OH - 10 killed including Gunman, 16 injured, Mass Shooting, Oregon District, Dayton, 4 Aug 2019 #2

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Colorado303 said:
From the link for CB’s obituary there are messages of support, etc but the obituary section just had this statement:

“Obituary for Connor Stephen Betts
Stephen and Moira Betts apologize that the wording of the obituary for their son Connor was insensative in not acknowledging the terrible tragedy that he created. In their grief, they presented the son that they knew which in no way reduces the horror of his last act. We are deeply sorry.”

Was there a previously released obituary that was removed?
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Connor Betts’ obituary removed from funeral home website
 
Gardenista said:
Kollie lawyers ask judge for home detention
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I wonder if they consider Kollie a material witness and that is why he is being charged. (He was not involved in the crime, but he seems he knew CB quite well, so maybe they feel he can provide some insight into the case) I never hear of someone getting federal charges for lying about drug use on a federal firearms document. (I'm sure those cases exist, but I haven't heard about them)
It reminds me of cases where they arrest someone for an outstanding traffic warrant. MOO
 
Colorado303 said:
From the link for CB’s obituary there are messages of support, etc but the obituary section just had this statement:

“Obituary for Connor Stephen Betts
Stephen and Moira Betts apologize that the wording of the obituary for their son Connor was insensative in not acknowledging the terrible tragedy that he created. In their grief, they presented the son that they knew which in no way reduces the horror of his last act. We are deeply sorry.”

Was there a previously released obituary that was removed?
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There is a screenshot of the Obituary here: Connor Betts’ obituary removed from funeral home website

I consider the parents victims in this....Who knows what I would do if it was my kid?
 
Friday Fan said:
There is a screenshot of the Obituary here: Connor Betts’ obituary removed from funeral home website

I consider the parents victims in this....Who knows what I would do if it was my kid?
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They only speak of his childhood. Idk it seems like they have extreme amount of denial from what I read. I can't imagine being in their shoes. It's one thing to be totally surprised by someones actions that you just can't believe they did it and therefore only remember the good things about them. But this guy had so many red flags. Hit lists, rape lists, fascination with violence and mass shootings to the point he brought it up, terrible violent pornogrind lyrics. Idk. To me it seems like the parents are only remembering the 6 year old Connor who loved Bob's Burgers and weekends with boy scouts. I feel like if I had a brother or sister with this many red flags that did this, I would disown them, I would be SO angry. But we can only speculate what we would do or feel like. I do feel this obituary was insensitive and i'm surprised the parents didn't expect this type of reaction. After something like this, this is when you only have basic information for the public, not a reminiscence of a sweet little boy who likely hasn't been present for a long damn time.

JMO
 
danzn16 said:
They only speak of his childhood. Idk it seems like they have extreme amount of denial from what I read. I can't imagine being in their shoes. It's one thing to be totally surprised by someones actions that you just can't believe they did it and therefore only remember the good things about them. But this guy had so many red flags. Hit lists, rape lists, fascination with violence and mass shootings to the point he brought it up, terrible violent pornogrind lyrics. Idk. To me it seems like the parents are only remembering the 6 year old Connor who loved Bob's Burgers and weekends with boy scouts. I feel like if I had a brother or sister with this many red flags that did this, I would disown them, I would be SO angry. But we can only speculate what we would do or feel like. I do feel this obituary was insensitive and i'm surprised the parents didn't expect this type of reaction. After something like this, this is when you only have basic information for the public, not a reminiscence of a sweet little boy who likely hasn't been present for a long damn time.

JMO
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None of us know how we would react if it was our son.

In the made up story in my mind, if it were my son (and I have two young adult sons) I believe I would have said that I remembered some wonderful experiences with my son, and that I wished I could have helped him deal with his demons better and that I would still not forget him. I would also give a nod to the victims' families, and certainly to my daughter! (Again, I don't know how I would act in this situation for sure as fortunately I've never had to deal with such a troubled child who did so much damage to others.)
 
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The Montgomery County Coroner will be releasing autopsy findings from victims of the Oregon District mass shooting, the coroner announced Thursday.

Coroner Kent E. Harshbarger will announce the preliminary autopsy findings in a news conference that is set to take place in Dayton at 3 pm. Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl will also be in attendance at the news conference, officials confirmed to 2 NEWS.

2 NEWS will stream the news conference live on air, on WDTN.com, and the 2 NEWS app.

Coroner set to release autopsy findings from Oregon District shooting
 
Watching pressor now:

All causes of death are secondary to shooter. But one individual was shot by police that would have been lethal if original gunshot from shooter had not been, which it was. Another person had superficial wound from police bullet.
 
Clarification after reporter questions: 1st round was from shooter which was lethal shot to female victim, another round was sustained and would have been lethal was from a police officer. It was proven by video evidence that 1st shot was from shooter.
 
Clarification on toxicology report:
Ethanol, alprazolam, and cocaine. (For those that are not in medical field that is alcohol and xanax.) Shooter had a crack straw pipe in a plastic bag.

52 gun shot wounds to the shooter, which counts as entrance and exit wounds, uncertain number of times he was shot. Ballistic vest did stop one round.
 
Reporter asked why it took 26-52 round to stop the shooter. Chief says the training is to use force until threat ends. Video shows shooter tried 2x to get back up after being shot, therefore lethal force continued until he was down.

Do not know how many bullets were fired by police.
 
Report states there was information that CB's Sister was able to talk after she was hit, reporter asked where she was hit. Coroner would not comment further for sensitivity of families. He said usual cause of death is bleeding so it's common for people to be able to talk for a period of time after being shot.
 
danzn16 said:
In the surveillance videos, there were 6 police officers shooting at CB from all directions. And you can see that there were many people running all around, and occasionally in front of police. I pray, pray, pray that none of those bullets were from a police officer. Really there was no other way to put down this guy that "out gunned" the police officers. I just hope for the officers sake and sanity they don't have to have that on their conscious.
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LE will collect all bullets and make sure. But I think the officers were all aiming only at CB, who was wearing clearly identifiable black hoodie and of course shooting a very obvious gun with huge magazine. Easy target.
*** seems police bullets did hit some people.
 
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glamourkitty1922 said:
Antifa is just another hate group. Hate is hate, it doesn't matter who you're hating, it's still a hate group.
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CB was definitely NOT Antifa. We shouldn't equate "rage" of protestors with actual "hate" groups.

History would have been quite different if 1930s anti-fascist groups were more forceful against the followers of Mussolini, Franco and Hitler.
 
Kubirai said:
Their funeral home manager should have explained to them that CB obituary is improper, and MB obituary should mention she became Jordan Cofer.
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Agree on CB, that seems improper. For all we know Connor could be behind the Jordan "persona" also.
 
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