NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

[svpernin]

Nancy Grace can be irritating for sure.

I would most definitely have a nervous breakdown if I were a correspondent for her.

 

[chemcopout]

these are remains, bones left. they're showing it on ng
the killer left nothing on these women that could identify them, not clothes, shoes, nothing.
he knows what he's doing. it's likely he is keeping souveniors.

they have a 9th body, they are waiting on confirmation.

the killer likely is going to have a very high body count

 

[stillwatersc]

Is that the right time frame?? (I had kids way too early to go to college.)

I thought college got out later than the beginning of May, but again there are always exceptions and the 4 identified victims were June, July and September.

Also, the first identified one was 2007. So if that was his first one and college is the reason he's there... he was probably in the area in July of 2007, to get ready for college. So this year would be 4 years he has been there. I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped after this summer if he's a college student.

I was thinking he is a local and away at school/college except for the summer months. Just pure speculation.

 

[Columbo]

in the other nancy grace, it's mentioned and in the transcript that they are used by fisherman and clammers.

Thanks for verifying that, chemcopout. This makes me feel that the guy is someone local. And/or attached to the fishing industry....

 

[Columbo]

I was thinking he is a local and away at school/college except for the summer months. Just pure speculation.

Studying medicine like the Craigslist killer--maybe working summers as a fisherman? You never know.
For some reason I don't see him as being really young, but who knows.

 

[carbuff]

I was thinking he is a local and away at school/college except for the summer months. Just pure speculation.

It's possible, but he feels like an older person to me. Maybe quite old.

I think he owns or works in some kind of tourist season business -- possibly a restaurant, which would give him access to used clam bags. Though in that part of the island, that kind of bag is probably easy to come by.

Can one of the locals tell me, are there any casinos on LI?

 

[stillwatersc]

Studying medicine like the Craigslist killer--maybe working summers as a fisherman? You never know.
For some reason I don't see him as being really young, but who knows.

You don't have to be young to be a student. Ted Bundy was practically a career student.

 

[svpernin]

It's possible, but he feels like an older person to me. Maybe quite old.

I think he owns or works in some kind of tourist season business -- possibly a restaurant, which would give him access to used clam bags. Though in that part of the island, that kind of bag is probably easy to come by.

Can one of the locals tell me, are there any casinos on LI?

No casinos but I believe there's a gambling ship that runs out of Freeport, LI.

 

[goathairjones]

No. No casinos on LI now. But we may be getting one soon.

 

[tfrohning]

Shannon has a metal rod in her jaw that can easily identify her. Also earlier I found a webcam at Gilgo Beach which shows the freeway and the waves of the ocean. No cars are going through there because the road is closed, but I have to wonder if there is a way for le to review prior dates on the webcam.

Do you have link to that webcam? TIA

 

[goathairjones]

Correct svpernin. There are gambling boats out of Freeport.

 

[chemcopout]

it's gotta be someone local or at least a summer person who is very familiar with the area.
there's 9 bodies there; someone has to be extremely comfortable with this area, the killer has to feel "safe" enough to dump the bodies like he does. it's almost systemic the way he dumps the victims, in a row.

it seems the condition of the remains are bones, they're expecting to find a lot more.

the killer is organized, he's taking everything off (jewelry everything that could make an id easy for le).
the killer does so much in taking every off the girls yet does nothing to really hide the bodies, he dumps them feet off from the roadway.

i am guessing that he is removing all the girls items (just putting them nude into burlap) so that he doesn't leave any type of evidence behind on the girls.
it's possible he might have some type of record in the past, maybe have fingerprints on file.

it just seems odd to go through all the trouble of taking identifiers off these girls, yet then go dump then a few feet from the roadway.

the killer doesn't go through much trouble ridding of the bodies.
yet he goes through trouble taking off their clothes, jewelry, and making sure none of their personal affects is on them.

if someone wanted to rid of bodies so they wouldn't be found, they'd have dumped them out into the atlantic, or buried parts scattered deep in different woods or mountains.

maybe he wanted the bodies to found so people can know of his "work". yet why go through all the trouble of taking earrings out and everything, yet not hide the bodies?

he wants to rid of any evidence to connect him to the bodies, any dna, fibers, that he may have left on the victims.
yet he has to know that dna will help identify the victims. he just makes sure they that nothing is left on the victims that would be connected to him.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

If the guy is a Fisherman why not use the Ocean? He doesn't have his own Boat? Lives with his Parents or Wife but still has a space of his own at times for privacy.

 

[tfrohning]

Maybe the newly discovered bodies are tourists or locals. We don't know they were responding to Craigslist ads.

I understand what she saying but the fact is she don't know that. I think I remember calling one the four a tourist..

 

[ThoughtFox]

The fact that they are finding so many bodies means to me that he is local, well-acquainted with the area, has a reason to be there other than the murders, knows exactly when the roads are dark and deserted, isn't under suspician for anything else, and is probably convinced he will never be caught.

All these missing people - there has to be some link in the past that ties them together. Or he has a job that lets him drive around and choose randomly by appearance.

I don't see him as old, though. He'd have to be strong enough to carry a body in a burlap bag. Maybe in his 40s at the oldest?

 

[tfrohning]

in the other nancy grace, it's mentioned and in the transcript that they are used by fisherman and clammers.

Hmmm do we know if that was said by NG or LE:waitasec:
I do know a lot of us here talk about burlap.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

This is the first time I have heard that no clothes or anything with them. LE hasn't said to this to the Press before. NG may not be a fact.

 

[scandi]

Thanks for verifying that, chemcopout. This makes me feel that the guy is someone local. And/or attached to the fishing industry....

Hi Columbo, Nancy just had Pat Brown on and her field of expertise is SK's. She said this guy, who she believes is a SK, most likely finds a victim, takes her to his home and does his thing, then drives them to the dumping site. She said she thinks he could live in Oaks Beach and is a local.

Why is their no profile from the FBI? If this were a Criminal Minds show the killer would be a white male, age 30 to 50ish, kind of a loner but smart and very organized, probably with a white collar job, has something in his background that is negative with say a mother, wife or GF which is why he leaves them naked and dumps them helter skelter, like thrown from a car {which was suggested on NG although one TH said no, 30 to 40' is too far to throw dead body}. He evidently has no remorse.

Whatever the profile is wouldn't you think LE would make a public announcement of it to get help. To me it seems the guy is fully entrenched in the area so I think he would be uncomfortable moving away. I don't think he can be spooked.

Or, what reasoning would there be for LE to withhold a profile from the public? After a fresh find of 3 and possibly 4 more bodies?

All just speculation.

 

[chemcopout]

honestly, i'm surprised there's not a public profile released by le as well.
my guess, as a lot have guessed, is that he's older, leaning towards 40s.

he takes off the girls jewelry; yet shannon's sisters found one of her earrings on the roads near jbs.
link:

"A couple of weeks after her disappearance, Gilbert's sisters, Sarra and Sherre Gilbert, traveled from upstate Ellenville to investigate on their own. They talked to Brewer and neighbors, walked along the roads and even found one of Gilbert's earrings."

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/after-find-woman-s-family-wants-answers-1.2789666

i'm guessing shannon might have lost one of her earrings while on the phone with 911 frantic that night.

the link and article are older, yet they also mention shannon made one of the 911 calls from jb's residence.
shannon was on the phone with 911 for 23 mins and it went unresponded by le for 45mins. which looks horrible on behalf of le.

even if the killer is a summer person, it could be possible he has burlap sacks around his house (especially if a relative was a clammer or fisherman) or at least he's had access to them.

it doesn't mean the killer is a fisherman or clammer, just he has access to familiar burlap.

i would think if he had a boat, he'd use the atlantic to rid of the bodies. yet if it excites him that the bodies will eventually be found, then he wouldn't go to extreme measures to hide them.

i'm beginning to wonder if le has no suspects and actually doesn't have anything on this guy...

 

[scandi]

The fact that they are finding so many bodies means to me that he is local, well-acquainted with the area, has a reason to be there other than the murders, knows exactly when the roads are dark and deserted, isn't under suspician for anything else, and is probably convinced he will never be caught.

All these missing people - there has to be some link in the past that ties them together. Or he has a job that lets him drive around and choose randomly by appearance.

I don't see him as old, though. He'd have to be strong enough to carry a body in a burlap bag. Maybe in his 40s at the oldest?

Hi ;} Why put the bodies in a burlap bag?

On NG they said the bags are a bit less than waist high to a normal person. The TH also said the bags are seemingly small, leaving one to wonder how he could get a body into it. Yet he did.

We need to know how long the bodies have been dead, right? I'm thinking this guy could be so weird that he would keep the bodies at his residence for awhile before finally tossing them away at the dump site. Maybe once he strips the clothes off and removes all jewelry he then places the body in the bag for safekeeping, maybe even buries it temporarily under a house or a place where animals won't be. IMO only.

Isn't burlap treated with some chemical to keep it from rotting?