Found Deceased OH - Joey LaBute, 26, Columbus, 4 March 2016 #1

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I'm with you on this one. So many red flags during the investigation. Telling the family not to hire a PI, not hearing no any updates for a while. I suspect that police immediately checked phone records, reached out to the apps, and may already have a suspect. I'm wondering if the suspect led them to the body. It's highly unplausible that police would just randomly send divers into the river. There would have to be a reason. So, someone knows something.

Yes.^^ The apps/phone records will tell much of the story. I just hope that the perpetrator isn't an anonymous/fake profile in town for the Arnold Classic.
 
This article says that the divers were present based on a hunch from detectives....

http://myfox28columbus.com/news/local/autopsy-planned-today-for-body-found-in-scioto-river
I think they have phone pings! Either Joey's or a possible suspects.

I also don't think this will be written off as an accidental death, that detective got kind of flustered when asked about stab wounds or bullet holes and then said he wasn't going to comment further. I think they do have evidence of foul play.
 
Fully clothed, floating 6-8 feet from the river bank. Autopsy began at 9 AM this morning, body decomposition minimal.
 
<snip>The the worlds biggest gay hookup app comes into the picture. Then two other gay appls come into the picture. Then a man he is dating comes into the picture. Then every gay orginazation in that area becomes involves in organiaing search efforts.
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Its just not a big deal. Nor is a victim ever to blame. Ever. His intentions that night were not evil. He was 26 and wanted some sex. Peroid. Wherever, whenever, however with whoever worked for him -should be fine for anyone else.
I don't know anything about those apps, but is it possible to use them just to talk to others, and not meet face to face? Even as Joey used those apps, I don't think there has been any kind of confirmation of how many of those he were in contact with on those apps that he met face to face. Maybe he used those apps for hook-ups, or maybe just for talking with other men, I don't think (most of us here) know for sure how comfortable he was with random hook-ups. Just by having the opportunity to have random sex means that one has to take it. Joey was out that evening with relatives and was to meet up with friends later, was it his normal behaviour to "sneak away" for a hook-up, or was it something he didn't normally do?
 
Is this Eastern time zone, anyone?

Yes it is Eastern time zone.
 
TY so much for your post.

Although I typically thank every post, in appreciation of their time, and dont use it as a agree or disagree deal I wanted to thank you so much.

I did not know the "byeeeee" thing and that is worrying. As you stated there are differences in gay world (apparently in todays internet world the byeee is our snap of fingers in yesteryear!) and not a postiive! . The fact that that was his repsonse to "cutie" is well you know the word I will use here!

Obviouly the guy was into him - repeated calling .

Is lacing drinks frequent now?

I must confess I have very fond memories of "our"coctails compared to hetero clubs!!!

RE: We gay men can act and behave somewhat differently from our straight counterparts.

that was the sole intent of all of us who came out last night on the thread- trying to explain the many, many differences between how our culture works etc.

The notion that the apps were used that often night , as gay men, we certainly know were not for a "chat"

About the human trafficking, would there be some strange reason , if that was invololved, and Joey is who was in the water, would there be a reason why they would hurt or worse someone? I would think they would , like you mentioned, keep , for lack of a better word, use them.

Is Arnold thing only used to steal - or do they actually start using them right at the conferance center?

use a decoy, usually a very attractive person, to lure a person to them.

and learning that scares me. That was what I said, he went to get a drink, saw someone who he really was attracted to, and then when you said usually a very attractive person, scary

I also felt the same way and posted such in terms of voluntarily leaving to go cruise - you in a sea of men get to it right there.


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I&#8217;m new to the forum and found it through concern for Joseph LaBute. I&#8217;m in Columbus, Ohio and would like to shed some light on a few theories that have been bounced around. We may have more answers this morning as a body that was found will be identified.
Joey disappeared during the weekend of the Arnold Sports Festival in Columbus. This event is held every year in the spring and attracts thousands of people. While it is a great event, what a lot of people &#8211; even those who live in Columbus &#8211; do not realize is that it is the country&#8217;s second highest event for human trafficking. Most people don&#8217;t realize what human trafficking entails and when a few of us in Columbus suggested that this may be what happened, others said that there was no way Joey would get involved in that. This is where we need some clarification. People do not choose to get involved in human trafficking. Typically, what happens is traffickers use a decoy, usually a very attractive person, to lure a person to them. They then kidnap the person and their life is forever changed as they are forced to have sex with many people over and over again. Drug trafficking is starting to take a back seat to human trafficking because once drugs sell, they can&#8217;t be resold because they get used. In human trafficking, the commodity is the human and they can be sold over and over again. Some of us in Columbus felt that this could be what happened to Joey as the Arnold Sports Festival venue was located on the same side of the street only a few blocks down from Union where Joey was last seen. There were also rumors that night of some people that didn&#8217;t fit in at the bar and speaking a European language. These could have been traffickers due to a high percentage of them being from European countries.
Union is one of the most popular gay bars in the Columbus area. To give you an idea of its popularity, one can barely make it from the front of the bar to the back because it is so crowded. There&#8217;s typically many, many people standing around. We&#8217;ve been told that security footage at Union was turned over to the police and video is very grainy/pixelated. There&#8217;s a reason for this. Union is a great place to meet friends and hang out, but ownership is very focused on cutting costs and making money. There&#8217;s even rumors of underground crime activity associated with Union and Axis (across the street and owned by the same men).
Joey was with family and some friends at the bar and got up for a drink and was never seen again. This is very strange. It doesn&#8217;t seem like he would leave the bar as rumor has it that a few friends were going to Union that night to meet up with him after he spent time with family. So, he probably would not have left the bar. Sadly, if something as put in his drink, he may have been led outside without anyone noticing. Many of you wonder how this is possible and the answer would lie in knowing gay culture. Gay bars typically serve very strong drinks. I can&#8217;t emphasize how strong the drinks are! It&#8217;s a common sight to see people being led out of a gay bar drunk or barely able to walk. If you&#8217;re at the bar, you move out of the way, let people through, and keep going about your business and having fun. So, if Joey was under the influence of alcohol or drugs, it wouldn&#8217;t have stood out.
The events of the evening leading up to Joey&#8217;s disappearance leave some questions. He had a date and the date texted him, &#8220;goodnight cutie.&#8221; Joey&#8217;s response was, &#8220;byyyyyyee.&#8221; As an FYI, in the gay community, that is a brush off and really a snarky response. It may also be a clue.
Others have said they&#8217;ve chatted with Joey on apps designed to meet people. For those who are not familiar with these apps, you can log on, see who is online and the people are usually listed in the order of those closest to you. If you&#8217;re at Union on a Friday night, the app would be filled with people from Union and the Short North. He may have met someone on an app, but typically, no one would leave their family behind to go meet a guy.
Directly next to Union is an alley. Cars sometimes stop in the alley and this could be how Joey was taken. No one watches the alley or notices anything going on.
It&#8217;s been a rough month for the gay community as many of us are deeply concerned and just want Joey returned to his family. Joey is one of our own and we want him to be safe. As I&#8217;ve read the posts on here, it&#8217;s been brought up that Joey&#8217;s sexuality may or may not have nothing to do with his disappearance. In my opinion, sexuality does play a role; Specifically, in knowing gay culture and behavior. We gay men can act and behave somewhat differently from our straight counterparts.
A body was found yesterday in the river a bit of a distance from where Joey was last seen. Some of you have stated that he may have been in the park cruising. I feel the need to address this here. Several years ago, there were many gays who cruised. It didn&#8217;t seem like a big deal at the time and was a quick way to find a sex partner. However, with technology comes change. There are now apps to meet people and that seems to be the way to go. Also, what no one has pointed out is that is Joey was truly looking for a good time, he could have met anyone at Union and there is also a gay bath house a few miles from the bar. Also, it would be extremely rare for anyone who is out on a Friday night having fun with friends and family to get up and leave to go cruising. So, for those of you who think this is an option, it&#8217;s pretty far fetched. The other thing I&#8217;d add is that most cruising takes place during the day or in the early evening hours. To add to this, if Joey really wanted a hook up and quick sex, he could have just met up with the guy he had a date with earlier. Though Joey may not have shown a lot of interest, the guy was clearly interested and would have been a likely option if that is all Joey wanted. Combined with the fact that Joey had a few friends who were on their way to Union to meet him, but arrived and couldn&#8217;t find him, the hook up and cruising theory does not seem likely.
Questions arise about how his family is handling this. Money was raised and is now put on hold. Those of us who donated are not thrilled with this happening, but understand. Then, if you look at his Mom&#8217;s Facebook page, in between posting items about Joey, she is posting cute cat videos and photos. This seems like odd behavior, but could be a way of coping.
In Columbus, we are concerned for Joey&#8217;s safety and hope he is found soon. Though a body has been found, it has not been confirmed if it is Joey. We hope it isn&#8217;t. We want him to return home safe and sound.
 
I'm not convinced that Joey was a victim of human trafficking. Perpetrators of human trafficking typically target vulnerable populations (prostitutes, drug addicts, teenage runaways, etc.). Joey wasn't any of those things. He was an athletic, college-educated man with a job and by all accounts a good head on his shoulders. If the Arnold Classic played any role in this, I would bet it was a hate crime.

If this is Joey, the state of the body doesn't make sense. If he were to have been killed on March 4/5, the body should have been in a pretty advanced state of decomposition. I am hoping the police/coroner release enough details or even a timeline of events.
 
I'm not convinced that Joey was a victim of human trafficking. Perpetrators of human trafficking typically target vulnerable populations (prostitutes, drug addicts, teenage runaways, etc.). Joey wasn't any of those things. He was an athletic, college-educated man with a job and by all accounts a good head on his shoulders. If the Arnold Classic played any role in this, I would bet it was a hate crime.

If this is Joey, the state of the body doesn't make sense. If he were to have been killed on March 4/5, the body should have been in a pretty advanced state of decomposition. I am hoping the police/coroner release enough details or even a timeline of events.

I hate speaking as if we know it's him, ftr. However, if the body (whoever he is) was in the water this whole time, the very cold water could have slowed decomp significantly. Jmo.
 
TY so much for your post.

Although I typically thank every post, in appreciation of their time, and dont use it as a agree or disagree deal I wanted to thank you so much.

I did not know the "byeeeee" thing and that is worrying. As you stated there are differences in gay world (apparently in todays internet world the byeee is our snap of fingers in yesteryear!) and not a postiive! . The fact that that was his repsonse to "cutie" is well you know the word I will use here!

Obviouly the guy was into him - repeated calling .

Is lacing drinks frequent now?

I must confess I have very fond memories of "our"coctails compared to hetero clubs!!!

RE: We gay men can act and behave somewhat differently from our straight counterparts.

that was the sole intent of all of us who came out last night on the thread- trying to explain the many, many differences between how our culture works etc.

The notion that the apps were used that often night , as gay men, we certainly know were not for a "chat"

About the human trafficking, would there be some strange reason , if that was invololved, and Joey is who was in the water, would there be a reason why they would hurt or worse someone? I would think they would , like you mentioned, keep , for lack of a better word, use them.

Is Arnold thing only used to steal - or do they actually start using them right at the conferance center?

use a decoy, usually a very attractive person, to lure a person to them.

and learning that scares me. That was what I said, he went to get a drink, saw someone who he really was attracted to, and then when you said usually a very attractive person, scary

I also felt the same way and posted such in terms of voluntarily leaving to go cruise - you in a sea of men get to it right there.


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Yes, the "byeeeee" thing is pretty bad, but I've seen on here that others say the guy continued to message him on Saturday and Sunday - even after it was announced he was missing. Odd.

It's not frequently broadcast, but yes lacing of drinks is still an issue and has happened at Union and Axis many times. They don't publicize it because they don't want to alarm the public.

Face it, the apps are designed to meet people. Some people only chat, others meet up for dating, some meet up for sex.

Human an traffickers do not want to bring any attention to themselves. However, if it is Joey that was found in the water, I doubt it is trafficking. Traffickers usually take people to other cities. In the case of the Arnold, people are brought to Columbus to be used for sex. Others are taken - usually runaways or homeless people no one would notice missing.

Crusing would have been pointless for Joey. He was amongst many gay men and with his friends and family. I doubt he was looking for sex.
 
I'm not convinced that Joey was a victim of human trafficking. Perpetrators of human trafficking typically target vulnerable populations (prostitutes, drug addicts, teenage runaways, etc.). Joey wasn't any of those things. He was an athletic, college-educated man with a job and by all accounts a good head on his shoulders. If the Arnold Classic played any role in this, I would bet it was a hate crime.

If this is Joey, the state of the body doesn't make sense. If he were to have been killed on March 4/5, the body should have been in a pretty advanced state of decomposition. I am hoping the police/coroner release enough details or even a timeline of events.

I agree, cwosigns. I am naive wrt human trafficking and I hope I can always stay this way. It does seem to me that persons at that level of depravity and cruelty would not be bothered to redress their victims before disposing of a body. It seems the victim from the river was found fully dressed.

Also, if the articles are correct in saying that medical records will be used to identify this poor man, could it be an indicator that no ID/wallet was found with him? I would wonder, if so, that this was a robbery driven victim disposal.

Thoughts and care going out to this poor victim's loved ones, whoever they may be.
 
I agree, cwosigns. I am naive wrt human trafficking and I hope I can always stay this way. It does seem to me that persons at that level of depravity and cruelty would not be bothered to redress their victims before disposing of a body. It seems the victim from the river was found fully dressed.

Also, if the articles are correct in saying that medical records will be used to identify this poor man, could it be an indicator that no ID/wallet was found with him? I would wonder, if so, that this was a robbery driven victim disposal.

Thoughts and care going out to this poor victim's loved ones, whoever they may be.


10tv news at 12pm- just stated the coroner isn't expected to make a positive id on the body until tomorrow morning. Relying on dental records- but no gunshot or stab wounds. :-/
 
VTX88 :Your post was terrific. Hope you dont mind but I am going to use some of your thoughts to keep my similar ones from getting off track and nasty!!!

I felt anger,sadness,surprise, and confusion, and regret about about some of the discussion on this thread in the last 18 hours.

Been here a long time. And there have been other times when I wanted to come out, to explain why I was processing information about a case . My inner gut told me , that for some, here, that might be problematic. The last 18 hours seems to have proven that notion correct.

1. VTX88 : "I haven't seen any evidence of speculation in any of these posts." V me either -none.. "There have been plenty of sources posted here that show that he is known to be gay and to talk to males on meet-up apps." In reality in Joeys case we had a lot more info than on most. No-one was "speculating" about his sexual preferances.

It was clear and up front from day one. Channel 10s early report about the "guy he had been dating" ought to have been a pretty clear indicator that one is not "speculating" if someone is meeting people of the same gender for a "date". All that ruckus yesterday was astounding.I f we anlyzed the number of "gay hook up" sites mentioned, the term "hooking up" thoughout the thread they would come in at number one and two IMO.

Repectfully to both Cold and Silly I was more than baffled by the request that his orientation being declared in main stream floored me. In the first stories every MSM report made sure to advise its readers that Union was "gay friendly" from day one.

In and of itself does that imply ones orientation, well no. But in context with all the posters here who have claimed that they know him it becomes overtly clear that Joey is gay, lived and enjoyed a gay lifestyle. Good for him.

If we had been discussing a rape case, and a victim was able to enlighten others who had not been raped that would be fine. However, when several us "shared" something about ourselves the thread went nuts.


2 V:"I have no idea why this notion that gay men have hook-up sex is so insulting to people." Me either , but then again we both know why! To a lot of folks the notion of cruising around a park is repulsive.

Well, as a gay man, I can say that I find guys going to stripper bars no different, except they end up paying for nothing! A guy, who happens to be in a park, where it is known that others of the same orientation congregate ,is no different than hetero men , who want to see the female anatomy shaken in their faces , and be sat on by someone who has been rubbing her body all over strangers, while sweating is no different. Does that imply that they cant "get"laid in other environs, no.

Honestly ,IMO its grosser - sitting all over a bunch of strangers close to naked over and over . At least in the "cruise" mode ones intentions are honest, not being done to make a buck while being totally manipulative at the same time.

I would rather "be" with someone who is responding to me in a sexual way , authentically, as oppossed to someone pretending to find me attractive and/or sexual so that I will stick some money somewhere on their body.

3.V "
wouldn't have all this discussion about his sexual preference. Who cares what his preference is". What transpired here is no different than dialog folks would have if a prostite went missing. Calm down I am not implying JOey was selling himself-calm .

I am stating in IMO, a gay bar was the ground zero. The the worlds biggest gay hookup app comes into the picture. Then two other gay appls come into the picture. Then a man he is dating comes into the picture. Then every gay orginazation in that area becomes involves in organiaing search efforts.

That is reasonable "data" to know he is gay, there is always danger when hooking,up male or female, with strangers. They are logical and rational conclusions and cause for concern and caring after that individual vanishes off the face of the earth. Nothing more or less.

I found it somewhat ironic, that some of the responses were almost as if those of us who are gay were judging Joey. That is like one rape victim "blaming" another - it was shocking.

There were some (again life expericence) that judged gay men who like crusing compared to typing as being dirty and desperate. That is ,IMO judgemental.

4. Regarding the notion of sharing ones orientation here.It is actually no different than posters who talk about their husband, wives, children, dogs,cats,vocation, travels,previous losses. It is sharing. Simply that, but because this has a
sexual" and gay angle to it people "dont want to read about" it.

Just speculate (!) how you would feel if you were sharing when you were abused as a child and a poster responded with "I really don't want to read about your abuse". Pretty rude huh?

5. There has this AM been some notions regarding the choices he might have made. People make mistakes. They are human. For the posters who know him I would be more upset by someone trying to "blame" my friend, as oppossed to educating the folks regarding some the dynamics in terms of how the gay world functions. Just another learning experience.
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Its just not a big deal. Nor is a victim ever to blame. Ever. His intentions that night were not evil. He was 26 and wanted some sex. Peroid. Wherever, whenever, however with whoever worked for him -should be fine for anyone else.


Some of the comments on here were not out of hate or bigotry. They were out of ignorance and not knowing. On the cross, Christ said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

We we can show empathy and come from a place of understanding. There are many gay stereotypes out there for many reasons and sadly, many of these stereotypes are true. We can get into an extremely debate about what happens in the gay world, but one must wonder, how can we expect people who know nothing of our experience to take us seriously when our idea of pride for ourselves is to parade around in public wearing underwear? The point is that some people simply don't know who we are. Many of us are professionals, in committed relationships, and more.

People do make mistakes. Joey may have made one by going with the wrong person or responding to the wrong ad. We don't know. With that in mind, also accept that people on this forum make mistakes as well. We all bare one common thread together - we wonder what happened to Joey and would like him to be safely home.

In this case, Joey's sexual orientation plays an important role. It can lead to figuring out what happened. People have come up with all kinds of scenarios based on limited knowledge and for that we can't judge them. It's a fact of gay history that cruising was once very popular. It may not have been an activity you or I would partake in, but others did. While I completely rule it out based on the circumstances, I can understand how someone might be curious if this is what happened.

The key to eliminating no ignorance is education. I've seen some of the posts in the past few days and joined the forum to educate. I can't be upset or angry at someone for simply not knowing, but I can educate and eradicate ignorance.

Take a deep breath and know you're not alone in seeing comments and throwing your hands in the air. This too, shall pass.
 
Some of the comments on here were not out of hate or bigotry. They were out of ignorance and not knowing. On the cross, Christ said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

We we can show empathy and come from a place of understanding. There are many gay stereotypes out there for many reasons and sadly, many of these stereotypes are true. We can get into an extremely debate about what happens in the gay world, but one must wonder, how can we expect people who know nothing of our experience to take us seriously when our idea of pride for ourselves is to parade around in public wearing underwear? The point is that some people simply don't know who we are. Many of us are professionals, in committed relationships, and more.

People do make mistakes. Joey may have made one by going with the wrong person or responding to the wrong ad. We don't know. With that in mind, also accept that people on this forum make mistakes as well. We all bare one common thread together - we wonder what happened to Joey and would like him to be safely home.

In this case, Joey's sexual orientation plays an important role. It can lead to figuring out what happened. People have come up with all kinds of scenarios based on limited knowledge and for that we can't judge them. It's a fact of gay history that cruising was once very popular. It may not have been an activity you or I would partake in, but others did. While I completely rule it out based on the circumstances, I can understand how someone might be curious if this is what happened.

The key to eliminating no ignorance is education. I've seen some of the posts in the past few days and joined the forum to educate. I can't be upset or angry at someone for simply not knowing, but I can educate and eradicate ignorance.

Take a deep breath and know you're not alone in seeing comments and throwing your hands in the air. This too, shall pass.

Wonderful post!!
 
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