OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #3

[itsrak]

So here is a post from this site from back in 2009. Draw your own conclusion but I wonder if anyone here is familiar enough with the Gateway to also verify this back emergency door.



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This case has been bothering me for far too long. I live about oh.. 9 minutes from the the Ugly Tuna. Been there several times. There is a back 'emergency' exit and the alarm doesn't work. They open it quite often when the place gets crowded and hot. It's the ONLY way he could've left that bar. Someone had to see it, people stand behind the bar to smoke pot or whatever all of the time. I can't believe there's absolutely NO witnesses.

This doesn't seem consistent with Det. Hurst's position. Wonder what he would say about this.

 

[embufum]

This doesn't seem consistent with Det. Hurst's position. Wonder what he would say about this.

There doesn't seem to be much consistency about this case at all. I've seen old interviews where it was said that the dogs didn't pick up on anything and now the latest one is they think they did and the dogs led them to a Wendy's.

 

[neesaki]

Names now shows Brian’s DNA as “submitted”. I noticed the UID I had submitted still doesn’t show him as excluded, not sure why.

ETA: I know it’s a huge long shot, location was Pennsylvania. I really hope it’s not him.

https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/14703

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/870umpa.html

This should say “Namus”. My iPad sometimes has a mind all its own.

 

[embufum]

Stumbled upon something I thought was pretty interesting. This song was written by Meredith Reed not long after Brian disappeared. She wrote the lyrics but does not sing it.

 

[itsrak]

2002, Winnipeg, Canada

Young male. Drink or drugs. Last seen walking back toward the bar not long before closing. Poof! Friends mystified. A bad odor in the building. Someone finally called police about it. Mystery quickly solved, case closed.

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/ca...js-mummified-body-found-behind-wall-club.html

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - Police say they likely will never know why Eduardo Sanchez crawled behind a nightclub wall. Some time in the early hours of a cold October day last year, a young disc jockey stumbled into a Winnipeg cabaret and disappeared. This week, police found the mummified body of Eduardo Sanchez entombed behind a wall in the basement of the popular nightclub, 14 months after he was last seen alive. While the case is reminiscent of an Edgar Allan Poe story, police say there was no foul play in the 21-year-old's death, just the lingering question of what exactly he was doing behind the wall where he became trapped and died. "The cause of death was determined to be positional asphyxiation," said Constable Bob Johnson, a Winnipeg police spokesman. "We don't know for what reason he went between these two walls, but some time while he was in there he either fell, [or] passed out -- we don't necessarily know the circumstances -- but he got himself positioned in a place where he was unable to breathe properly due to the restrictions on his chest. "It wouldn't have taken a long time ... He probably would've been dead within minutes." Police were called back to the nightclub -- the last place Mr. Sanchez was seen alive -- when neighbours complained about a foul odour coming from the Village Cabaret. If not for a recent citywide ban on smoking in bars, investigators said, they might never have found the body. Neighbours of the club, in a trendy downtown Winnipeg neighbourhood, said they noticed the foul smell more than a year ago, but put it down to spilled beer and stale cigarette smoke. "Sometimes it reeked of sewage when you came in in the morning," Kerrie Drine, a business owner in a neighbouring building, told The Winnipeg Free Press. "We had to light incense to get rid of it." But when the municipal smoking ban came into effect in September, the smell persisted and someone eventually notified police. "They took the whole wall down," Const. Johnson said. Using a special camera borrowed from a local duct cleaning company, police found the body wedged into a narrow space between a stone wall and a newer wall. The camera was snaked into the claustrophobic gap between the old wall and the newer one, which police said was built several years ago. Officers soon spotted the badly decomposed body of Mr. Sanchez. "It was pretty close to mummification; it was certainly in the early stages of it," Const. Johnson said. He said Mr. Sanchez had entered the gap between the walls from an opening at one end and had managed to wriggle through almost its entire 23-metre length, through a gap ranging from 20 to 60 centimetres wide. "In some places there was enough room to move around, in others it was a very tight fit." Mr. Sanchez, also known as DJ Phonosys and Grandmasta Sanchez, was last seen by friends in the early morning hours of Oct. 12, 2002. He made an $80 withdrawal from his bank account at 12:48 a.m. from a bank machine in the front entrance of the nightclub. Just before 3 a.m., he spoke with three friends not far from the club and was last seen walking back toward the building. Family, friends and police searched the Winnipeg area for weeks after his disappearance, but found nothing. Abbey Sanchez broke down in tears while reading a statement on Thursday about the discovery of her brother, which she called "our family's worst nightmare." "This news definitely is not what we had anticipated," she said. Const. Johnson said there is some evidence Mr. Sanchez had been drinking on the night of his disappearance and tests are being conducted to attempt to determine whether alcohol was a factor in his death. "But the body had degraded so much that the quality of the samples was very, very poor. We may not get anything at all." He said the question of why Mr. Sanchez crawled behind the wall will probably never be answered. "People will, I think for years, be asking the question: What the heck was he doing in there?" Const. Johnson said. "And we just don't have a good answer to that, to be honest. We don't know why he was there ... and likely will never know." He said police considered the possibility that he was looking to retrieve something left or somehow dropped there earlier, but they found nothing behind the wall other than Mr. Sanchez's body.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ely-in-mans-death-police-say/article18439596/

A man whose body was found between two walls in the basement of a nightclub more than a year after he went missing likely passed out and stopped breathing, an autopsy report says. Winnipeg police spokesman Constable Bob Johnson said Eduardo Sanchez, a part-time disc jockey at Village Cabaret, died of positional asphyxiation. Mr. Sanchez, 21, was lodged in such a way in a V-shaped space between the walls that the weight of his body prevented him from breathing. It's believed he passed out there after crawling inside on his own. What police don't know is why Mr. Sanchez would climb between the walls, a false drywall in front of the basement foundation. Tissue samples from the autopsy will be sent for forensic examination to see if he had been using street drugs before his disappearance. No drugs were found in his clothing or behind the wall, however it's believed he was using drugs before he went missing. Police had been called to the popular nightclub, the last place Mr. Sanchez was seen, due to complaints of an odour coming from the basement of the cabaret, which had recently changed its name from the Collective Cabaret. "Sometimes it reeked of sewage when you came in in the morning," said Kerrie Drine, a business owner in a neighbouring building. She said most people thought the stench was caused by spilled beer and cigarette smoke from the Toad in the Hole Pub and the cabaret. However, when the city's smoking ban came into force in September, more people became aware of the smell. Mr. Sanchez, also known as DJ Phonosys and Grandmasta Sanchez, was last seen by friends in the early morning of Oct. 12, 2002. He made an $80 withdrawal from his bank account at 12:48 a.m. from a banking machine in the front entrance of the Collective Cabaret. At about 2:45 a.m., he spoke with three friends in a vehicle parked on Osborne Street. They invited him to a house party, but he refused and was last seen walking back toward the Collective.

2006, Columbus, Ohio

Young male. Drink or drugs. Last seen walking back toward the bar not long before closing. Poof! Friends mystified. A bad odor in the building. But no one, presumably, called police about it.....

 

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http://www.majorwager.com/forums/ca...js-mummified-body-found-behind-wall-club.html

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - Police say they likely will never know why Eduardo Sanchez crawled behind a nightclub wall. Some time in the early hours of a cold October day last year, a young disc jockey stumbled into a Winnipeg cabaret and disappeared. This week, police found the mummified body of Eduardo Sanchez entombed behind a wall in the basement of the popular nightclub, 14 months after he was last seen alive. While the case is reminiscent of an Edgar Allan Poe story, police say there was no foul play in the 21-year-old's death, just the lingering question of what exactly he was doing behind the wall where he became trapped and died. "The cause of death was determined to be positional asphyxiation," said Constable Bob Johnson, a Winnipeg police spokesman. "We don't know for what reason he went between these two walls, but some time while he was in there he either fell, [or] passed out -- we don't necessarily know the circumstances -- but he got himself positioned in a place where he was unable to breathe properly due to the restrictions on his chest. "It wouldn't have taken a long time ... He probably would've been dead within minutes." Police were called back to the nightclub -- the last place Mr. Sanchez was seen alive -- when neighbours complained about a foul odour coming from the Village Cabaret. If not for a recent citywide ban on smoking in bars, investigators said, they might never have found the body. Neighbours of the club, in a trendy downtown Winnipeg neighbourhood, said they noticed the foul smell more than a year ago, but put it down to spilled beer and stale cigarette smoke. "Sometimes it reeked of sewage when you came in in the morning," Kerrie Drine, a business owner in a neighbouring building, told The Winnipeg Free Press. "We had to light incense to get rid of it." But when the municipal smoking ban came into effect in September, the smell persisted and someone eventually notified police. "They took the whole wall down," Const. Johnson said. Using a special camera borrowed from a local duct cleaning company, police found the body wedged into a narrow space between a stone wall and a newer wall. The camera was snaked into the claustrophobic gap between the old wall and the newer one, which police said was built several years ago. Officers soon spotted the badly decomposed body of Mr. Sanchez. "It was pretty close to mummification; it was certainly in the early stages of it," Const. Johnson said. He said Mr. Sanchez had entered the gap between the walls from an opening at one end and had managed to wriggle through almost its entire 23-metre length, through a gap ranging from 20 to 60 centimetres wide. "In some places there was enough room to move around, in others it was a very tight fit." Mr. Sanchez, also known as DJ Phonosys and Grandmasta Sanchez, was last seen by friends in the early morning hours of Oct. 12, 2002. He made an $80 withdrawal from his bank account at 12:48 a.m. from a bank machine in the front entrance of the nightclub. Just before 3 a.m., he spoke with three friends not far from the club and was last seen walking back toward the building. Family, friends and police searched the Winnipeg area for weeks after his disappearance, but found nothing. Abbey Sanchez broke down in tears while reading a statement on Thursday about the discovery of her brother, which she called "our family's worst nightmare." "This news definitely is not what we had anticipated," she said. Const. Johnson said there is some evidence Mr. Sanchez had been drinking on the night of his disappearance and tests are being conducted to attempt to determine whether alcohol was a factor in his death. "But the body had degraded so much that the quality of the samples was very, very poor. We may not get anything at all." He said the question of why Mr. Sanchez crawled behind the wall will probably never be answered. "People will, I think for years, be asking the question: What the heck was he doing in there?" Const. Johnson said. "And we just don't have a good answer to that, to be honest. We don't know why he was there ... and likely will never know." He said police considered the possibility that he was looking to retrieve something left or somehow dropped there earlier, but they found nothing behind the wall other than Mr. Sanchez's body.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ely-in-mans-death-police-say/article18439596/

A man whose body was found between two walls in the basement of a nightclub more than a year after he went missing likely passed out and stopped breathing, an autopsy report says. Winnipeg police spokesman Constable Bob Johnson said Eduardo Sanchez, a part-time disc jockey at Village Cabaret, died of positional asphyxiation. Mr. Sanchez, 21, was lodged in such a way in a V-shaped space between the walls that the weight of his body prevented him from breathing. It's believed he passed out there after crawling inside on his own. What police don't know is why Mr. Sanchez would climb between the walls, a false drywall in front of the basement foundation. Tissue samples from the autopsy will be sent for forensic examination to see if he had been using street drugs before his disappearance. No drugs were found in his clothing or behind the wall, however it's believed he was using drugs before he went missing. Police had been called to the popular nightclub, the last place Mr. Sanchez was seen, due to complaints of an odour coming from the basement of the cabaret, which had recently changed its name from the Collective Cabaret. "Sometimes it reeked of sewage when you came in in the morning," said Kerrie Drine, a business owner in a neighbouring building. She said most people thought the stench was caused by spilled beer and cigarette smoke from the Toad in the Hole Pub and the cabaret. However, when the city's smoking ban came into force in September, more people became aware of the smell. Mr. Sanchez, also known as DJ Phonosys and Grandmasta Sanchez, was last seen by friends in the early morning of Oct. 12, 2002. He made an $80 withdrawal from his bank account at 12:48 a.m. from a banking machine in the front entrance of the Collective Cabaret. At about 2:45 a.m., he spoke with three friends in a vehicle parked on Osborne Street. They invited him to a house party, but he refused and was last seen walking back toward the Collective.

Good Lord what a way to go. Poor guy.

 

[Satch]

2002, Winnipeg, Canada

Drink/drugs. Last seen walking back toward the bar not long before closing. Poof! Friends mystified. A bad odor in the building. Someone finally called police about it. Case solved.

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/ca...js-mummified-body-found-behind-wall-club.html



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ely-in-mans-death-police-say/article18439596/



2006, Columbus, Ohio

Drink/drugs. Last seen walking back toward the bar not long before closing. Poof! Friends mystified. A bad odor in the building. But no one called police about it.....

And for years, people complained that the Ugly Tuna smelled like piss and vomit. There were also reports of a bad smell from the kitchen in the adjacent theater building.

Satch

 

[itsrak]

And for years, people complained that the Ugly Tuna smelled like piss and vomit. There were also reports of a bad smell from the kitchen in the adjacent theater building.

Satch

And the Collective in Winnipeg didn't even have a completely dug up construction area in the building.

 

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So this is the door that was often left open when it got hot or crowded at the Tuna. It says it has an alarm on it but wasn't activated. People often went out to smoke and who knows what else. Not the greatest picture but you can see the door towards the back left.

 

[itsrak]

So this is the door that was often left open when it got hot or crowded at the Tuna. It says it has an alarm on it but wasn't activated. People often went out to smoke and who knows what else. Not the greatest picture but you can see the door towards the back left.

Thanks for pic. Door is on 2nd floor. Must then be stairs to street level. I wonder which street level door that leads to? Judging from location of windows, I'm pretty sure it would go to the street level door to - as you face the main street level entrance to the escalator - the right. The one with the motion activated cam.

 

[Satch]

And for years, people complained that the Ugly Tuna smelled like piss and vomit. There were also reports of a bad smell from the kitchen in the adjacent theater building.

Satch

Customer service at The Ugly Tuna was always mediocre to horrible. You can read the reviews online. The owners very likely did not care about the stench, and when they got used to the stench they became immune to it. Most of the college booze crowd there, probably too drunk to care anyway. Very likely that Brian Schaffer's remains are buried somewhere between the Ugly Tuna and the Gateway Film Center. I am now changing my percentage to a belief of 70% that he is wedged in there.

Satch

PS. OK, I am adding a picture, with a sloppy MS Paint text, "Brian's Body Here?" (An updated one from earlier in this thread.) I hope that this text is not disturbing. It looks sloppy like that little kid writing "Redrum" in "The Shining." (I can't draw for crap!) The pointer arrow is to show the visual impact represented by Google Earth. Pictures are worth a thousand words. But one picture that is worth 10,000 words that we don't have is what this area looked like in 2006 under construction?

A question what is the square footage distance between the Gateway Film Center and the Ugly Tuna building if known? Brian was a big guy, who would probably be more likely to get stuck in a more confined area than a smaller person. Using Google Earth as a reference point, to where does that back door emergency exit lead?

 

[embufum]

Thanks for pic. Door is on 2nd floor. Must then be stairs to street level. I wonder which street level door that leads to? Judging from location of windows, I'm pretty sure it would go to the street level door to - as you face the main street level entrance to the escalator - the right. The one with the motion activated cam.

Yes I do believe so. There is another door to that stairwell directly across from that door here's a pic. I would guess that there is also a way to get up on the roof from there from what I can tell by looking at the rooftop. The door to the right of the main entrance I believe is the one that the camera snaps a pic when the door opens. Who knows whether it was working. If it was motion activated all one would have to do would be to move the door and wait before coming out.

 

[embufum]

From looking at the video and the placement of the camera is I really wonder if the video that we are seeing isn't cropped and I mean a lot. There is no reason that this camera shouldn't have been able to pick up way more area including not just directly underneath when Brian walks away but also the doorway to the Tuna. I have surveillance cameras on my property that has a much better degree of coverage.

I am 100% convinced that the police are not showing us the uncut footage for a reason. Why not show us the footage when Brian and Clint arrived the first time or when Clint and Meredith leave? What about the band? Det Hurst said they have them on video also. The last clip that we see has nothing to do (supposedly) with Brian at all? This footage is also very grainy, again I don't buy it. The building was spending millions on renovations and all it could afford was a crappy low pixel camera?

These clips were cut very specifically and methodically to show us next to nothing.

 

[embufum]

If you look and notice how the video is actually framed it makes no sense at all that this camera has that type of field of vision. The camera is showing much more to the right of the hallway when it is actually placed much further to the left. So no matter what the angle of the field of vision it still doesn't match what it is showing. The most absurd thing that we are supposed to believe it that Brian is just exactly out of our field of vision for us to be able to see whether he went back into the bar. From this point on I don't put much stock into what the police say about this case but hey that's just me.

 

[Satch]

If you look and notice how the video is actually framed it makes no sense at all that this camera has that type of field of vision. The camera is showing much more to the right of the hallway when it is actually placed much further to the left. So no matter what the angle of the field of vision it still doesn't match what it is showing. The most absurd thing that we are supposed to believe it that Brian is just exactly out of our field of vision for us to be able to see whether he went back into the bar. From this point on I don't put much stock into what the police say about this case but hey that's just me.

Yea,

Put me on the list as well. LE is not telling the whole story of what happened that night. I agree with Embufum, absurd that a camera can not pick up a man seen seconds earlier to never again. Did The Ugly Tuna management send away for that camera with an offer from a Cracker Jack box? This whole thing screams cover up and/or incompetence.

Satch

 

[embufum]

Yea,

Put me on the list as well. LE is not telling the whole story of what happened that night. I agree with Embufum, absurd that a camera can not pick up a man seen seconds earlier to never again. Did The Ugly Tuna management send away for that camera with an offer from a Cracker Jack box? This whole thing screams cover up and/or incompetence.

Satch

I'm mad at myself for not noticing this before. I even have a door bell cam and it is within two inches of my screen door handle. I can literally use my finger on my app to turn the camera so far to the left that I can see the handle. I can do the same thing with older cams its just that you can't use an app you have to have a designated monitor.

Even if this camera was not panning around at all, the field of vision has been cropped big time. So my guess is that instead of this being a piece of crap camera I'm betting it a pretty decent one that the police have altered.

 

[Ozoner]

I'm mad at myself for not noticing this before. I even have a door bell cam and it is within two inches of my screen door handle. I can literally use my finger on my app to turn the camera so far to the left that I can see the handle. I can do the same thing with older cams its just that you can't use an app you have to have a designated monitor.

Even if this camera was not panning around at all, the field of vision has been cropped big time. So my guess is that instead of this being a piece of crap camera I'm betting it a pretty decent one that the police have altered.

Why compare a camera from 2006 with one from 2018? Do you remember what digital storage space was like in 2006? I remember paying a lot of money for 2G flash drives back then. Video takes up a ton of storage space. The higher the resolution, the more space it takes up. Low-resolution security cameras are common now and were certainly the norm in 2006.

 

[embufum]

Why compare a camera from 2006 with one from 2018? Do you remember what digital storage space was like in 2006? I remember paying a lot of money for 2G flash drives back then. Video takes up a ton of storage space. The higher the resolution, the more space it takes up. Low-resolution security cameras are common now and were certainly the norm in 2006.

Reread my post. I said nothing about storage and nothing about resolution. Those two points are irrelevant to my discussion. I am talking specifically about field of vision and I also mention that I have older cameras, many years older that have the same field of vision. As far as resolution I am sure some has been lost due to the video being copied many times.

 

[Ozoner]

Reread my post. I said nothing about storage and nothing about resolution. Those two points are irrelevant to my discussion. I am talking specifically about field of vision and I also mention that I have older cameras, many years older that have the same field of vision. As far as resolution I am sure some has been lost due to the video being copied many times.

I was actually replying to both of your posts. If the quality of the video is irrelevant to your discussion, then why did you bring it up? This is a direct quote from you:

This footage is also very grainy, again I don't buy it. The building was spending millions on renovations and all it could afford was a crappy low pixel camera?

 

[embufum]

I was actually replying to both of your posts. If the quality of the video is irrelevant to your discussion, then why did you bring it up? This is a direct quote from you:

No, now you are replying to both of my posts. This is the post you quoted so no you where not responding to both until now.


"I'm mad at myself for not noticing this before. I even have a door bell cam and it is within two inches of my screen door handle. I can literally use my finger on my app to turn the camera so far to the left that I can see the handle. I can do the same thing with older cams its just that you can't use an app you have to have a designated monitor.

Even if this camera was not panning around at all, the field of vision has been cropped big time. So my guess is that instead of this being a piece of crap camera I'm betting it a pretty decent one that the police have altered."