SOLVED NY - Tala Farea, 16, Rotana Farea, 22, Hudson River, 24 Oct 2018- COD released: suicide/drowning

[OneEye]

I also thought it was strange that the statement issued by the SA consulate said that the girls were accompanying their brother who was a student. If they came here in 2015, wasn't the brother in high school back then? I guess he could have been on scholarship for a private high school or something, but it just seems oddly worded to me ("accompanying their brother")

Women in SA require a male to approve basic life choices such as travel, school, residence location etc. If an older male relative weren't in the US then its likely the brother was appointed to be in charge even if he were younger than the sisters and the mother.

 

[x_files]

I'm baffled:

<modsnip - not victim friendly >
double suicide?
murder-suicide?
murder, period?
folie à deux ?

Any I'm missing?

What says Occam?

What say you?

Murder not suicide would be my guess.

 

[SammieJean]

They just released photos of the girls finally. Very sad.

 

[bears10]

Women in SA require a male to approve basic life choices such as travel, school, residence location etc. If an older male relative weren't in the US then its likely the brother was appointed to be in charge even if he were younger than the sisters and the mother.

I understand that. I found the student part strange. Because he was a high school student when they came here. Also, one of the articles said dad lived here too but was back and forth to SA for work, so if that is true, why not say accompanying the dad?

 

[bears10]

They just released photos of the girls finally. Very sad.

Sad indeed. Also, Im not sure these are the girls from the other pic that was posted on Twitter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...hudson-river-bodies-saudi-citizens/index.html

 

[bears10]

However, when Arab News contacted the NYPD DCPI to confirm AP’s story, the officer handling the case denied releasing any information regarding an alleged asylum claim.

Furthermore, a Saudi official at the kingdom’s embassy in Washington DC categorically denied to Arab News that the embassy had made any calls to the mother with regards to her alleged daughters’ political asylum claim.

‘Any/All communication with the mother had nothing to do with a supposed asylum claim,’ the official added.

NYPD denies releasing information on slain Saudi sisters seeking asylum in US

Considering the previous articles I’ve read about this case on the Arab News (which seem to contradict all other MSM reports and quote relatives who seem to be out of the loop at best) ... I’m starting to side eye this publications coverage of this case.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Photos released of Saudi Arabian sisters found dead, duct-taped together near NYC river as mystery deepens

JMO

 

[sw300]

I found this in an article from the NY Dailynews: The sisters also had their sandals duct-taped to their feet, police sources said
I find this a bit odd. They were found in winter coats and other cold weather appropriate clothing. Why are they wearing sandals?
NYPD releases photos of Saudi sisters found duct-taped together on banks of the Hudson as cops continue 'unraveling the puzzle' - NY Daily News

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[K_Z]

These terribly unfortunate girls' deaths, IMO, have been caused by both political, and cultural forces. This is not a "random" double murder, nor a peculiar double suicide. IMO.

I have spent an extended amount of time in KSA, and so I have a unique perspective on the treatment of women and girls in that country and culture. What these girls were doing in the weeks and months prior to their deaths would not be at all tolerated in their culture. This tragedy has all the hallmarks of a typical "cultural punishment" double murder, IMO.

But I don't think these sisters' deaths have anything to do with the Kashoggi murder.

And I can't help but notice that the drawings initially released portray 2 women who appear to be of AA descent-- and look nothing at all like the pictures released today. Interesting, considering the reports are that the bodies had not been decomposed at all, nor damaged, so facial features should not have been too badly distorted.

I think there is *zero* chance this was a double suicide. And I don't think it will ever be solved.

 

[musicaljoke]

<modsnip>

Was the mother told that the whole family's residency was in jeopardy, or just her own? It seems to me that if one is applying for asylum, the first thing one might expect to happen is not that they would be sent back in to a potentially dangerous situation. Surely it would be investigated first.

Is anyone else accepting this as logical: the daughters applied for asylum, ergo, the whole family was ordered back to Saudi Arabia?

 

[madamx]

I understand what you mean. I don't want to think this is murder.

There was a case in Canada that comes to mind immediately for me, the Shafia family. It was murder staged as an accident.

Long read about the Shafia case: Inside the Shafia killings that shocked a nation

This is very interesting.. makes me think now everybody is in on it.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Was the mother told that the whole family's residency was in jeopardy, or just her own? It seems to me that if one is applying for asylum, the first thing one might expect to happen is not that they would be sent back in to a potentially dangerous situation. Surely it would be investigated first.

Is anyone else accepting this as logical: the daughters applied for asylum, ergo, the whole family was ordered back to Saudi Arabia?

NY detectives look into a reported Saudi embassy phone call in Va. sisters’ deaths | WTOP

From the link above-
“But on Tuesday, The Associated Press reported that Tala and Rotana Farea’s mother told detectives that one day before the bodies were found last week, a Saudi Embassy official had called her and ordered that the family leave the U.S. because her daughters had applied for asylum.”

JMO

 

[bears10]

Was the mother told that the whole family's residency was in jeopardy, or just her own? It seems to me that if one is applying for asylum, the first thing one might expect to happen is not that they would be sent back in to a potentially dangerous situation. Surely it would be investigated first.

Is anyone else accepting this as logical: the daughters applied for asylum, ergo, the whole family was ordered back to Saudi Arabia?

Considering SAs recent issues with ordering Canadian students back to SA, I truly don’t know. I am not knowledgeable enough in regards to this situation. I won’t go into details on my thoughts so I remain victim friendly and stay away from politics.

 

[Alethea]

Was the mother told that the whole family's residency was in jeopardy, or just her own? It seems to me that if one is applying for asylum, the first thing one might expect to happen is not that they would be sent back in to a potentially dangerous situation. Surely it would be investigated first.

Is anyone else accepting this as logical: the daughters applied for asylum, ergo, the whole family was ordered back to Saudi Arabia?

If this were a politically connected family in KSA or well-off where their livelihood depended on government contracts or something, it may have been very embarrassing to both the family and state for the girls to apply to asylum.

I think the "ordered back to KSA" would have come from the Saudis, not the US.

 

[musicaljoke]

These terribly unfortunate girls' deaths, IMO, have been caused by both political, and cultural forces. This is not a "random" double murder, nor a peculiar double suicide. IMO.

I have spent an extended amount of time in KSA, and so I have a unique perspective on the treatment of women and girls in that country and culture. What these girls were doing in the weeks and months prior to their deaths would not be at all tolerated in their culture. This tragedy has all the hallmarks of a typical "cultural punishment" double murder, IMO.

But I don't think these sisters' deaths have anything to do with the Kashoggi murder.

And I can't help but notice that the drawings initially released portray 2 women who appear to be of AA descent-- and look nothing at all like the pictures released today. Interesting, considering the reports are that the bodies had not been decomposed at all, nor damaged, so facial features should not have been too badly distorted.

I think there is *zero* chance this was a double suicide. And I don't think it will ever be solved.

One thing that might spur this investigation on to a resolution is that it is of international interest. Nobody will give up too soon. I hope and expect that LE will be able to find the place where they were put into the water. The logistics of putting two people who are taped together into the water, leaves me believing that there had to be evidence left at the scene. Who has that kind of cunning, determination and strength?

 

[bears10]

If this were a politically connected family in KSA or well-off where their livelihood depended on government contracts or something, it may have been very embarrassing to both the family and state for the girls to apply to asylum.

I think the "ordered back to KSA" would have come from the Saudis, not the US.

I apologize for not thoroughly reading the previous post. This head cold is getting the best of me.

I think it’s very clear that the “orders to return home” came from SA and not the US. JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Considering SAs recent issues with ordering Canadian students back to SA, I truly don’t know. I am not knowledgeable enough in regards to this situation. I won’t go into details on my thoughts so I remain victim friendly and stay away from politics.

True, but that was quite a different matter. SA took exception to something our Prime Minister did/said and the country did a bit of saber rattling. Thankfully, the students have been allowed to stay.

 

[K_Z]

Was the mother told that the whole family's residency was in jeopardy, or just her own? It seems to me that if one is applying for asylum, the first thing one might expect to happen is not that they would be sent back in to a potentially dangerous situation. Surely it would be investigated first.

Is anyone else accepting this as logical: the daughters applied for asylum, ergo, the whole family was ordered back to Saudi Arabia?

Given the culture in KSA, it's very logical. Predictable, even. The mother is lucky to be alive, IMO.

In the culture of KSA, the girls are not solely responsible for their own behavior. The girls westernized and rebellious behavior would be seen in their culture as a "failure" of responsible family members (mother, and males) to control them, after being given the "privilege" to travel and live outside KSA, and even go to school. IMO, the "privilege" was withdrawn permanently for the sisters, who might be viewed as unable to be culturally rehabilitated if they were to return to KSA.

 

[bears10]

True, but that was quite a different matter. SA took exception to something our Prime Minister did/said and the country did a bit of saber rattling. Thankfully, the students have been allowed to stay.

Which is why it’s confusing because how would SA government force the family to return? However, if the family was here on some sort of scholarship program or if the SA govt was in any way funding their stay, then I think things become stickier. That’s just a guess as I’ve said I truly don’t know enough about our affairs with SA.

 

[K_Z]

Yes, the formal asylum application was a huge problem that had to be handled by KSA and family members. And that it was filed by girls/ women (who had been extended such enormous privileges) was all the more insulting and infuriating to KSA authorities, IMO.

In this case, politics and culture absolutely cannot be separated from their deaths. It's crucial to understanding why they are dead. To deny that is beyond absurd.

They are dead because they are females, girls, who had the audacity to rebel against their culture and their country. That's the "why" of their deaths. We can debate the details of "how" they died.

That they were bound facing one another is another huge clue, IMO.