NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 4

[CuriousAmI]

Regarding reporters, is it safe to say only IM gave reporters details?

Regarding receipt from Arrow, there is no evidence of a receipt. It has never been stated by IM there is a receipt. I had previously posted I don't believe IM was at Arrow June 14. He could have been there around June 14, but again no concrete evidence. It is stated in FAQ on FB, and maybe in a news report, that IM went to Arrow herself in late June, on the advice of his co-workers. To me, this also means she only spoke to his co- workers in late June.

Regarding neighbor video camera, IIRC, the car was supposedly seen only driving by the neighbors house, Mayer driveway was not visible in camera shot. This video has never been shown to the public.

Also, the FB page folks listened to police scanners and there was a call to police about a disoriented man with dark hair who knocked on someone's door and they called the police. IM said on FB she went to the house herself (got address from scanner) to speak to the homeowners. IM said it wasn't RM they saw that night, but that she had made a nice friend (homeowner). I always wondered why IM went to this house and not LE.

 

[McSpy]

Agree! The scrap yard doesn't fit for me either. This was going to be such a busy weekend (oysters and lobster and such, remember), why take the time to stop by a scrapyard for a minimal transaction? And, if he left of his own accord, what good is, say, $50.00 going to do him? Wonder if the cash from the scrapyard was with the receipt or in his wallet?

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I'm thinking it all depends on the type of guy he is . . Maybe he wanted the scrap out of his car. Maybe it wasn't so much about the money. Some people would push that errand off for another day, but maybe RM wanted to get it off his list of things to do. The Mayers look like neat and tidy people to me.

Just thinking out loud . . .

 

[McSpy]

Regarding reporters, is it safe to say only IM gave reporters details?

Regarding re

ceipt from Arrow, there is no evidence of a receipt. It has never been stated by IM there is a receipt. I had previously posted I don't believe IM was at Arrow June 14. He could have been there around June 14, but again no concrete evidence. It is stated in FAQ on FB, and maybe in a news report, that IM went to Arrow herself in late June, on the advice of his co-workers. To me, this also means she only spoke to his co- workers in late June.
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Regarding neighbor video camera, IIRC, the car was supposedly seen only driving by the neighbors house, Mayer driveway was not visible in camera shot. This video has never been shown to the public.

Also, the FB page folks listened to police scanners and there was a call to police about a disoriented man with dark hair who knocked on someone's door and they called the police. IM said on FB she went to the house herself (got address from scanner) to speak to the homeowners. IM said it wasn't RM they saw that night, but that she had made a nice friend (homeowner). I always wondered why IM went to this house and not LE.

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Does a scrap yard need to keep records of their transactions, including the identity of the sellers? Pawn shops in my area have to keep books on every transaction along with the identity of the seller.

 

[McSpy]

Good point McSpy--a reason for proving RM arrived and RM left are very different than a reason for proving RM arrived with an individual and/or left with an individual.

Are you referring to the scrap yard's cameras?

 

[CuriousAmI]

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Does a scrap yard need to keep records of their transactions, including the identity of the sellers? Pawn shops in my area have to keep books on every transaction along with the identity of the seller.

I believe so but the term "minimal transaction" provided by IM just sets up a red flag for me. No dollar amount, no receipt, just the phrase. Does the phrase mean no record of the transaction has to be recorded? How convenient if so. I just don't buy the scrap yard story. I think he went there, just not on June 14.

 

[cluciano63]

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I'm thinking it all depends on the type of guy he is . . Maybe he wanted the scrap out of his car. Maybe it wasn't so much about the money. Some people would push that errand off for another day, but maybe RM wanted to get it off his list of things to do. The Mayers look like neat and tidy people to me.

Just thinking out loud . . .

I thought about that too, but then leaving the car where he did, I don't know, none of it makes sense, really. I guess if you are taking off for good, every dollar helps.

 

[McSpy]

I believe so but the term "minimal transaction" provided by IM just sets up a red flag for me. No dollar amount, no receipt, just the phrase. Does the phrase mean no record of the transaction has to be recorded? How convenient if so. I just don't buy the scrap yard story. I think he went there, just not on June 14.

Does the scrap yard have a matching receipt? If so, the date would be on it.
My question: Is the seller's ID connected to their transaction? If so, then it would prove whether he was there that day or not.

 

[McSpy]

Wonder if he drove in to work with someone or left work with someone? This article suggests he could have done that:

Peculiarly, the driver’s seat had been moved closer to the steering wheel than Robert usually kept it. Though he would sometimes meet with coworkers to travel into the city, Ida says that he would not allow anyone else to drive the Pontiac, describing him as “very possessive of his car.” Robert is also not fond of taking trains, abandoning that method of commuting 5-6 years ago, and is particularly distrustful of the Deer Park train station. A lack of security presence and surveillance cameras at the station made him worry that his car, like many others, would be broken into if he left it there.

“He… didn't trust that train station as there are many cars broken into. If he were to take that train he would borrow another car to leave at [the] station,” said Ida.

http://www.longisland.com/news/07-17-13/dix-hills-man-robert-mayer-missing-for-over-a-month.html​

 

[Jerry516]

I believe so but the term "minimal transaction" provided by IM just sets up a red flag for me. No dollar amount, no receipt, just the phrase. Does the phrase mean no record of the transaction has to be recorded? How convenient if so. I just don't buy the scrap yard story. I think he went there, just not on June 14.

Right on Curious!
Because of no new facts or evidence, we must keep rehashing the same old stuff. I totally agree with this-----although any receipt can be modified or made up, assuming Arrow was playing by the rules, the receipt can prove a lot if one actually exists.

But does IM have a physical receipt? Did they give her a duplicate printout when she went? Were they able to Pull it up by his name and it showed the date and time he was there?

Remember IM went to scrap yard approx 2 weeks after June 14. She states he was seen there, transaction was "minimal" So is she relying on an employees memory from 2 weeks prior? His memory on the exact date and time that a "regular" showed up? On his memory of the dollar amount of the transaction? I find this hard to believe, so she must have some sort of receipt. And what does receipt say? Copper? Or some other metals that possibly tools can be made of? Hard drive? Cell phone? Details Details Details.....and we have so few

 

[Angel629]

I decided to look at the website for the Suffolk County Police Department, to see if it was where I had previously found a link for local missing persons. It apparently wasn't, but I noticed a section called "Press Releases" that lists every imaginable type of incident that has taken place in their jurisdiction (crimes of every kind, accidents, fires, etc.), going back months. There is no mention of RM being missing. Once again, these entries are not limited to crimes, so that can't be the reason for it's exclusion. The week following RM's disappearance, the rescue of a kitten got it's own "Press Release". Why would RM's disappearance NOT be news? I can't help but read something into it's exclusion/oversight. :facepalm:

http://apps.suffolkcountyny.gov/police/morepress.htm

 

[McSpy]

The idea that he left for work at 4:30 am to be at work at 7 am seems a tad odd to me. IM said he was running late too. Getting up at 4:30 am makes more sense to me-- not leaving at that time. Let's face it, supposedly the guy didn't even shave. Maybe he did leave the house at 4:30 am, because he was meeting someone for breakfast? I'm thinking this timeline is a little off . . . don't know.

Just some thoughts . . .

 

[windstorm]

The idea that he left for work at 4:30 am to be at work at 7 am seems a tad odd to me. IM said he was running late too. Getting up at 4:30 am makes more sense to me-- not leaving at that time. Let's face it, supposedly the guy didn't even shave. Maybe he did leave the house at 4:30 am, because he was meeting someone for breakfast? I'm thinking this timeline is a little off . . . don't know.

Just some thoughts . . .

I've had some thoughts about this, too. I.M. says he is possibly "unshaven". Yet, in every picture of him that is posted, he looks fairly clean shaven. There has been mention before of his phone possibly dying mid afternoon with not a lot of usage. Is it possible that they were arguing the night before and he wasn't even at home that morning? Maybe left without charging his phone and/or being able to shave?

Just throwing random thoughts out there....

On another note, if he had an iPhone and was texting someone else on an iPhone at any point, that wouldn't show up on a texting printout due to iMessage. Same with a Blackberry and BBM.

On yet another note, if he had a smartphone and the wi-fi was turned on, it is possible for the phone to search for wi-fi signals constantly and be drained fairly quickly.

 

[Angel629]

(Addendum to my post above, #930.)

I even considered that the SCPD was being careful about mentioning it right away (as it could have turned out to be...a misunderstanding), but over ten weeks I think they could have mentioned it at some point. They could have slipped it into a story about the search conducted by Long Island SAR. Their stories (criminal or not) mention the names of those involved, so it's not as if it's an anonymous-type "police blotter". Why would a local man's disappearance not be news (within the community)?

 

[Jerry516]

What makes you say that? There has been plenty of talk about the yard.

Going back to FB for a minute, as much as I knock it, I was seriously hoping one of those Newsday or Daily News contacts would come through..... Again, I understand LE claims no crime committed, but the power of this media simply in their circulation numbers, never mind their online editions, would be a HUGE help. Having his pics and info on a page in a major newspaper would certainly bring in some sort of tips.

Instead all I see is Kanye West and KK, and their baby featured. Never mind the Lindsay Lohan crap. And now people protesting Ben as being the new Batman. But never a mention of this missing man...PATHETIC!!

 

[Clemenza]

I decided to look at the website for the Suffolk County Police Department, to see if it was where I had previously found a link for local missing persons. It apparently wasn't, but I noticed a section called "Press Releases" that lists every imaginable type of incident that has taken place in their jurisdiction (crimes of every kind, accidents, fires, etc.), going back months. There is no mention of RM being missing. Once again, these entries are not limited to crimes, so that can't be the reason for it's exclusion. The week following RM's disappearance, the rescue of a kitten got it's own "Press Release". Why would RM's disappearance NOT be news? I can't help but read something into it's exclusion/oversight. :facepalm:

http://apps.suffolkcountyny.gov/police/morepress.htm

This is a list of actual events. Shootings, stabbings, car accidents, boating accidents etc. Every single phone call if a complaint or reported missing etc is not listed.

 

[McSpy]

I've had some thoughts about this, too. I.M. says he is possibly "unshaven". Yet, in every picture of him that is posted, he looks fairly clean shaven. There has been mention before of his phone possibly dying mid afternoon with not a lot of usage. Is it possible that they were arguing the night before and he wasn't even at home that morning? Maybe left without charging his phone and/or being able to shave?

Just throwing random thoughts out there....

On another note, if he had an iPhone and was texting someone else on an iPhone at any point, that wouldn't show up on a texting printout due to iMessage. Same with a Blackberry and BBM.

On yet another note, if he had a smartphone and the wi-fi was turned on, it is possible for the phone to search for wi-fi signals constantly and be drained fairly quickly.

This is possible. Some people who don't use technology all the time often make this mistake. You see it on the iphone troubleshooting forums (battery drain issues). IIRC, IM said he wasn't that tech savvy. IMO, he didn't need to be for his occupation, so he probably only knew the basics (email, texting, etc.). Also, it is possible he didn't have the habit of keeping the phone charged.

 

[Momoffourboys]

The idea that he left for work at 4:30 am to be at work at 7 am seems a tad odd to me. IM said he was running late too. Getting up at 4:30 am makes more sense to me-- not leaving at that time. Let's face it, supposedly the guy didn't even shave. Maybe he did leave the house at 4:30 am, because he was meeting someone for breakfast? I'm thinking this timeline is a little off . . . don't know.

Just some thoughts . . .

I've had an issue with this all along.
IM had said that he was running late that morning...but also that he left at 4:30 AM. If that is late, when did he usually leave? And why so early if work started at 6 or 7??
At that time there is no traffic from dix hills to brooklyn...1 hour max to travel.

For some reason, my gut tells me he did not just up and leave his kids. It takes a real #%¥£€ to do that and he just is not portrayed as THAT guy.

But then again...i go back to the source. And every bit of info comes from one source.

As for RM not being mentioned in ANY LE logs or press releases...i am not surprised, as, it seems they have no involvement in this case.....the reason behind that is probably what will solve this case. IMO.
:scared::scared::scared:

 

[cluciano63]

Not to say he wasn't a great guy-great family man...but no one else has come forward to agree or disagree with this picture of him. Where is his boss, for example? Hoping people are concerned, worried and missing him, even if they choose to stay away from the public.

 

[Jerry516]

I've had an issue with this all along.
IM had said that he was running late that morning...but also that he left at 4:30 AM. If that is late, when did he usually leave? And why so early if work started at 6 or 7??
At that time there is no traffic from dix hills to brooklyn...1 hour max to travel.

For some reason, my gut tells me he did not just up and leave his kids. It takes a real #%¥£€ to do that and he just is not portrayed as THAT guy.

But then again...i go back to the source. And every bit of info comes from one source.

As for RM not being mentioned in ANY LE logs or press releases...i am not surprised, as, it seems they have no involvement in this case.....the reason behind that is probably what will solve this case. IMO.
:scared::scared::scared:

Of course we are not entitled to this information, nor is it our business, but a clear look at the finances and bank account activity may shed some light and possibly be the answer to it all. Every picture IM posts seems to have big money behind it----cruises, casinos, vacations, huge house, etc... Etc....i agree that he doesn't seem like a guy that could walk, but its not easy to keep up with this lifestyle. Not sure what union electricians make, but even 100k doesn't go far with these kinds of expenses. Maybe the pressure to keep up got to him.....who knows. Let's just hope he's alive somewhere.

 

[Jerry516]

Just a few random thoughts---

--IM stated about a month of ago she was tired of waiting--it was "time to go public". Did any new info come out?

--There was a post on FB that someone may have spotted RM on a train in Boston. Does anyone know of any follow up? Posters on FB mentioned that she was just a kid, don't jump to conclusions, some even dismissed it. I think ANY tip is crucial, so I'm wondering if anything came of it?