VERDICT WATCH OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #85

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The below is a copy/paste from Angela's court docket. Her phone and mail privileges were revoked on 9/16/2019. Jake plead in April of 2021. Angela pled in Sept of 2021 and her privileges were restored on 9/10/2021 so I don't know how she was able to call Chris N. She lost her privileges in Sept of 2019 for trying to contract Rita N before she pled on her charges in Dec. of 2019.



The Court finds that on August 6, 2019, the State of Ohio filed a "Motion to Suspend Privileges," requesting that the Defendant's phone and mail privileges be suspended as a sanction for violating an order of this Court that the Defendant refrain from all contact, directly or indirectly, with several persons, one of whom is Rita Jo Newcomb (Journal Entry filed on January 10, 2019). Having heard the stipulations and arguments of counsel, the Court finds that the Defendant has violated the order of this Court by engaging in several telephone conversations with Rita Jo Newcomb and by exchanging written correspondence with Rita Jo Newcomb; and the Court further determines that the Defendant's violation of the order of this Court warrants restriction of the Defendant's telephone and mail privileges, as hereinafter set forth. Therefore, the Court hereby revokes, in part, the telephone and mail privileges of the Defendant, Angela Jo Wagner, including incoming and outgoing correspondence by telephone and mail, except for the Defendant's communication by telephone and mail with the Defendant's attorneys and with investigators and mitigation experts employed by the Defendant's attorneys. The Defendant's attorneys are as follows: Robert F. Krapenc, Attorney at Law 580 S. High Street, Suite 250 Columbus, Ohio 43215 Phone: (614) 221-5252 Mark Hunt, Attorney at Law 720 S. High Street, Columbus, Ohio 43206 Phone: (614) 444-5270 The Defendant may have telephone communication and written communication with her above-named attorneys and with investigators and mitigation experts employed by her attorneys only. All other communication by incoming and outgoing telephone calls and by incoming and outgoing mail is suspended until further notice by the Court. The Defendant's attorneys may request through motion that the Court grant the Defendant additional telephone and mail communication privileges, if deemed necessary to prepare and/or present the defense in this action. The Defendant was afforded an opportunity at the hearing held on September 16, 2019, to orally argue in support of the forty-nine (49) pre-trial motions filed by the Defendant in this action. The Defendant, through her attorneys, presented oral argument in support of some of her motions and submitted others solely upon the written memoranda. The State of Ohio was afforded an opportunity to orally argue in response to the Defendant's motions. The Defendant was then afforded an opportunity to argue in reply to the State of Ohio's responsive arguments.

09/10/2021ORDER RESTORING PRIVILEDGES--THIS ORDER MODIFIES THE SEPTEMBER 16, 2019 ORDER THAT REVOKED THE DEFENDANT'S TELEPHONE AND MAIL PRIVILEGES WITH EXCEPTIONS FOR HER ATTORNEYS, INVESTIGATORS AND MITIGATION EXPERTS. THE DELEWARE COUNTY JAIL IS ORDERED TO RESTORE DEFENDANT'S TELEPHONE AND MAIL PRIVILEGES. DEFENDANT CONTINUES TO BE SUBJECT TO THE COURT'S ORIGINAL ORDER PROHIBITING ANY CONTACT WITH CO-DEFENDANTS IN THIS CASE. FILED AND COPIES TO COUNSEL
She got JW on board, then she turned to Mommy Dearest or Mommy D had her lawyers buzz up AC. I didn't remember when the calls were and, tbh, too tired to look. I knew someone would! ;) Thank you. I have always thought AW saw the writing on the wall after JW confessed and, I don't buy her, "I couldn't let JW take it all" act either, she didn't want to die. She said she would but she didn't when she was staring it down and didn't know for sure what was in JW's deal (btw,can you imagine what that felt like to G4 if he's innocent?!).
 
I see all your points and agree, but, she let her emotions get in the way and she knows better. She wanted all four b/c she wanted all four wins. She could not prosecute only three or only two. Give us all four or no deal. I can see that. I can JWs attorney's not giving a flying flip about GW4 b/c they aren't his attorneys. She's a prosecutor first and foremost. She's taking some heat over this case too. I really think they pushed to get arrests and confessions before the five-year mark and it wouldn't hurt DeWine's run either.
Yes, I have seen this same argument made a few times now. I’ve thought about it & I still disagree. I’m not saying all prosecutors are above convicting innocent people. I am not naive, I know there are bad cops, bad prosecutors and I know there are innocent people in prison. I do.

I just happen to believe AC was emotionally invested in getting as close to the truth about what happened that night as she could. Don’t get me wrong, I very much believe she & Junk (and BCI) absolutely wanted to nail all 4 of their hides to the wall but I’m sorry, I can’t see them ignoring two separate witnesses to convict an innocent man. I just can’t. And as horrible of an excuse for a human as he is, I can’t see Jake putting his brother away for life if he truly wasn’t involved. I think he would have been adamant about George, if George was innocent.

I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, though. I am only explaining my own thought process because I really have given this one a lot of thought. I know it’s not on me but I do not want to see an innocent man go to prison.

What I very much want to see is a fair trial with justice for the victims and their families.
 
BBM why would he have told his attorneys? Why is Jake’s word the God’s honest truth now? I’m not arguing I’m genuinely curious why all of a sudden everyone thinks he’s being so truthful.
He only has to testify to the satisfaction of the prosecution. That's it.
 
Jmo I can’t put Jake on that pedestal and call him voice of reason after killing at Least five people. To me for Jake to accomplish people believing he is a voice of reason makes him scarier than ever. Jmo
Well according to the reporter who tweeted, he was very calm when he described in gruesome detail how he killed everyone.

JMO
 
In order to believe George's testimony we have to believe that for the first time ever there was a major plan going on in his house for months, purchases being made with his accounts, items bought, guns bought he didn't know about, conversations happening he never overheard not one, mom didn't vent to him about anything or discuss something as she rubbed his back one night (had to mention this lol), he literally had blinders and earplugs on for 3-4 months. Then he happens to give his dad money for a murder truck, and doesn't ever ask what happened to it or where it was or why, doesn't want repaid, just hands over 2500 from his safe and forgets all about it. Then his dad is over the night of the 21st and it's the first time since at least before Jan of that year he's there and it's not questioned at all just goes to bed at 10pm wakes up and even saying he would have heard someone leave because he'd here them, never heard anything, never overheard it discussed after, never saw weapons being cut up, never questioned a thing, just assumed BCI is framing us. Didn't overhear mom, dad, or Jake say anything after the fact, told Jake he should have burned a laptop and I think it was a phone because he again thought they were being framed. Screaming and raging on all those recordings, even terrifying his son because BCI again is framing them. Then when his brother confesses that is the first time he had ANY idea there was a plot and all that has been shared was going on while he lived in a house and was by all other witness testimony and accounts equally as involved and connected to family meetings and decision making and voting on life choices for everything else and they heard it, saw it, and knew about it from before AND after the murders. Nothing changed from before and after.. still talking, meeting, planning, voting, and anyone not in those 4 were excluded from those meetings.

Then if we believe all that, we also have to believe that BCI is actually trying to frame him, Jake and Angela both were able to match their stories of framing George all because they had no deal if they didn't lie and say George was there. The prosecution bribed them with deals and basically is blackmailing them to lie so they can get all 4 of them and frame George because he really is 100% innocent of any and all planning, participating and covering up of this crime.

Now not only that we have Jake's lawyers and Angela's lawyers also agreeing to allow them to lie or be coerced into getting on the stand and lying just so the state can frame George.

Then we have the recorded proffer that George's lawyers and George have heard. They heard it. Do you think if Jake said my brother didn't do anything, didn't know, had no idea until I confessed at any point during that proffer that the would play it they would say that, they would be screaming that. If anyone said to Jake you must implicate George or no deal, they would have been all over that. Just because it wasn't played for us does not mean there is conspiracy where EVERYONE involved in this case is in on it.

Then we have George's lawyers who would have to know recordings don't really exist of him at the border, but allow AC to reference them and read from them AND they themselves even read from them, but there really was no recording or transcript where George said any of what was read in court for him. And because NEITHER side played the recording there must be something hidden on it that proves he was innocent and is now being framed? AND the judge would also now be involved because he would surely know if BCI agents "messed up" and didn't record an interview and is now claiming they did and both lawyers are reading from a transcript that never exists? He literally heard arguments over playing these recordings vs not playing them. I think if there wasn't actually a recording at all he would know that, the defense wouldn't have argued to play it. They have all discovery so if there was no recording, they would have said that was never turned over to us, but they didn't say that they wanted to play it. They can't play it if they don't have it and so why wouldn't they then say, judge we have no recording of that interview.

Do I believe someone in LE can mess up, yes they are human. Do I believe they would get on the stand and lie no. Do I believe if they did lie on the stand and the defense had any proof of that they would expose it YES.

This isn't a case where one mistaken or one bad apple would have been at play in order to create this "Framing of George". Nearly everyone in this case would have to be in on this and I just don't believe that. Just because we want to hear recordings and we think if there was nothing bad on it, then they would play it, etc doesn't mean there isn't a reason (other than they must be framing George) that it isn't played. When the defense could have also played these recordings, I just don't see how anything helpful to George would be on it or they would have played it also.
You have a lot of things in there that was not testified to in court. Too many to list. So they are your assumptions and speculations.

JMO
 
If he wanted to change why continue to be with the people you don’t want to be like?

They were his family. Is there anyone in your own family that does things you don't approve of? Do you disown them and cut them out of your life completely because they do something you disapprove of?

JMO
Can’t say any of my family has done anything like this family has to disapprove of. So, I guess the answer is no…
 
Yes, I have seen this same argument made a few times now. I’ve thought about it & I still disagree. I’m not saying all prosecutors are above convicting innocent people. I am not naive, I know there are bad cops, bad prosecutors and I know there are innocent people in prison. I do.

I just happen to believe AC was emotionally invested in getting as close to the truth about what happened that night as she could. Don’t get me wrong, I very much believe she & Junk (and BCI) absolutely wanted to nail all 4 of their hides to the wall but I’m sorry, I can’t see them ignoring two separate witnesses to convict an innocent man. I just can’t. And as horrible of an excuse for a human as he is, I can’t see Jake putting his brother away for life if he truly wasn’t involved. I think he would have been adamant about George, if George was innocent.

I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, though. I am only explaining my own thought process because I really have given this one a lot of thought. I know it’s not on me but I do not want to see an innocent man go to prison.

What I very much want to see is a fair trial with justice for the victims and their families.
I see your point, why would a brother go against his brother? They do it every day. Murder even. I just don't see how she could get this case won w/o JW and could she win the case with only JW? JW started out with him alone taking credit. That's when AC interjected during opening and I couldn't understand why; b/c JW had changed his story and they were not playing the tape that the defense was quoting from, the MT audio. That's my theory and it's a huge hole. Not trying to change your mind, either, just trying to explain why I didn't think they reached Beyond A Reasonable Doubt standard. Maybe I was hoping for too much after six years. Not hitting back with G4's audio really bothers me too. It was the only interview he was given. If we were in the jury pool we'd be trying to sway one another though, so the discussion is a good thing. Some may be having similar discussions when they come back next week.
 
The lack of alibi doesn't really bother me. He was asleep. I imagine there were people coming and going, kids screaming and running amok, lots of adults screaming. The usual chaos. AW doesn't even know when they left, then she took a pill. Right.

The lie I'm having a hard time with is that George said he didn't know until JW's proffer, yet he knew the planned alibi (home watching movies) at the MT border. I don't think this alone makes him guilty of murder or conspiracy. If he knew after the fact, then he may be guilty of obstruction of justice, same as Rita.

What other lies? I'm having a hard time with the lack of transcript or tape from MT. Who says GW lied? Tabby, Beth and Chris were believable, but not completely solid as they testified from their individual perspective and memory. Both the defense and prosecution were afraid to call or recall witnesses to prove or disprove his testimony. Many of the witnesses could have testified for either the defense or the prosecution depending on the question. All the prosecution has is the paid testimony of Jake and Angela.

ETA: It does bother me that GW said he didn't dye his hair. Whyyyy?
George said he had earbuds on that night right after he went to bed and was listening to music. Many people on here commented on that when he said it.

JMO
 
I see your point, why would a brother go against his brother? They do it every day. Murder even. I just don't see how she could get this case won w/o JW and could she win the case with only JW? JW started out with him alone taking credit. That's when AC interjected during opening and I couldn't understand why; b/c JW had changed his story and they were not playing the tape that the defense was quoting from, the MT audio. That's my theory and it's a huge hole. Not trying to change your mind, either, just trying to explain why I didn't think they reached Beyond A Reasonable Doubt standard. Maybe I was hoping for too much after six years. Not hitting back with G4's audio really bothers me too. It was the only interview he was given. If we were in the jury pool we'd be trying to sway one another though, so the discussion is a good thing. Some may be having similar discussions when they come back next week.
Can AC bring in that interview in closing statements?
 
In order to believe George's testimony we have to believe that for the first time ever there was a major plan going on in his house for months, purchases being made with his accounts, items bought, guns bought he didn't know about, conversations happening he never overheard not one, mom didn't vent to him about anything or discuss something as she rubbed his back one night (had to mention this lol), he literally had blinders and earplugs on for 3-4 months. Then he happens to give his dad money for a murder truck, and doesn't ever ask what happened to it or where it was or why, doesn't want repaid, just hands over 2500 from his safe and forgets all about it. Then his dad is over the night of the 21st and it's the first time since at least before Jan of that year he's there and it's not questioned at all just goes to bed at 10pm wakes up and even saying he would have heard someone leave because he'd here them, never heard anything, never overheard it discussed after, never saw weapons being cut up, never questioned a thing, just assumed BCI is framing us. Didn't overhear mom, dad, or Jake say anything after the fact, told Jake he should have burned a laptop and I think it was a phone because he again thought they were being framed. Screaming and raging on all those recordings, even terrifying his son because BCI again is framing them. Then when his brother confesses that is the first time he had ANY idea there was a plot and all that has been shared was going on while he lived in a house and was by all other witness testimony and accounts equally as involved and connected to family meetings and decision making and voting on life choices for everything else and they heard it, saw it, and knew about it from before AND after the murders. Nothing changed from before and after.. still talking, meeting, planning, voting, and anyone not in those 4 were excluded from those meetings.

Then if we believe all that, we also have to believe that BCI is actually trying to frame him, Jake and Angela both were able to match their stories of framing George all because they had no deal if they didn't lie and say George was there. The prosecution bribed them with deals and basically is blackmailing them to lie so they can get all 4 of them and frame George because he really is 100% innocent of any and all planning, participating and covering up of this crime.

Now not only that we have Jake's lawyers and Angela's lawyers also agreeing to allow them to lie or be coerced into getting on the stand and lying just so the state can frame George.

Then we have the recorded proffer that George's lawyers and George have heard. They heard it. Do you think if Jake said my brother didn't do anything, didn't know, had no idea until I confessed at any point during that proffer that the would play it they would say that, they would be screaming that. If anyone said to Jake you must implicate George or no deal, they would have been all over that. Just because it wasn't played for us does not mean there is conspiracy where EVERYONE involved in this case is in on it.

Then we have George's lawyers who would have to know recordings don't really exist of him at the border, but allow AC to reference them and read from them AND they themselves even read from them, but there really was no recording or transcript where George said any of what was read in court for him. And because NEITHER side played the recording there must be something hidden on it that proves he was innocent and is now being framed? AND the judge would also now be involved because he would surely know if BCI agents "messed up" and didn't record an interview and is now claiming they did and both lawyers are reading from a transcript that never exists? He literally heard arguments over playing these recordings vs not playing them. I think if there wasn't actually a recording at all he would know that, the defense wouldn't have argued to play it. They have all discovery so if there was no recording, they would have said that was never turned over to us, but they didn't say that they wanted to play it. They can't play it if they don't have it and so why wouldn't they then say, judge we have no recording of that interview.

Do I believe someone in LE can mess up, yes they are human. Do I believe they would get on the stand and lie no. Do I believe if they did lie on the stand and the defense had any proof of that they would expose it YES.

This isn't a case where one mistaken or one bad apple would have been at play in order to create this "Framing of George". Nearly everyone in this case would have to be in on this and I just don't believe that. Just because we want to hear recordings and we think if there was nothing bad on it, then they would play it, etc doesn't mean there isn't a reason (other than they must be framing George) that it isn't played. When the defense could have also played these recordings, I just don't see how anything helpful to George would be on it or they would have played it also.
Well put my friend
 
Jmo has anyone seen the video when Parker called George to testify? I figured the prosecutors had a heads up at least heads-ups that morning, but after seeing that video they were completely caught off guard. Jmo
Absolutely caught off guard. They never expected that. LMAO.

JMO
 
I really like your posts. You have great insight into George's involvement. So many posters seem to think George wasn't in on the murder conspiracy with his family.

You give solid reasons why he is at least guilty of the murder conspiracy. Many posters think Jake and Angela are framing George and had to frame him to get a plea deal when that is not how it works.

If George was innocent Jake would have told his attorneys who would not allow Jake to deliberately lie under oath implicating an innocent man. Instead Jake would have just had a deal to testify in Billy's trial and to plead guilty.

Jake's attorneys have a code of ethics to follow. These are top notch attorneys who negotiated Jake's plea deal.
Jake is a psychopath that would put a bullet in his own brothers head then go kill 20 innocent people. Jake only loves and cares about JAKE.

JMO
 
I would be curious to have an expert weigh in on this. I assumed at the time this was because witnesses already had flights and due to them coming from Alaska it was hard to reschedule and it was hard to predict when exactly they would be needed ahead of time. I thought it would be only those witnesses that couldn't be moved around due to flights, then they ended up calling I think 6 witnesses that day and some of them were local. Then back to prosecution, then back to defense for the expert. I would love to know how common this is and if it's totally okay if both sides agree.
Canepa told the judge it was ok because she was not ready with her next witness. As usual during this trial she was totally unprepared. here is hoping there is a different prosecutor in Billy's trial.

JMO
 
I don't know, @rsd1200, but I don't think so. I think Trout was probably an a-hole, but I've seen nothing but the utmost professionalism and sincerity from every agent who has taken the stand. This guy Trout probably made their lives miserable, but they did their jobs in earnest and to the best of their ability.

Over a thousand tips called in and really, no real leads until the shell casings were spotted in the Wagner's Peterson Rd. driveway - by chance - and a full 13 months after the murders. There were so many moving parts, from collecting evidence from the scene, to autopsies, to social media, then the searches for a needle in a landfill. It was incredible investigative work years in the making. Yes, Trout could have screwed things up royally if even one of these dedicated & determined investigators had quit under his leadership. But they didn't. They were dedicated and they were determined, you can hear it in their voices and see it in their body language when they testified.

JMO
I'm only referencing agent Trout. He called the others of his team dysfunctional. I'd expect that if he was reprimanded. All on the witness stand seemed extremely professional. I don't think there will be room for appeal but I do wonder if Trout's leadership may have led to some of the holes.
 
I would be curious to have an expert weigh in on this. I assumed at the time this was because witnesses already had flights and due to them coming from Alaska it was hard to reschedule and it was hard to predict when exactly they would be needed ahead of time. I thought it would be only those witnesses that couldn't be moved around due to flights, then they ended up calling I think 6 witnesses that day and some of them were local. Then back to prosecution, then back to defense for the expert. I would love to know how common this is and if it's totally okay if both sides agree.
I strongly agree. Parker and Nash pulled some stunts during this trial that seem inappropriate, at the very least. Constantly messing with the schedule, then springing the defendant on the stand as a last minute surprise, giving the prosecution almost no time to prepare. Seems highly unethical and shady. Maybe we should ask Prairie Wind about it.
 
How does anyone pick and choose which lies to believe and which to not believe is what this boils down to in the end…
MOO
And we have a lot to choose from since Jake told so many. From the very beginning. "I reckon we just missed it by hours" is one of my favorites. LMAO

JMO
 
I would be curious to have an expert weigh in on this. I assumed at the time this was because witnesses already had flights and due to them coming from Alaska it was hard to reschedule and it was hard to predict when exactly they would be needed ahead of time. I thought it would be only those witnesses that couldn't be moved around due to flights, then they ended up calling I think 6 witnesses that day and some of them were local. Then back to prosecution, then back to defense for the expert. I would love to know how common this is and if it's totally okay if both sides agree.
Everyone agreed. I guess the defendant can choose when to testify. It's a big decision on their part. You're probably right about the locals and the flights and such. I ponder too much.
 
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