't even consider themselves men.

 

[truthspider]

My MIT quote was meant to be tongue in cheek.

I'm sure LE has asked for the craigslist info. What if the perp used proxy servers and the like and/or stolen identities?

I dont understand how stolen identitys relates to web browsing, you mean hijack someone elses machine to do the browsing from? The sk could have used a proxy server, but im am betting he did not. He isnt that technically inclined. He uses the telephone too much to be a real web ninja in my opinion. There are lots of ways to browse anonymously without technical knowledge....im sure he is a con artist who is decent at social engineering but he is no hacker.

Anyone with real technology skills doesnt have to go all the way to msg or time square to make an anonymous phone call, trust me. Lol. That behavior is very telling of his lack of technological prowess. He is old, overconfident, and has become RECKLESS in his comfort. His time SOON COME!

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I dont understand how stolen identitys relates to web browsing, you mean hijack someone elses machine to do the browsing from? The sk could have used a proxy server, but im am betting he did not. He isnt that technically inclined. He uses the telephone too much to be a real web ninja in my opinion. There are lots of ways to browse anonymously without technical knowledge....im sure he is a con artist who is decent at social engineering but he is no hacker.

Anyone with real technology skills doesnt have to go all the way to msg or time square to make an anonymous phone call, trust me. Lol. That behavior is very telling of his lack of technological prowess. He is old, overconfident, and has become RECKLESS in his comfort. His time SOON COME!

Keep in mind I am merely stating an Opinion and am Speculating. That's why I tend to pose questions and phrase my posts with words like "maybe", "possible", "might" etc. I do appreciate yours and all other poster's analysis and opinions, however.

In regards to stolen identities, I was pondering the Possibility that the perp used a stolen identity along with credit cards etc. when responding to a craigslist ad and attempting to pay for his "dates".

IMHO, the perp has used proxy servers and that Might be why LE has had trouble connecting the dots to a specific person. I also think it's Possible that they perp has other technology and technological skills that Might help cover his tracks and make it Seem like phone calls, letters and other correspondences are coming from a specific person. That is where the hacking/cracking comes in.

FYI, I am working off the profile offered by S.T.A.L.K., INC, who IMH, non-expert opinion has the most accurate profile of the perp. They are of the opinion that the perp is between the ages of 34-50.

http://www.stalkinc.com/profile6.html

 

[truthspider]

Keep in mind I am merely stating an Opinion and am Speculating. That's why I tend to pose questions and phrase my posts with words like "maybe", "possible", "might" etc. I do appreciate yours and all other poster's analysis and opinions, however.

In regards to stolen identities, I was pondering the Possibility that the perp used a stolen identity along with credit cards etc. when responding to a craigslist ad and attempting to pay for his "dates".

IMHO, the perp has used proxy servers and that Might be why LE has had trouble connecting the dots to a specific person. I also think it's Possible that they perp has other technology and technological skills that Might help cover his tracks and make it Seem like phone calls, letters and other correspondences are coming from a specific person. That is where the hacking/cracking comes in.

FYI, I am working off the profile offered by S.T.A.L.K., INC, who IMH, non-expert opinion has the most accurate profile of the perp. They are of the opinion that the perp is between the ages of 34-50.

http://www.stalkinc.com/profile6.html

The victims werent with an agency hence didnt take credit cards. They were on craigslist (the last few anyway) no CC required, which is the trouble with craigslist, its no safer than being a streetwalker. He's 55.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

The victims werent with an agency hence didnt take credit cards. They were on craigslist (the last few anyway) no CC required, which is the trouble with craigslist, its no safer than being a streetwalker. He's 55.

I don't share your opinion that he is 55, has a prosthesis or supervised an ER.

Maybe paypal was used? They take credit and debit cards. I haven't found any information, with the exception of Shannan Gilbert, about how money was exchanged though.

 

[goathairjones]

I still don't trust DS! I can't actually believe that he walked her out onto the porch, gave her a kiss, and said "Be careful". You've got to be kidding me!!!

This was a team that used to scam Johns out of money!!! And Johns were threatening to get even with them on a public forum! And he is just going to let her walk down the block and get into a Johns car without seeing who it is!!! And without her taking her cell phone or anything else. This guy is full of ****!!!!

And it appears from the 48 hours video that he had a stroke at some point. He appears to have loss of movement on one side of his body. Probably from a drug overdose or something like that. Shady character if you ask me! This guy needs to be investigated by LE further!

This guy really rubs me the wrong way. Not reporting her missing! I never believed a word he said from the beginning! Crocodile tears!!!

 

[Reannan]

I don't share your opinion that he is 55, has a prosthesis or supervised an ER.

Maybe paypal was used? They take credit and debit cards. I haven't found any information, with the exception of Shannan Gilbert, about how money was exchanged though.

I am not ruling anyone out in this case. I do not think it much matters about how he " paid" because he did not pay these victims. I think there is a huge clue in his offer of $1500.00 to one of the GB4. ( Was it ALC?????)

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I am not ruling anyone out in this case. I do not think it much matters about how he " paid" because he did not pay these victims. I think there is a huge clue in his offer of $1500.00 to one of the GB4. ( Was it ALC?????)

Good points! It is possible that the perp is 55, has a prosthesis and supervised an ER. IMHO, some scenarios are more probable than others.

I put the possibility of a certain doctor being involved in the less probable category. JMO of course.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I dont understand how stolen identitys relates to web browsing, you mean hijack someone elses machine to do the browsing from? The sk could have used a proxy server, but im am betting he did not. He isnt that technically inclined. He uses the telephone too much to be a real web ninja in my opinion. There are lots of ways to browse anonymously without technical knowledge....im sure he is a con artist who is decent at social engineering but he is no hacker.

Anyone with real technology skills doesnt have to go all the way to msg or time square to make an anonymous phone call, trust me. Lol. That behavior is very telling of his lack of technological prowess. He is old, overconfident, and has become RECKLESS in his comfort. His time SOON COME!

I'm trying to understand what you mean by this sentence.. when you say “there are lots of ways to browse anonymously without technical knowledge” it sounds like you think it's doable by a non-tech savvy person, but after your ellipsis, you continue with “im(sic) sure he is a con artist who is decent at social engineering but he is no hacker”, which kind of implies the exact opposite. Are you saying both, one, or the other?

 

[Seaslug44]

I'm trying to understand what you mean by this sentence.. when you say “there are lots of ways to browse anonymously without technical knowledge” it sounds like you think it's doable by a non-tech savvy person, but after your ellipsis, you continue with “im(sic) sure he is a con artist who is decent at social engineering but he is no hacker”, which kind of implies the exact opposite. Are you saying both, one, or the other?

In this day any non-tech savvy person can browes ads on a website without any electronic trail. For starters, there are hundreds of thousands of cable subscribers how do not have passwords on their wireless router. You can buy an unregistered wifi tablet at any drug store or shopping mall and be on the Internet in five minutes by parking in front of an apartment building and using an open wifi router. Better yet, just stay in the mall and use their free wifi.