OH - Kathryn, 54, & James Stockdale, 21, shot to death, Stark Co., 15 June 2017

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JMO, the answers to these questions are non-answers! The answers sound like canned responses without any feeling.

I remember this episode. There was so much difference in the two households, I wondered why the producers put these families together!

As I watched the video of the family on stage, they are a very talented group. Bluegrass is not my genre, so I can't comment on their music.

My intuition is that Jacob wanted out of the musical group. Mom with her controlling / dominating personality would not hear of it. After all, this was a family group and well known in the area. She would not stand for the group being just two people.

Brother James was taking Mom's side and told Jacob he could not leave the group. A huge argument had been going on, when Mom went upstairs to bed.
Now, did Jacob get his gun, go upstairs and shoot Mom, then come
back downstairs to shoot James too? Jacob, being 25, had been told one time too many by Mom of what he was going to do in his life.

My opinions only.

Where was father in all this?

Spellbound said:
Google cache page of Interview with parents after the Wife Swap show

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...://stockdalefamilyband.com/parent-interviews/

[h=1]INTERVIEW WITH TIM AND KATHY STOCKDALE[/h]Q: Why did you want to be on Wife Swap?
A: My husband Tim and I had no personal need to be on the Wife Swap TV show. Our sons were especially eager to try it and we, being adventurous home-school parents, couldn't deny our sons such a unique learning experience that a national TV show brings. So, in a nutshell, we did it for the kids!!
Q: What parts of the swap did you enjoy?
A: Our family really enjoyed it.
Q: What parts of the swap did you find the hardest?
A: My swap family had 4 "children" of ages 17 years and older. So relating and dealing with 5 adult minds was a big challenge!
Q: How did the kids cope with the swap?
A: Back home the guys supported one another in whatever situation arose, just like they would normally do. At least once that I know of, one of the boys respectfully confronted the Swap Mom, Laurie, on problems that he saw. That made me particularly proud.
Q: Do you relate to your family differently?
A: Being a farm, home-schooling, bluegrass band family, we enjoy a lot of common experiences, but we have to chalk the Wife Swap adventure as the grand family bonding experience for the Stockdales for which we will never be the same. We relate differently in that we have even more and deeper collective experiences where we overcame obstacles and accomplished a giant task together. No one else will understand the Wife Swap journey like we do and that is one of the things that will make our family unit different and special forever.
Q: Would you do it again?
A: Would I go through junior high school again? Would I endure childbirth again? Would I play Monopoly for a second round? Aaaaaa-No. Each one of these experiences is worthwhile and so was Wife Swap, but I accomplished what I set out to do the first time.
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A bizarre story. Wonder if bitterness towards a dominating mom, or jealousy of a favored son kicked off the incident.
Ok...I'm just guessing.


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Jennifer17 said:
I wonder which one was lying at the front door with a shotgun near him? The officer heard a shot from inside the house. It doesn't seem like it would be from the gun with the body at the front door, if he was standing there.
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Yes very strange


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gitana1 said:
Good question. How did any of them know about the show?
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Via their church, maybe? Or a homeschooling network? I susspect the show was specificially looking for a religious HS family and was probably putting out feelers.
 
gitana1 said:
It doesn't explain it. The neighbor reported hearing 10-12 shots.
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It wasn't this article. my apology for not being clearer. that TMZ article was where I read about the mother being shot twice.
 
Ellmau said:
It is. Maybe I'm completely wrong and both young men were armed? Some kind of shootout? Both involved?

I hope Jacob is willing to talk.
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Police Report: http://radaronline.com/wp-content/u...ly-murder-crime-scene-details-docs-signed.pdf

It makes me wonder, too. according to the police report, a victim (already dead) was found at the front door with a shotgun by the body, as they arrived. As officer was going to ask if victim was OK they heard another gunshot and retreated. I would guess the shot they heard was the last "victim" in the kitchen (about 20 feet away, I read somewhere). The one "by the door" could not be Jacob if he was already dead, and reports have James being the one killed. The other shot they heard had to come from another weapon, so two should be apparent at the scene.

Either I am totally confused, or this is not making sense to me. What am I missing here? Could James have shot mother, then Jacob shot James as he tried to leave the house? Or after mom was killed, James took a shotgun to protect himself, and was shot leaving?

The empty shells should tell if both killings were from the same weapon, right?

help me, people. Am I totally off-base here?
 
Jennifer17 said:
Yes, I can go with that about the show, but why would a deeply religious family lie about their lifestyle for a trashy TV show?
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Money. Also I'm sure the scouts for these shows don't approach mentally stable, well adjusted, all American families. That makes for boring tv right? I'm just thinking there is a different level to this tragedy that probably has little to do with that silly show. I'm sure so much of that was made up, coached, magnified. What happened to them AFTER their exposure on the show may have more bearing on the families health and stability. Reality TV is famous for destroying lives. Again jmo.

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What if both boys had a suicide pact? What if the plan was to shoot mom, then themselves?


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:thinking: I give up :(

Sheriff's deputies responded to a 911 hang-up call Thursday afternoon from the Stockdale's Dolphin Street S.W. farm in Bethlehem Township, and as they approached the home heard a gunshot. Deputies found Jacob Stockdale on the floor in the doorway of the home with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

http://www.the-review.com/local news/2017/06/21/gatehouse-ohio-media


ETA Maybe Jacob was found in the kitchen doorway? James found at other doorway?
 
ninij9 said:
What if both boys had a suicide pact? What if the plan was to shoot mom, then themselves?


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Oh wow. I never considered. I just assumed one son was the shooter and the other a victim. But now that you mention it I remembered the Bever brothers worked together to kill their family.
 
What if Jacob shot mom, and James heard. He grabs his gun. The two confront one another in kitchen. Two things could possibly happen here. Jacob prepared to kill himself is stopped by his brother. His brother tell s him to put the gun down, to not shoot himself. jacob shoots brother as a result so that he can proceed to off himself. The other scenario. The two confront each other in the kitchen. James tells Jacob to put the gun down. Jacob misreads James and thinks James will shoot and so shoots him first. Perhaps he did not mean to off himself and after shooting James he realized everything had fallen apart. He thinks to call 911, dials, then decides to hang up. He wrestles with whether to shoot himself at this point. He presumes he has more time to consider. Police arrive. He hears them and he decides to bow out. These are all just other possible scenarios. Hope they make sense. An additional but highly unlikely scenario. James shoots mom, Jacob shoot James. Jacob realizing what he has done shoots himself.
 
I think it's most likely Jacob was already suicidal when he killed his mother. It's not as though he thought he'd get away with it. Perhaps his brother grabbed another gun to try to save himself, but a mentally healthy person would find it hard to shoot their brother.

EDITED to add: and if they did shoot, a mentally healthy person would want to stay alive to explain to his family and LE how it was self-defence.

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You all are making sense with the possible scenarios. Thank you for trying.

Tillicum, I don't see how it could be Jacob by the door if that is the one Police saw laying when they arrived and THEN they heard another shot. I would think the last shot from another area was the one who committed the other two murders ... ?
 
If she was shot twice and there turn out to be two guns, maybe they both shot her once and then killed (or tried to kill) themselves. That sounds pretty out there, but I've heard of crazier things.

ETA: Although with them all being in different rooms, nothing really makes a lot of sense to me.
 
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