NY-Long Island-Four bodies found on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #1

[Julessleuther]

Have been following this case, as I spent half my summers at grandparents on LI, and am familiar with this area.

Interesting to me that all the girls went missing in summer/late summer dates. Maybe someone with a summer house near by? I think they are going to find more bodies. The serial killer most likely did not kill once from 2007-2009, and then twice in 2010. I would think they could go through Craigslist archives and connect the dots???

 

[Tugela]

Some women run their own private escort services which do advertise on Craigslist or other similar places. But you're right, an escort service is just that -- a place where you can get a respectable date. You need to be intelligent, able to converse on a wide variety of topics with lots of strangers, well-dressed, and have good manners. Age, body type, and willingness to work after hours are not usually factors. I had a friend who put herself through graduate school as a paid date for visiting academics who just didn't want to eat dinner alone every night.

Ummm..I hate to tell you this but that isn't right. That is what they say they do, to avoid getting arrested for solicitation, and you pay them for their "time", but it is with an understanding that there will be sex. The agency will say (and usually you will see this in their advertisments) that the fee is for the girls time/company and nothing else. Anything else that might happen is between "consenting adults" and has nothing to do with the agency. This allows them to circumvent laws restricting prostitution.

 

[Steely Dan]

I just found this article on the web. I hope it hasn't already been posted. I doubt it has because it's from yesterday.

Craiglist serial killer? Cops ID 3 more missing prostitutes found dumped along Long Island beach
BY Kerry Burke and Lukas I. Alpert
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Originally Published:Monday, January 24th 2011, 2:14 PM
Updated: Monday, January 24th 2011, 7:58 PM

Cops fear a craigslist serial killer is on the loose after confirming that three missing hookers advertised online were among the bodies dumped on a Long Island beach.

Suffolk County cops on Monday identified the skeletal remains as Melissa Barthelemy, 24, who lived in the Bronx; Amber Lynn Costello, 27, of North Babylon, L.I., and Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, of Norwich, Conn.

It appears the seaside sicko may be hunting a certain type of prostitute - all three were tiny women under 5 feet and about 100 pounds....

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...utes_found_dumped_along_lo.html#ixzz1C3dsVPiT

 

[carbuff]

Ummm..I hate to tell you this but that isn't right. That is what they say they do, to avoid getting arrested for solicitation, and you pay them for their "time", but it is with an understanding that there will be sex. The agency will say (and usually you will see this in their advertisments) that the fee is for the girls time/company and nothing else. Anything else that might happen is between "consenting adults" and has nothing to do with the agency. This allows them to circumvent laws restricting prostitution.

SOME of them certainly do this and always have. These days it might even be the majority.

The woman I know who put herself through grad school said there were some code words you could use on the phone call to tell them you weren't into the sex aspect. "I don't work after hours" was one of them.

 

[Tugela]

SOME of them certainly do this and always have. These days it might even be the majority.

The woman I know who put herself through grad school said there were some code words you could use on the phone call to tell them you weren't into the sex aspect. "I don't work after hours" was one of them.

I would say 99%+ of them do. They will of course go for dinner as well but when someone is paying them $300 an hour you know what they are going to be doing next. There is no code. Everyone who uses them expects that they will provide sexual services, and it is not usually discussed beforehand due to the potential for LE entrapment of both parties.

And your friend getting paid to go to dinner with visiting academics, I don't buy that. Academics dont have so much money that they could afford to hire someone just for a dinner date (and I bet the SO would be REAL happy about it if they did), and that would certainly not qualify as an expense at any university. In any case, any visiting academic would likely have graduate students/post docs lining up for free dinner and a chance to network, they wouldn't have to pay anyone if that was all that was involved.

 

[Reannan]

So, now that we know they were all call girls, and that Joe Brewer likes call girls, does that put him back in #1 place as a suspect?

If I were in LE in Long Island, I would be on Joe Brewer like white on rice!

 

[Reannan]

Have been following this case, as I spent half my summers at grandparents on LI, and am familiar with this area.

Interesting to me that all the girls went missing in summer/late summer dates. Maybe someone with a summer house near by? I think they are going to find more bodies. The serial killer most likely did not kill once from 2007-2009, and then twice in 2010. I would think they could go through Craigslist archives and connect the dots???

Jules, I also had the same thought about the last date of contact with these four ladies being in the summer/late summer time frame. It does sound like maybe the murderer could have been someone visiting. It would be interesting to see if there were any similar UID body types found in surrounding states. Where do most of the Long Island vacationers come from? I am from South Carolina, and Myrtle Beach is known to have "Canadian Week" when a lot of people from Canada come down, and "Bike Week" when the motorcyle crew shows up - from everywhere!!! Is there a particular area that is known to frequent the Long Island area for summer vacations?

 

[Tugela]

I bet these ladies were "amateur" escorts and that might account for the summer timing. Professional escorts take precautions to protect themselves but amateurs mostly don't and consequently are much more vulnerable. The guy doing this is a predator and he probably wouldn't target a professional due to the risk of having an irate pimp kicking his door down an hour later. If he didn't get a feel for what sort of escort she was on their first meeting I wouldn't be surprised if he had seen these girls multiple times, until he was sure he could take them without too much risk to himself.

Unfortunately it will probably be hard for LE to figure that out since these girls don't keep records and most of their clients use fake names and throw-away cell phones to ensure confidentiality.

 

[Reannan]

Unfortunately it will probably be hard for LE to figure that out since these girls don't keep records and most of their clients use fake names and throw-away cell phones to ensure confidentiality.

SBM: Yes, but Craig's List would have IP addresses of whoever contacted them. How freaking hard can it be to look for the same IP address in 4 (or 5) people's Craig's List accounts??? Maybe he changes computers or has a roaming IP address... I can guarantee you there is something about him that is consistent from contact to contact. They should just give us access to the info.... we would do it in record time!!! AGHH!!!! This case is starting to drive me nuts! FOUR dead girls, all with a common denominator??? A 5th girl - WITH THE SAME DENOMINATOR (Craig's List) missing!!!! Something isn't adding up here.

 

[Tugela]

Not necessarily, the girls use cell phones themselves for contact.

 

[Tugela]

And ya, there will be a 5th girl, the one they were looking for in the first place. Likely others we don't know about as well if he has more graveyards.

 

[tfrohning]

SBM: Yes, but Craig's List would have IP addresses of whoever contacted them. How freaking hard can it be to look for the same IP address in 4 (or 5) people's Craig's List accounts??? Maybe he changes computers or has a roaming IP address... I can guarantee you there is something about him that is consistent from contact to contact. They should just give us access to the info.... we would do it in record time!!! AGHH!!!! This case is starting to drive me nuts! FOUR dead girls, all with a common denominator??? A 5th girl - WITH THE SAME DENOMINATOR (Craig's List) missing!!!! Something isn't adding up here.

If he like on wiwi would ip address be different?

We still got the AC murders never solve?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41264161/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

NEW YORK — A call made from a missing prostitute's cell phone on the day she was last seen alive came from a town near where her body was found more than a year later in a grisly scene foretold by a psychic, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

Melissa Barthelemy was last seen in the Bronx on July 12, 2009. But a call made to her voicemail that day came from Massapequa, a Long Island town about 20 miles from where her body and the bodies of three other prostitutes were found dumped on a desolate stretch of beachfront last December, the official said.

MORE AT LINK

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[chemcopout]

Thanks for explaining.

I am not sure he felt all that cockiness or enjoyed his crimes being in the news. He seemed to like keeping his secrets. The failure to try to use his narcissistic personality in a trial and his writing Megans name in his own blood before his death his me doubting he was narcissistc .

I just wondered if his comfort zone and excitement level may have maxed out
if he had been killing before ,in the fashion that the AC murderer had. to people with less risky life styles. He then changes his MO ,weapon etc..so now he is trying to get to a comfort level and hadnt got there before the victim forced his hand. I think his gambling habit took the number one spot with him and failures in that triggered other crimes.

So all in all I think he should be compared in some unsolved cases.

Anyway there is no way he could have been involved in Megans abduction and murder but it is scary to think how many people are out there who do this sort of thing.

your welcome soul
you very well may be right on his excitement level being maxed out if he had been killing before. the thing about "serial killers" is that they usually don't devolve. they learn from how they kill and start to mold their m.o. and may grow bolder. the ac killer posed his victims; what i don't understand is why if say in the circumstance it was markoff, why did he end up not killing all the girls (he had only killed the one) and if you are to compare ac and markoff's victims they are extremely different.


markoff was in arrested and in custody in april 2009; waterman has been missing only since this past summer, so i'd rule markoff out.

profilers had profiled him on a tv program and said that it was markoff's cockiness that caused him to go to these hotels without a disguise on, he was in plain site. that's where i had got that from.

there's just a lot of serial killers out there, it's scary..

 

[Linda7NJ]

:truce:

Ummm..I hate to tell you this but that isn't right. That is what they say they do, to avoid getting arrested for solicitation, and you pay them for their "time", but it is with an understanding that there will be sex. The agency will say (and usually you will see this in their advertisments) that the fee is for the girls time/company and nothing else. Anything else that might happen is between "consenting adults" and has nothing to do with the agency. This allows them to circumvent laws restricting prostitution.

You are absolutely correct. Long before Craig's List, many years ago, when I was about 18 years old. I answered an agency ad in my local newspaper. I had been lured in by the promise of making a ton of money for simply accompanying men to fine dining establishments and conversation. I thought it would be perfect, I loved to eat and talk!

The "agency" even had a storefront. The owner met me for the interview where he tried to explain to me the prostitution angle with subtle buzz words that went completely over my head. I was naive and had dollar signs dancing in my eyes. THANKFULLY, the guy said look, you seem like a nice girl and this isn't a job for you. He actually came out and told me I would be expected to engage in sexual activities, to go home and not answer another ad like his, he said they were all the same. To say I was shocked and appalled would be an understatement!

 

[chemcopout]

Ok i'm sorry but am I the only one that thinks there is one serial killer for LI, Atlantic City and for the killings in New mexico??

we can't forget the daytona,fl killings as well, that killer was never caught.
imo, i think it's different killers doing these murders

 

[chemcopout]

I just found this article on the web. I hope it hasn't already been posted. I doubt it has because it's from yesterday.

Craiglist serial killer? Cops ID 3 more missing prostitutes found dumped along Long Island beach
BY Kerry Burke and Lukas I. Alpert
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Originally Published:Monday, January 24th 2011, 2:14 PM
Updated: Monday, January 24th 2011, 7:58 PM

Cops fear a craigslist serial killer is on the loose after confirming that three missing hookers advertised online were among the bodies dumped on a Long Island beach.

Suffolk County cops on Monday identified the skeletal remains as Melissa Barthelemy, 24, who lived in the Bronx; Amber Lynn Costello, 27, of North Babylon, L.I., and Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, of Norwich, Conn.

It appears the seaside sicko may be hunting a certain type of prostitute - all three were tiny women under 5 feet and about 100 pounds....

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...utes_found_dumped_along_lo.html#ixzz1C3dsVPiT

thank you for posting this link, imo i think it's very important that all 3 were under 5 ft and around 100lbs. these are small girls, it's possible that the killer is small himself and specifically picks small girls since he knows he can overpower him.
maybe the killer has small man syndrome.

also in this article below, it mentions a man using one of the victims cell phones to harass her family:

"Taunting calls to the sister of a craigslist serial killer victim - calling the missing hooker "a *advertiser censored*" - were made from the heart of Manhattan, sources said Tuesday.

Melissa Barthelemy, 24, was last seen alive July 12, 2009, but her sister in Buffalo got calls from her cellphone on July 16, 19 and 23, sources said.

"Do you know what your sister is doing? She's a *advertiser censored*," a man menacingly said."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_..._cops_slain_hookers_phone_used_in_july_i.html

i'd put money on that the caller is the killer, who has a deep hatred of prostitutes for some reason.

another thing all 4 have in common is that they aren't originally from ny, or have only moved to ny
barthelemy moved to ny 5 years ago to be a stripper
costello recently returned to ny from living in clearwater,fl area

craigslist offers the anonymity of the interaction through computers, rather than going up to a street corner to pick up a girl, the killer can hide behind a screen until they meet.

i also don't understand why le hasn't traced ips to anything or if they have..

 

[SpyBunny]

I believe the killer is from Massapequa or that area where she checked her phone messages probaly before she went to meet him In Massapequa or possibly after she landed In that area, he is probaly a family man and chooses the long distance girls because either he built up trust from them by seeing them before or he has to send a money order to them, How did theses girls know he was legit especially travelling hours to get to Long island ,,I bet he uses Public computers such as Libaries, fire houses, offices to Look them Up, he uses Public phones for sure and not too many usually around train stations and food stores,mmm

 

[tfrohning]

Three critical signatures of the Atlantic City serial killer include four murders within a month, the absence of shoes on the victims and ligature or manual strangulation. The bodies were displayed in a line in the bay weeds.


The critical signatures of the Long Island killer, if the murders were all from the same person, is the manner of murder and the use of burlap bags. The bags can be tracked by the FBI Evidence Unit by analysis of fibers and the location where they were made or sold. These women were also laid out in a group along a desolate road and in the scrub weeds of the beach

http://www.examiner.com/city-hall-i...ectives-busy-with-clues-serial-killer-murders

The Atlantic City victims were also all discovered wearing no shoes, and had died as a result of stangulation.

 

[carbuff]

we can't forget the daytona,fl killings as well, that killer was never caught.
imo, i think it's different killers doing these murders

There was also a rash of similar killings outside of New Bedford, MA a few years back (New Bedford Highway killer. There were a couple of suspects but no evidence to connect them. As I recall, they were all small women as well, but I'm having trouble pulling up more information than the basics.

(ETA: all 9 murders happened within a space of about 4 months, similar to the AC murders)

In the summer, there's direct ferry service from New Bedford to Montauk LI. Still quite a drive to where the bodies were found but a lot shorter than driving around the long way. It's a fairly common way for Boston-area people bound to NYC to go.

As for tracing through Craigslist -- it's unlikely they have much information. Most contact would be through the women's personal phones or email, which wouldn't leave tracks in Craigslist. They can try to look through all four women's phone records for commonalities, but that's a very painstaking and time consuming task.