NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

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carbuff said:
I think he is almost certainly a summer weekender, or somebody whose employment involves summer weekend businesses. I think he's making appointments for the last day of his weekend, killing then, and dumping them on his way back to wherever he's headed. Here's why. (the * is for the four known bodies)

*Maureen Barnes.....last seen Monday, 7-9-07

This is the Monday after the 4th of July, which was on a Wednesday that year. Lots of people (including us) took Wednesday through Sunday as a very long holiday weekend.

*Melissa Barthelemy.....Last seen, Sunday, 7-12-09

Fourth of July was the weekend before, with many people getting the holiday on July 6. So this might have been the first available weekend.

Shannon Gilbert.......last seen, Saturday, May 1, 2010

This is quite early in the year relative to the others, and on a different day. The circumstances don't seem to necessarily fit, either.

*Megan Waterman.......last seen, Sunday, 6-6-10

An ordinary weekend.

Elena Jazmir Lozada, Missing, Tuesday, 7-6-10

This is the Tuesday after the 4th of July weekend, which was a three-day weekend with Monday the holiday.

*Amber Costello......last seen, Tuesday, 9-7-10

This is the day after Labor Day, which was rather late last year.

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I think one thing we need to do is to look at other missing women around the Fourth of July and Labor Day, especially in 2008 and before 2007. I would say from anywhere in the northeast, or maybe anywhere if she sounds like she might be involved in internet services.
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Bumping up this post from carbuff as we have been tracking missing women based on last seen around a holiday. Carbuff, I respectfully cahnged the identified victims names to red for clarity. Hope that's ok:)

I did wish to add to carbuff's post that Megan Waterman disappeared 6-6-10 which states it was an ordinary weekend. Actually it was only a week or so after Memorial Day.

Here are some others I researched. I can't recall who provided these names that i jotted down in my notes, but thank you to that person. These are missing women......from CT, IIRC.

Judy Rivers, Saturday 8-30-08, Labor Day weekend? rain/ overcast, waning crescent moon.

Maria Claros, Friday, 7-3-09, cloudy, waxing gibbous moon. Independence Day is the following day.

Leslie Colon, Monday 7-13-09, clear, waning gibbous

Elena Jazmir Losada, Tuesday, 7-6-10, clear, waning crescent. Independence Day was 2 days prior.

If Maria and Leslie are victims of this killer, then he was quite busy in July 2009. Leslie was last seen one day after Melissa Barthelemy. This leads me to a gruesome thought. maybe Shannan DID see something at JB's house! I mean, he is an independent businessman, owns a liquor store. If he is boss he doesn't have to answer to anybody about his time. He moving out of that house and the story of the u-haul being loaded in darkness sure is hinky, eh? I am glad the police went back to search that house!

MOO

wm
 
RIGHTEOUS1 said:
What is needed is a Fact sheet that is updated if new facts come out. Not a NG rumor mill. That's the only way proper leads can be thought out. If someone wants to bring in a Physic based on the Facts, great more power to ya. It would be nice if we new what was said on the 911 call from Shannon.
I can understand LE wanting to keep all pertinent information to themselves, is this normal when there are no Suspects?
Good morning.
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RIGHTEOUS1, They may have a suspect but are just holding their cards close to their vest. We just don't know yet!

I also wanted to add a link to the archives of this case for reference for us sleuths. Amandareckonwith is the best for keeping this updated for us!

Case Archives

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Ocean Parkway Murders -NY-/

wm
 
So none of Shannon's 911 calls have been released?

If not, then how do we know she was flipping out on drugs as has been mentioned by some?

Couldn't she have seen or heard or been told something that absolutely frightened her to death leaving her hysterical and in a panic to get away?

She seemed frantic to me.

Imo, Shannon was terrified so much so she thought she had to keep running trying to save herself.

Shannon knew she was in grave danger and it is obvious to me that whomever she was fearful of caught up with her.

IMO
 
After reflecting over the driver /pimp I am now wondering if his name has not been released either because he was the name mentioned on the 911 tape or because he was a witness to something.

LE might need his coroboration and be holding his name back from the media based on that. If he was a suspect when JB name was released his name would have been as well because he was really the last person to see her as she ran into those bushes.

From may until dec. It is seven months from the time SG went missing until the first bodies where found. The boyfriend and the driver searched for SG on may 3 in the gated community. Do we have any information on Family and volunteer searches during that 7 months time span?

Also how did the boyfriend and the driver gain entry to oak beach ,they would have needed a pass right?
 
internetgirl101 said:
Shannan saying "Jones Beach" on the phone, to me, isn't important. She is from Jersey. Maybe she said Jones Beach because that's the only place she was familiar with in that area. I am not from Long Island, and I have never heard of Gilgo, or Oak Beach, but I've heard of Jones Beach, and I know it's popular. Maybe she's been there and knew it was close by.
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I agree, I don't think it is important.

There are 2 possible southerly routes that Shannan would have had to take to get to Oak Beach. One is Wantagh Parkway the other is Robert Moses Causeway. It is more likely that if one is coming from the west that they would take Wantagh Parkway. The signs off of all of the major east-west arteries for Wantagh Parkway say "Wantagh Parkway South, Jones Beach" because Wantagh Parkway ends at Jones Beach. If this is the route that she took to get to JB's house, she would have seen the words "Jones Beach" many, many times while driving, which easily could have convinced her that that was where she was.
 
ElizaAvalon said:
I agree, I don't think it is important.

There are 2 possible southerly routes that Shannan would have had to take to get to Oak Beach. One is Wantagh Parkway the other is Robert Moses Causeway. It is more likely that if one is coming from the west that they would take Wantagh Parkway. The signs off of all of the major east-west arteries for Wantagh Parkway say "Wantagh Parkway South, Jones Beach" because Wantagh Parkway ends at Jones Beach. If this is the route that she took to get to JB's house, she would have seen the words "Jones Beach" many, many times while driving, which easily could have convinced her that that was where she was.
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But when she took her call setting up the date she would have had the oak beach address and would have known that going though gate.

It is a gated community. She had a driver but how would she not know where she was exactly. If she could see where she was driving to then wouldnt there be a huge sign when you go into the comminuty that would have said the name of where she was at? If you had to stop to be let in or get your car pass wouldnt you had read it?
 
Soulmagent said:
But when she took her call setting up the date she would have had the oak beach address and would have known that going though gate.

It is a gated community. She had a driver but how would she not know where she was exactly. If she could see where she was driving to then wouldnt there be a huge sign when you go into the comminuty that would have said the name of where she was at? If you had to stop to be let in or get your car pass wouldnt you had read it?
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No I don't think the gated community is that formal where it would have a huge sign. It's a very laid back beach community. And I think the name of the gated part is not Oak Beach if I'm not mistaken.

I'm just thinking that in her agitated state that after seeing the signs for Jones Beach on her way to JB's house and having heard of Jones Beach and knowing it's popularity, that it would have been very easy to say the first thing that came to her mind if Oak Beach did not.

I don't know if there are any signs in the easterly direction to tell you that you are in Oak Beach. If there are a 100 homes that can use Oak Beach on their return address that would be a lot, IMO.
 
internetgirl101 said:
If you are interested in JB, I looked him up when this is all started and this is part of my notes:

Joseph Brewer White Jeep Grand Cherokee
8 The Fairway
Oak Beach, NY 11702
(area code)321-1495

The name also brouhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002292797272ght up locations in New Hyde Park, Shelter Island Heights, Miller Place, East Meadow, Garden City Park, Oak Beach, West Islip, North Babylon, Ronkonkoma

369 W 2nd St
West Islip, NY 11795-2430
(area code) 321-1495

He is the president of :
Higbie Discount Liquors (631) 422-7523
226 Higbie Ln, Ste B
West Islip, NY If you google map it, ?ironically? there is a U-Haul Company across the street.
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bbm
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3718933065/higbie-discount-liquor--wines-west-islip

I think burning incense in a liquor store is odd. And thanks for all the great sleuthing on this case. I read here every day and think it's by far the best forum. I really hope the burlap bags provide some kind of clue- a stray seed or coffee bean- something!
 
Beach property in a gated community on LI is selling for ONLY $439,000?

I'm shocked! I expected it to be so MUCH more!

eta..Do we know if there's 24/7 security to get in? If so, how far from the house is it & why not run towards there for help? If it was close enough why didn't they hear her screaming? Why didn't any neighbors or did they?

If the 'driver' was after her in the car he'd have to stop & get out to catch her unless there was someone else in the car chasing her on foot?..It seems to me there wasn't which is why she ran into the weeds vs staying on the road..So many Q's! <sigh>
 
The two big things that make me think the john isn't the murderer: she called 911 from his house, from his phone, and apparently with his knowledge, and she didn't want to leave. She only ran after the driver came to get her, when it was clear she was going to be forcibly removed.

Somebody asked upthread about how we know she was on drugs. The driver and the neighbor who answered the door she was pounding on both said she was high. Her poster says she's bipolar and into drugs, so flipping out into total paranoia is a definite possibility.
 
@carbuff

I agree it really makes me doubt the John (JB) is the killer. Articles I've read state the "driver" waited outside the gated community for three hours.

If he was, in fact, waiting inside a vehicle outside of the community gates, did she enter the community on foot? did she walk to the johns home from the gate? Could she have seen something while walking? OR could she have set out to walk from the John's home after their "Party" and seen something then and ran back to the Johns house, where she then called 911 and refused to leave.

When the driver then entered the gated community to try to get her to leave - either she was terrified of the driver (?) OR she didn't think he could keep her safe?


It would be beyond all odds to think that she was just heavily drugged and having a psychotic break -- and while running off into the brush happened upon a serial killer disposing of a body -- so he had to kill her. I mean what would the odds be for something like that?
 
On a number of Web sites you can look up just about anything on anyone, Including Criminal Records, Arrests, Phone Numbers, Cell Numbers it goes on. Intelius is one that I know of, they all cost Money though. Lexus Nexus is one that I have heard is excellent for Information. As you guys know many free sites have info. Imagine what LE can get.
 
kikid said:
It would be beyond all odds to think that she was just heavily drugged and having a psychotic break -- and while running off into the brush happened upon a serial killer disposing of a body -- so he had to kill her. I mean what would the odds be for something like that?
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Too much of coincidence for me.....I think the odds would be astronomical.
 
scandi said:
In Dec LE thought the pimp could be a POI per an article I read. Are the pimp and the BF the same person?

ETA: Whoops !! I just read in Internetgirl's link above that the driver and the pimp were the same person. Do you guys think it was the Asian man who was the pimp and driver?
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No I didn't think so. :waitasec: I'm not sure how that post proved that either. Is that a MSM link about the pimp being the driver, who is also the Asian man that was seen looking for Shannon?
 
carbuff said:
The two big things that make me think the john isn't the murderer: she called 911 from his house, from his phone, and apparently with his knowledge, and she didn't want to leave. She only ran after the driver came to get her, when it was clear she was going to be forcibly removed.

Somebody asked upthread about how we know she was on drugs. The driver and the neighbor who answered the door she was pounding on both said she was high. Her poster says she's bipolar and into drugs, so flipping out into total paranoia is a definite possibility.
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Yes, I agree.
 
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