NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 8

[Born2succeed]

Let's stop a second and mull something over....

Say he did plan to go for a bike ride (money and cell phone in the drawers in the garage) and put the bike in the car. Why would he park the car at the train station? Is there a better and safer place to park in close proximity to the Preserve? Is it plausible that he felt the train station parking would be safer for the car than the lot at the Preserve?

Wth regard to the fact no scent was detected at the train station, the SAR K9 shown in the video is a German Shepherd. On average, they tend to be air scent dogs and in many cases do not discriminate one individual from another in a search area (there are exceptions). I am not saying this particular dog is not a ground scent dog, but I will note that one of the better and more common breeds of ground scent dogs is a bloodhound. So let's place the lack of scent at the train station aside due to type of dog and scent conditions and move forward.

Which video? Was it one of the search?

 

[Trackergd]

Except, that may not be type of dog that was brought to the train station on June 15th.

Very true. I am going by the dog breed shown on the video and my experience working with that breed on SAR cases over the years.

Until such time as LISAR or the Park Ranger feels inclined to share with me the type of dog used, I am on the fence. I would also submit that the conditions at the train station are not conducive to scent detection unless the dog is on site within about 3 hours or less given heat, contamination by other humans, and auto exhaust/other powerful conflicting scents.

 

[Vedder]

:abduction:

Because it is not sensational enough for the news. It appears as though this guy just got fed up and took off. That's how the story reads.

What I am interested in, why the MANHUNT after he left?

Media is more interested in women who go missing. It's a shame, but that's how it is.

Why the manhunt? Because a man is missing.

 

[Trackergd]

Which video? Was it one of the search?

Google Long Island Search and Rescue and scroll down the page. There is a video showing a Shepherd in a cage at 1:19. I cannot tell if it is at the Preserve or at the train station.

If you look at the left on their home page, they have a link on SAR Dogs and pictures of their K9 resources. It looks as if they do have both air and ground scent dogs. Good to know, and I would assume they know when to deploy the correct dog for the task.

I am still (from my experience) setting the lack of scent aside as I do not think the conditions were optimal at the train station for good scent detection. Not the fault of the dog or LISAR at all. You work with what you have been given and hope for the best.

Having looked at this all again, I think LISAR has used the correct resources for the task at hand. I would like to find out if they plan a more extensive search.

 

[Codger]

Whew I didn't dream it up. Here is the quote I referred to earlier.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - #1

I saw an article about a woman on cnn.com who walked away from her life, and was found in the Florida Keys 20 years later. The interesting thing I took away was the statistic in the article which said that it is less than 5% of missing person cases where the person "walked away" from their life.
Here is the article:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/pen...oman-reappears

From the article

LaDonna Meredith, president and co-founder of Let's Bring Them Home, an organization whose mission is to "provide safety education for children and adults as well as critical resources to families with missing loved ones" said a missing person case in which the adult chooses to leave is rare.
"It happens less than 5% of the time," Meredith wrote in an e-mail to CNN.

There, I can now relax with my :cup: after much anic: that I had never really seen this + somehow created it on my own.

 

[Drib]

Let's stop a second and mull something over....

Say he did plan to go for a bike ride (money and cell phone in the drawers in the garage) and put the bike in the car. Why would he park the car at the train station? Is there a better and safer place to park in close proximity to the Preserve? Is it plausible that he felt the train station parking would be safer for the car than the lot at the Preserve?

Wth regard to the fact no scent was detected at the train station, the SAR K9 shown in the video is a German Shepherd. On average, they tend to be air scent dogs and in many cases do not discriminate one individual from another in a search area (there are exceptions). I am not saying this particular dog is not a ground scent dog, but I will note that one of the better and more common breeds of ground scent dogs is a bloodhound. So let's place the lack of scent at the train station aside due to type of dog and scent conditions and move forward.

He left wallet, money, cell and put bike in his car. Drove to train station took bike out of backseat and rode his bike to the preserve across the street and killed himself. Body hasn't been found yet. This is the conclusion I have come too.

 

[Curious Cathy]

Media is more interested in women who go missing. It's a shame, but that's how it is.

Why the manhunt? Because a man is missing.

It should be a search, a vigil, a community looking for a man.

 

[desensitized]

I'm not ruling out suicide, but I still believe he left to avoid maintenance costs of divorce. (at least that's what I'm hoping for)

 

[Force Ten]

:abduction:

Because it is not sensational enough for the news. It appears as though this guy just got fed up and took off. That's how the story reads.

What I am interested in, why the MANHUNT after he left?

Not sure what you mean by 'Manhunt'. That is a term typically applied to a fugitive. This is not the case.

 

[Trackergd]

He left wallet, money, cell and put bike in his car. Drove to train station took bike out of backseat and rode his bike to the preserve across the street and killed himself. Body hasn't been found yet. This is the conclusion I have come too.

Or met with misfortune or foul play in the Preserve or on the way in or out of the Preserve.

Odd that he would not park in the lot at the Preserve unless he wanted the car to be found quickly were he not to come back.

 

[Drib]

I'm not ruling out suicide, but I still believe he left to avoid maintenance costs of divorce. (at least that's what I'm hoping for)

My guess, and only a guess is it has had to be very difficult to maintain their lifestyle on only one income. It seems superficially that they are still living as if they have 2 incomes. The pressure could have finally gotten to him and he just couldn't take it anymore. Nothing else IMO makes sense other than he left voluntarily and I believe to commit suicide. No evidence of foul play, no body, no communication. Leaving all that stuff behind just makes me feel he wasn't coming back. Why would you go back out and leave money your cell and wallet behind?

 

[Force Ten]

It should be a search, a vigil, a community looking for a man.

There was searches and the community has been looking for him. <modsnip>

 

[Drib]

Or met with misfortune or foul play in the Preserve or on the way in or out of the Preserve.

Odd that he would not park in the lot at the Preserve unless he wanted the car to be found quickly were he not to come back.

Maybe kind of a clue where to find him. I don't think he deserted his family and figured his body would be found quickly. Unfortunately this has been more and more common these days. Thank gosh he didn't kill the whole family.

 

[Codger]

8 Threads later + my theories are the same as I started with. :sigh:
There are holes in each of them, some big enough to drive a freight train through. When I come back to what is the simplest explanation of what little we know, I don't like it. :notgood: So I start all over looking for a happier ending. I hope for his family's sake they have answers soon, whatever they may be.

Where is Robert?

 

[cluciano63]

What is the simplest explanation in this case? I don't even know that much.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Let's stop a second and mull something over....

Say he did plan to go for a bike ride (money and cell phone in the drawers in the garage) and put the bike in the car. Why would he park the car at the train station? Is there a better and safer place to park in close proximity to the Preserve? Is it plausible that he felt the train station parking would be safer for the car than the lot at the Preserve?

Wth regard to the fact no scent was detected at the train station, the SAR K9 shown in the video is a German Shepherd. On average, they tend to be air scent dogs and in many cases do not discriminate one individual from another in a search area (there are exceptions). I am not saying this particular dog is not a ground scent dog, but I will note that one of the better and more common breeds of ground scent dogs is a bloodhound. So let's place the lack of scent at the train station aside due to type of dog and scent conditions and move forward.

The preserve parking is just as safe/unsafe as the train station. There is never "heavy" traffic thru there, however, the entrance is on a main road with regular traffic at all times. If it were my husband, who worships his car, he would park at the preserve. :banghead:

 

[Codger]

What is the simplest explanation in this case? I don't even know that much.

I think we all have a different answer to that.
Its JMO that would be suicide. Left everything home because he didn't need any of it any more + possibly didn't want his body found +/or ID'd quickly. Left his car where it would be found quickly + took off from there on foot, bike or train with nothing but himself. In this case he could be close by, just not found yet - or - he could have gone almost anywhere, far away, if he didn't want to be found. I can see it both ways. The hole in this theory to me is - tools + lunch pail. Where in heck are they? I don't think he went off with them, but where would they be? Why wouldn't they just be in the car, garage, or jobsite? Especially in the garage. I'd expect them to be there with his phone + so forth, in this scenario.
I truly hope this is NOT the case. It seems to be the simplest explanation though - to me.

 

[Codger]

The preserve parking is just as safe/unsafe as the train station. There is never "heavy" traffic thru there, however, the entrance is on a main road with regular traffic at all times. If it were my husband, who worships his car, he would park at the preserve. :banghead:

So parking at the train station might have been a way for the car to found sooner than if it were in the preserve parking?

 

[Momoffourboys]

So parking at the train station might have been a way for the car to found sooner than if it were in the preserve parking?

It depends. At the station there are always cars. People go out east or NYC and leave their cars, so it would not stand out as peculiar and LE seeing it there without knowing to look for it would not find it suspicious. At the preserve parking it is quite the opposite. If a car was seen there late at night or left there, LE driving by would probably notice it and find it suspicious. IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

I think if he parked the car, he knew that sooner or later, that lot would be checked, if anyone had the idea he went to the city. Regardless if be normally used it or not.