OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #3

[cluciano63]

Okay. Some of my posts were deleted about the FB shenanigans... can someone let me know WHY?

Yes, my reply was as well, and I did not paste any FB entries, or break any WS rules, as far as I know. Is there a Mod here? thanks...

 

[deelytful1]

There was even someone (Denise) telling everyone to stop asking the family member questions and pointing out the same tactic, but no one on the group seemed interested in listening.

If JC did do it, the Considering Everything group just gave his side plenty of ammo to build a better defense.....

One more reason not to like Facebook, I guess.

Also, I've been trying to post a picture of what I see in the left side of KM's photo to help point it out to those who haven't noticed it, but I can't figure out how.

Help? :crazy:

Not sure how either I just zoomed in on my iPhone

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Going back to the song by this Luke, I think we may very well have found KM's mystery man if ever there was one.

As people have mentioned earlier, he LIKED a lot of her work and dedicated the video to her. Since it was posted on something like August 18th (only a few days after her disappearance), maybe he worked on it with her to help her deal with some of the things she was going through with JC.

But I think there's more to it.

Some of those lyrics ("I knew as soon as I was happy that you'd be gone" particularly sticks out for me, as well as the ones about calling it all off and growing up) really make it sound to me like the problems between KM and JC had been going on for awhile, and this Luke guy was one of KM's friends from college that JC didn't know.

Luke might have been a confidant for KM, but thinking about it more, why does a guy usually dedicate a video like this to a girl?

Also, one of the commenters calls him "too freakin' sweet", which makes me think Luke and KM might have been turning into something more than just friends.

I think he knows the real deal, and I hope LE is talking to him.

Haha, sorry if this is repeating what you guys have already said, I haven't had as much time in the last couple days to read every single post....

Does anyone know if the local police have warned the citizens of Fairfield to be careful of a crazy lunatic kidnapping young women in the middle of the night?
Sometimes the police will hint at things to let the public know if everyone is in danger or they think the crime is not random.
If the Police thought this was some random crime, wouldn't they have some sort of warning in the community? Maybe they have.

There was even someone (Denise) telling everyone to stop asking the family member questions and pointing out the same tactic, but no one on the group seemed interested in listening.

If JC did do it, the Considering Everything group just gave his side plenty of ammo to build a better defense.....

One more reason not to like Facebook, I guess.

Also, I've been trying to post a picture of what I see in the left side of KM's photo to help point it out to those who haven't noticed it, but I can't figure out how.

Help? :crazy:

Not everyone at CE gave them anything, I refused to ask ONE question. That was an attention seeking young girl trying to make herself look important in my opinion.

In regards to the video there is a pissed off instructor saying the video wasn't about Katelyn but dedicated to her....:waitasec: also she is pretty disturbed that the video is "bothersome" to anyone.

A question to you veteran sleuthers around here, Could the CE admin either be LE or could LE be "helping" her with the page? Sometimes her post seem almost a little too professional. :banghead:

 

[SnoopyDoobyDoo]

New here, and having just read all the facts presented in the threads over a short period of time, I *think* I have a way of explaining the so-called inconsistencies in JC's case. I don't necessarily have a gut feeling either way regarding his guilt or innocence, but nothing noted as weird strikes me as that unusual.

Saturday night, Katelyn and John cancel plans because she is tired and just wants to unwind. She has a lot of stresses currently, and sometimes you just need to chill out. Not worry about organising this or planning that. They hang out, low key, then she is tired and he (on a different sleep schedule because of work) leaves for his friend's place. She takes awhile to fall asleep and texts him- I know plenty of people who send texts, browse the internet, read books, etc. to turn their minds off. The difference between tired and sleepy. At some point she texts him a photo- maybe she meant to show him while he was there and forgot. Personally, I've been known to text people before they even get to the end of the road. :crazy:

When he is at his friend's, the "burning documents" are either real documents or pot. If it's pot, her comment about wanting to be there makes sense- she'd like to, but she's tired and has work the next morning. If it's real documents- and burning docs because you don't have a shredder makes sense to me, and it didn't even have to be outside if the friend had a woodstove or similar -"Wish I was there" might mean she wishes she didn't have work/wasn't tired/whatever, or she thinks seeing school documents burn up when she's stressed out over her senior project would be cathartic, or it was a cutesy-wootsy sentiment that she didn't mean literally. Either way, texts are exchanged and he eventually heads home.

At home, he texts her his standard "Good morning" for when she wakes up. He probably stirs and checks his phone a couple of times through the day, maybe texts her again, but doesn't get up until 4:30 for work. Reconciling the texts/no texts while working thing, I assume she would usually check her phone during breaks/lunch and reply then, but if she was busy it wasn't completely out of character not to get a response. It's pretty common to text somebody so they can reply when free, and working retail you aren't always free during your shift. He drives past her place on his way to work and sees her car- knowing she isn't at work and yet hasn't texted him back is out of character and he starts to worry. Maybe she's sick, or hurt, or whatever. Or he doesn't, but knows it would be late to not have had lunch and/or that timeframe means she should have been off job1 and headed to job2.

Still worried (that she's sick/freaking out from the stress/something suggested by their previous evening together), he leaves work early and sees her car still there. It's approaching the time she'd be returning from work, but it's (1) on the early side for that to be the case, and (2) he knows the car has been there for awhile but she hasn't replied to his text yet. Maybe he convinced himself the first viewing of the car was a mistake, or she had run home for something for work, or whatever. He pops into her house, notices the keys and purse there but she's not. Weird, but maybe she ran out. She might even have a spare key she keeps for walks around the block or whatever, small enough to slip into the pocket instead of carrying a purse. There was speculation she kept a spare outside, right? He calls people, drives around to check a few local spots, and after no luck really does start to worry. He phones 911 on his way back, says he knows he should wait 24 hours (which isn't completely true, but has seeped into popular conscience as a die hard fact) but he is freaking out, tries to think of any explanation or piece of information that could help and babbles. It's pretty common for people to do so- I've been long haunted by a 911 call where a woman realises she left her child in the car accidentally and starts saying things like "Why didn't the babysitter call?" She wasn't blaming the babysitter, she was just trying to find some explanation, some way for the situation to be undone.


I think that reconciles everything JC and LE have stated, and doesn't rely on any FB rumours to do so. All perfectly reasonable, I think. Am I missing anything? Like I said, I'm definitely hanging out on the fence, but reading through the past few weeks of threads over 24 hours gives a different picture than being invested from the beginning, participating in Facebook discussion, etc. The above explanation is what first occured to me, rather than complicated lies. With LE being so tight lipped about timelines and facts, it's really hard to narrow anything down with public information. I only hope that it is allowing them to find Katelyn and bring her/her remains home and catch the perpetrator.

Subsequent info we've gained indicated she didn't smoke.

Just curious, can you remember the source? I thought I read somewhere (MySpace?) that she did, but it was old information. And not smoking doesn't rule out going outside, as I'm a nonsmoker and love to pop outside at night, even if it's raining. I find it refreshing and it helps me sleep.

 

[divinedragon]

I stated early on in my original post on this subject:

"Though this hasn't been confirmed..."

and

"Assuming this photo was indeed KM's final text..."

Again, so much of this is based on things we simply don't know at this point. The only reason I went ahead and mentioned it at all is because I can see the reflection of a phone in the photograph, which I found interesting and worth sharing. Maybe that phone belongs to some assistant on the Nancy Grace show, sure. We simply don't know. And I would rather mention it and have someone help me eliminate possibilities than just sit on it and wonder.

Like I said, it may very well be nothing of interest. I try very hard to focus on facts only, and to ignore/eliminate anything that is not based on fact. In this case, I'm just guessing on a lot of things, which I don't normally do; the sole reason I am even talking about this is because it is a FACT that there is a cell phone illuminated by the flash and reflected in that photograph. I do not know, or claim to know, who the owner of that phone is. I simply thought it was worth mentioning.

A great piece of analysis in any case.

 

[cluciano63]

New here, and having just read all the facts presented in the threads over a short period of time, I *think* I have a way of explaining the so-called inconsistencies in JC's case. I don't necessarily have a gut feeling either way regarding his guilt or innocence, but nothing noted as weird strikes me as that unusual.

Saturday night, Katelyn and John cancel plans because she is tired and just wants to unwind. She has a lot of stresses currently, and sometimes you just need to chill out. Not worry about organising this or planning that. They hang out, low key, then she is tired and he (on a different sleep schedule because of work) leaves for his friend's place. She takes awhile to fall asleep and texts him- I know plenty of people who send texts, browse the internet, read books, etc. to turn their minds off. The difference between tired and sleepy. At some point she texts him a photo- maybe she meant to show him while he was there and forgot. Personally, I've been known to text people before they even get to the end of the road. :crazy:

When he is at his friend's, the "burning documents" are either real documents or pot. If it's pot, her comment about wanting to be there makes sense- she'd like to, but she's tired and has work the next morning. If it's real documents- and burning docs because you don't have a shredder makes sense to me, and it didn't even have to be outside if the friend had a woodstove or similar -"Wish I was there" might mean she wishes she didn't have work/wasn't tired/whatever, or she thinks seeing school documents burn up when she's stressed out over her senior project would be cathartic, or it was a cutesy-wootsy sentiment that she didn't mean literally. Either way, texts are exchanged and he eventually heads home.

At home, he texts her his standard "Good morning" for when she wakes up. He probably stirs and checks his phone a couple of times through the day, maybe texts her again, but doesn't get up until 4:30 for work. Reconciling the texts/no texts while working thing, I assume she would usually check her phone during breaks/lunch and reply then, but if she was busy it wasn't completely out of character not to get a response. It's pretty common to text somebody so they can reply when free, and working retail you aren't always free during your shift. He drives past her place on his way to work and sees her car- knowing she isn't at work and yet hasn't texted him back is out of character and he starts to worry. Maybe she's sick, or hurt, or whatever. Or he doesn't, but knows it would be late to not have had lunch and/or that timeframe means she should have been off job1 and headed to job2.

Still worried (that she's sick/freaking out from the stress/something suggested by their previous evening together), he leaves work early and sees her car still there. It's approaching the time she'd be returning from work, but it's (1) on the early side for that to be the case, and (2) he knows the car has been there for awhile but she hasn't replied to his text yet. Maybe he convinced himself the first viewing of the car was a mistake, or she had run home for something for work, or whatever. He pops into her house, notices the keys and purse there but she's not. Weird, but maybe she ran out. She might even have a spare key she keeps for walks around the block or whatever, small enough to slip into the pocket instead of carrying a purse. There was speculation she kept a spare outside, right? He calls people, drives around to check a few local spots, and after no luck really does start to worry. He phones 911 on his way back, says he knows he should wait 24 hours (which isn't completely true, but has seeped into popular conscience as a die hard fact) but he is freaking out, tries to think of any explanation or piece of information that could help and babbles. It's pretty common for people to do so- I've been long haunted by a 911 call where a woman realises she left her child in the car accidentally and starts saying things like "Why didn't the babysitter call?" She wasn't blaming the babysitter, she was just trying to find some explanation, some way for the situation to be undone.


I think that reconciles everything JC and LE have stated, and doesn't rely on any FB rumours to do so. All perfectly reasonable, I think. Am I missing anything? Like I said, I'm definitely hanging out on the fence, but reading through the past few weeks of threads over 24 hours gives a different picture than being invested from the beginning, participating in Facebook discussion, etc. The above explanation is what first occured to me, rather than complicated lies. With LE being so tight lipped about timelines and facts, it's really hard to narrow anything down with public information. I only hope that it is allowing them to find Katelyn and bring her/her remains home and catch the perpetrator.



Just curious, can you remember the source? I thought I read somewhere (MySpace?) that she did, but it was old information. And not smoking doesn't rule out going outside, as I'm a nonsmoker and love to pop outside at night, even if it's raining. I find it refreshing and it helps me sleep.

All of what you say could be true. It is just hard to know...lots of people who have later been convicted of murdering a spouse or loved one did all the logical things when reporting the "accident" or the "missing" person. When the person who commits the act is also the person to report it, they have "control" of the story, so they have the first chance to make it all sound logical. Only time will tell, that is, if this case isn't added to the unsolved/unfound pile...

 

[SnoopyDoobyDoo]

All of what you say could be true. It is just hard to know...lots of people who have later been convicted of murdering a spouse or loved one did all the logical things when reporting the "accident" or the "missing" person. When the person who commits the act is also the person to report it, they have "control" of the story, so they have the first chance to make it all sound logical. Only time will tell, that is, if this case isn't added to the unsolved/unfound pile...

Yeah, I definitely don't mean to imply that it is what happened, just that the inconsistencies are fairly easy to reconcile, especially if you think that JC is either (1) not good with words, or (2) obscuring certain facts per LE request, which is what the stalker denial (and potentially the friend visit early in the evening) struck me as possibly being. Whether or not any of it is true is up for debate, and because there isn't a lot of information released there is plenty of room to do so.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

There was even someone (Denise) telling everyone to stop asking the family member questions and pointing out the same tactic, but no one on the group seemed interested in listening.

If JC did do it, the Considering Everything group just gave his side plenty of ammo to build a better defense.....

One more reason not to like Facebook, I guess.

Also, I've been trying to post a picture of what I see in the left side of KM's photo to help point it out to those who haven't noticed it, but I can't figure out how.

Help? :crazy:

Going to share with everyone what I shared with Sphere - since we have several newer members here!

If you have a photobucket -
upload pic
resize to no more than 500 (width or height)
then copy and paste the code and the pic will show in your post.

If you don't have photobucket - or don't want one!
[url]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=photos&match=all&titlesonly=0[/url]

BTW - if you wonder about anything (avatar, siggy line, etc) if you hit
Home
Forums
Then go to the bottom of that page
[URL="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/faq.php"]Frequently Asked Questions[/URL]
Click that and you can search - and it is very good!
I find using only one word best - like avatar or signature vs How do I upload an avatar.

Hope this helps someone if not ignore! LOL

 

[willw84uboaz]

Going to share with everyone what I shared with Sphere - since we have several newer members here!

If you have a photobucket -
upload pic
resize to no more than 500 (width or height)
then copy and paste the code and the pic will show in your post.

If you don't have photobucket - or don't want one!
[url]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=photos&match=all&titlesonly=0[/url]

BTW - if you wonder about anything (avatar, siggy line, etc) if you hit
Home
Forums
Then go to the bottom of that page
[URL="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/faq.php"]Frequently Asked Questions[/URL]
Click that and you can search - and it is very good!
I find using only one word best - like avatar or signature vs How do I upload an avatar.

Hope this helps someone if not ignore! LOL[/quote]

It helped alot. Thanks!

 

[Columbo]

Okay. Some of my posts were deleted about the FB shenanigans... can someone let me know WHY?

I have no idea--I didn't notice anything obnoxious! Maybe you should message the moderators privately--I think they would give you an explanation--you've been a steady contributor to this case and deserve to know what happened.....JMO

 

[Sphere]

Going back to the picture-

Here is an image showing the notable reflections in the photo that (so far) we are assuming that was sent to, or taken by, JC:

I've highlighted the reflections of the phone/camera and what seems to be a ring (both were brought up earlier by other members), as well as circling the distortion on the left side of KM's face.

I can't tell exactly what it is, but it definitely doesn't seem like KM.

My first thoughts went to either a man with a beard or a mask.

Thanks to A_News_Junkie for help with the photo (and if I somehow messed up the link, feel free to post the pic, A_News_Junkie...in the past, I've found amazing ways to be technologically inadept).

Woohoo, it worked!

 

[willw84uboaz]

Any word on whether TES will search again tomorrow?

 

[cluciano63]

Any word on whether TES will search again tomorrow?

Their website said they would be back on Thursday, as of Saturday night anyway.

 

[baabaablacksheep]

New here, and having just read all the facts presented in the threads over a short period of time, I *think* I have a way of explaining the so-called inconsistencies in JC's case. I don't necessarily have a gut feeling either way regarding his guilt or innocence, but nothing noted as weird strikes me as that unusual.

Saturday night, Katelyn and John cancel plans because she is tired and just wants to unwind. She has a lot of stresses currently, and sometimes you just need to chill out. Not worry about organising this or planning that. They hang out, low key, then she is tired and he (on a different sleep schedule because of work) leaves for his friend's place. She takes awhile to fall asleep and texts him- I know plenty of people who send texts, browse the internet, read books, etc. to turn their minds off. The difference between tired and sleepy. At some point she texts him a photo- maybe she meant to show him while he was there and forgot. Personally, I've been known to text people before they even get to the end of the road. :crazy:

When he is at his friend's, the "burning documents" are either real documents or pot. If it's pot, her comment about wanting to be there makes sense- she'd like to, but she's tired and has work the next morning. If it's real documents- and burning docs because you don't have a shredder makes sense to me, and it didn't even have to be outside if the friend had a woodstove or similar -"Wish I was there" might mean she wishes she didn't have work/wasn't tired/whatever, or she thinks seeing school documents burn up when she's stressed out over her senior project would be cathartic, or it was a cutesy-wootsy sentiment that she didn't mean literally. Either way, texts are exchanged and he eventually heads home.

At home, he texts her his standard "Good morning" for when she wakes up. He probably stirs and checks his phone a couple of times through the day, maybe texts her again, but doesn't get up until 4:30 for work. Reconciling the texts/no texts while working thing, I assume she would usually check her phone during breaks/lunch and reply then, but if she was busy it wasn't completely out of character not to get a response. It's pretty common to text somebody so they can reply when free, and working retail you aren't always free during your shift. He drives past her place on his way to work and sees her car- knowing she isn't at work and yet hasn't texted him back is out of character and he starts to worry. Maybe she's sick, or hurt, or whatever. Or he doesn't, but knows it would be late to not have had lunch and/or that timeframe means she should have been off job1 and headed to job2.

Still worried (that she's sick/freaking out from the stress/something suggested by their previous evening together), he leaves work early and sees her car still there. It's approaching the time she'd be returning from work, but it's (1) on the early side for that to be the case, and (2) he knows the car has been there for awhile but she hasn't replied to his text yet. Maybe he convinced himself the first viewing of the car was a mistake, or she had run home for something for work, or whatever. He pops into her house, notices the keys and purse there but she's not. Weird, but maybe she ran out. She might even have a spare key she keeps for walks around the block or whatever, small enough to slip into the pocket instead of carrying a purse. There was speculation she kept a spare outside, right? He calls people, drives around to check a few local spots, and after no luck really does start to worry. He phones 911 on his way back, says he knows he should wait 24 hours (which isn't completely true, but has seeped into popular conscience as a die hard fact) but he is freaking out, tries to think of any explanation or piece of information that could help and babbles. It's pretty common for people to do so- I've been long haunted by a 911 call where a woman realises she left her child in the car accidentally and starts saying things like "Why didn't the babysitter call?" She wasn't blaming the babysitter, she was just trying to find some explanation, some way for the situation to be undone.


I think that reconciles everything JC and LE have stated, and doesn't rely on any FB rumours to do so. All perfectly reasonable, I think. Am I missing anything? Like I said, I'm definitely hanging out on the fence, but reading through the past few weeks of threads over 24 hours gives a different picture than being invested from the beginning, participating in Facebook discussion, etc. The above explanation is what first occured to me, rather than complicated lies. With LE being so tight lipped about timelines and facts, it's really hard to narrow anything down with public information. I only hope that it is allowing them to find Katelyn and bring her/her remains home and catch the perpetrator.



Just curious, can you remember the source? I thought I read somewhere (MySpace?) that she did, but it was old information. And not smoking doesn't rule out going outside, as I'm a nonsmoker and love to pop outside at night, even if it's raining. I find it refreshing and it helps me sleep.

Hello! That's a great summation. However, I do have a question, I was under the impression that he did not drive by her house on the way to work, that where the pizza place was it wouldn't make sense and that his step sister confirmed it...is that not the case?

 

[Truman]

Sorry, but I have to bring it back to the picture just one more time. I saw the flash reflection but didn't really "get it" until I saw a different copy of the same photo on FB. The discoloration Sphere mentioned might be the edge of the phone. For those of you who are interested, zoom in on the photo at the link below.

KM FB Photo

P.S. This is the photo that MAY have been the last text KM sent. That is an assumption only. It may not have any relevance, may have been taken by anyone with any picture-recording apparatus.

 

[baabaablacksheep]

Going back to the picture-

Here is an image showing the notable reflections in the photo that (so far) we are assuming that was sent to, or taken by, JC:

I've highlighted the reflections of the phone/camera and what seems to be a ring (both were brought up earlier by other members), as well as circling the distortion on the left side of KM's face.

I can't tell exactly what it is, but it definitely doesn't seem like KM.

My first thoughts went to either a man with a beard or a mask.


Thanks to A_News_Junkie for help with the photo (and if I somehow messed up the link, feel free to post the pic, A_News_Junkie...in the past, I've found amazing ways to be technologically inadept).

Woohoo, it worked!

I just took it as the natural shadows, especially the top, where the temple is. That is where a shadow naturally would fall, however, The one going down her face (which could be caused by the cheek bone) stops almost perfectly with the one from the eyebrow, like it's been cut off another photo and put on there (not saying that is the case, just an example.) Also, the "shadow" on her cheek goes straight down into the shadow of her neck and it causes a shadow on the shadow (that part of the shadow is darker) that wouldn't make sense if it was just from her cheekbone, that shadow value should be consistent.... I wish there was a clearer view of the picture of a picture...maybe I just missed it.

 

[JeannieC]

The Licking River in Kentucky flows north and empties into the Ohio River right opposite downtown Cincinnati. So I don't think bodies from Ohio can drift downstream to Falmouth; it'd be against the current.

Thank for the info on the direction of the river flow. Do you have a link to where we could check on the flows of different rivers and bodies of water. Would be great to have for future look-ups.

Thanks

 

[baabaablacksheep]

Sorry, but I have to bring it back to the picture just one more time. I saw the flash reflection but didn't really "get it" until I saw a different copy of the same photo on FB. The discoloration Sphere mentioned is the edge of the phone. For those of you who are interested, zoom in on the photo at the link below.

KM FB Photo

It didn't work for me I am really interested in seeing a better copy now.

 

[JeannieC]

Sorry, but I have to bring it back to the picture just one more time. I saw the flash reflection but didn't really "get it" until I saw a different copy of the same photo on FB. The discoloration Sphere mentioned is the edge of the phone. For those of you who are interested, zoom in on the photo at the link below.

KM FB Photo

It sure does look like it!

 

[baabaablacksheep]

It sure does look like it!

Weird, the linked worked on your post just fine for me.