GUILTY OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #86

[rsd1200]

If anyone is coming in late;
James Pilcher's Summary of Parker and Wilson closing
Starting second thread for Wagner murder trial. Defense almost done with defense closings - then Andy Wilson will handle final rebuttal for prosecution. @Local12

 

[arielilane]

Stepping away for a bit. No tweets at this time other than what already posted. Will be back later.

 

[arielilane]

LIVE: Pike County murder trial: After a nearly three-month trial, closing arguments finished

WAVERLY, Ohio — The defense delivered their closing arguments to the jury Tuesday as the trial of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County begins to wind down after nearly three months. Following the defense, the prosecution completed their rebuttal before the jury was given their instructions ahead of deliberation.

 

[Dudly]

I think we can all agree if not for AW stirring her witches brew these murders would have never happened.

She wanted a daughter. She was going to get SW for her daughter come hell or high water…

 

[rsd1200]

She wanted a daughter. She was going to get SW for her daughter come hell or high water…

I agree Dudly, she wanted a daughter. Can you imagine how twisted that child's life would have become? Hopefully, the kids are in ongoing therapy/counseling.

 

[Dudly]

I can actually see him being the one to tell everyone else how their plan wouldn't work and why and inserting his opinion on how it should be done. I can see him criticizing Jake for the failed silencers, even having input on that murder truck like maybe not to title it in their name just acquire it and the get rid of it. I recall he was the one saying it wasn't a good idea to get it from family because it could be traced back to them. That's JMO for now since I don't have the tweet about it, but I'll look. Maybe it as Jake or Angela that said that.

He sure allowed Jake to wreck his truck. He seems to not to like to get his hands messy so to speak. Now isn't that convenient that he can say he didn't know things, didn't know about purchases, didn't see anything, didn't hear anything..

I know someone that scored in the 13th percentile on a memory test and has better recall than GWIV on matters extremely important to him…

 

[pamelado2]

Oh my word! Did I miss it or forget it - Andy Wilson talked about Dana's phone having no service and sending 7 texts at 3:30. That is the one thing I didn't understand, the timeline of them getting to Dana's so late.

The rebuttal was amazing and cleared up SO much.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Oh my word! Did I miss it or forget it - Andy Wilson talked about Dana's phone having no service and sending 7 texts at 3:30. That is the one thing I didn't understand, the timeline of them getting to Dana's so late.

The rebuttal was amazing and cleared up SO much.

First I've heard of the 7 texts.

Wonder if Jake/GW were monitoring her phone waiting for her to go to bed before they entered.

 

[Dudly]

I agree Dudly, she wanted a daughter. Can you imagine how twisted that child's life would have become? Hopefully, the kids are in ongoing therapy/counseling.

I don’t want to think what SW’s thoughts on the world would be if raised by AW….

 

[justtrish]

Oh my word! Did I miss it or forget it - Andy Wilson talked about Dana's phone having no service and sending 7 texts at 3:30. That is the one thing I didn't understand, the timeline of them getting to Dana's so late.

The rebuttal was amazing and cleared up SO much.

I recall something about Dana texting at 330, but I also recall thinking that was Jake making texts from her phone to throw things off. It makes so much more sense that they turned all the phones off so they wouldn't be shown as moving from point A to point B and back and forth. If they returned from Kenneth's and then he powered the phone on to see the time or whatever reason he did that and 7 came in at once, that makes a lot of sense and then the phone would still be pinging from the same general area as before. Maybe the reason to power up Danas phone was also to see if anyone was texting or calling her to check on them. Making sure none of her family members heard anything suspicious and texted or called to see if they were okay. I'm sure seeing that they were in the clear was very encouraging for them as they drove back to Peterson Road.

I kept wondering about the order of Dana and Hannah being murdered because of those texts.. again assuming Jake was texting to throw things off, but Andy cleared that right up.

Nothing officially reported on so JMO, but I recall seeing some comments that Dana's was posting or commenting on FB just after 1am, but that was it till that odd 330am text. Now it makes sense that she likely was killed just around that 1am time frame and phones turned off and then when they powered it on texts were sent or received then, but not between the times.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Back in session this afternoon for Wagner murder trial in Pike Co. - about to read jury instructions.

Judge Deering defining reasonable doubt - must firmly believe it is fact. And a reasonable person must be convinced it's true.

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We're now on charge 13 of 22. This is going to go awhile as expected. We may not get to deliberations starting today - they may dismiss the jury to start fresh tomorrow but we'll see.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/evanmillward

PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: #GeorgeWagnerIV and all attorneys are back in the courtroom. The judge will have to read all 150+ pages of jury instructions once the jury is brought back in. This WILL take a while.

WATCH LIVE: Judge Deering is reading through the jury instructions - including definitions they need for each charge and other more specific considerations.

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UPDATE: Judge Deering is on count 14 of 22 of jury instructions - and giving jurors an afternoon break.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/Angenette5

WATCH: Closing arguments resume in minutes in OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV. I'm in Waverly and will see you on tv later today https://youtube.com/watch?v=29jM3eOnKCM…
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Special prosecutor Andy Wilson finishes his rebuttal closing argument by telling the jury George Wagner IV is guilty of all charges. Lunch recess until 1 p.m. and then jury instructions

#GeorgeWagnerIV's attorney John Patrick Parker on Jake Wagner's testimony: "He's up there smirking... I think he's psychotic."

AFTERNOON BREAK IN OH v. #GeorgeWagner. Judge Deering is reading 150 pages of jury instructions to the jurors. We're on count 13. Break until 3:45 p.m. ET

Just got an update: 50 pages of the jury instructions to go

Judge Deering is now reading the jury instruction for the 22nd of the 22 counts in the indictment for #GeorgeWagnerIV

Now, Judge Deering is reading that complicity instruction that is so important to the state's case. It basically says that you don't have to be present or even have committed the actual act to be guilty of the crime.

The evidence has shown -through witness testimony- that #GeorgeWagnerIV didn't fire a shot that night. Jake Wagner said he fired GW4's SKS at Chris Sr.'s home after George "froze.”

But it has often seemed like the state didn't want to concede that point. Jake testified he didn't see well at night. There was testimony that GW4 hunted at night. So, it seems like prosecutors still think he may have fired that night.

GW4 says he wasn't even there that night. And only learned of the murders the next morning. Jake and Angela Wagner said GW4 was a part of the entire thing - from planning to cover-up.

Judge Deering now reading the instruction about viewing an accomplice's testimony with "grave suspicion" because they may have motive to lie. It's up to the jury to determine the credibility of each witness

The 5 remaining alternate jurors have been instructed that they should remain at the courthouse during deliberations. Judge Deering says he's going to let the jurors set their own schedule

Deliberations will begin tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. in OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV

 

[rsd1200]

First I've heard of the 7 texts.

Wonder if Jake/GW were monitoring her phone waiting for her to go to bed before they entered.

I think it could have been old texts, that could have been jammed, when they used the jammer for entering homes. B/c, if JW told it right on the stand, DR, was on the phone, on FB, when he went in. Her last two posts on FB were around about 12-1 a.m. (I posted the screengrab upthread of her posts). With sketchy service, it may have taken awhile for her service to reconnect and send the texts. Clark Kent making the point about G4 receiving the phone call about a charge from China was something I'd not heard about either. AW said she purchased that jammer. Either she checked with him before about using the card for a large sum of money, or, he knew. Mom's buying stuff for "the plan", let it go. If it was the latter, then, he's complicit.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/evanmillward

NOW: Judge Randy Deering is giving jurors the option to start deliberating tonight - or leave and come back tomorrow morning. [511PM]

 

[arielilane]

Recess until tomorrow. Return 8:30 am ET.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Back in session this afternoon for Wagner murder trial in Pike Co. - about to read jury instructions.

Judge Deering defining reasonable doubt - must firmly believe it is fact. And a reasonable person must be convinced it's true.

We're now on charge 13 of 22. This is going to go awhile as expected. We may not get to deliberations starting today - they may dismiss the jury to start fresh tomorrow but we'll see.

Finishing up with jury conduct and rules. They are supposed to retire to jury room tonight and figure out their schedule for tomorrow.

A juror has to leave for family issue. Jury is just reporting directly to the jury room at 8:30 a.m. tomorrow morning.

 

[twall]

I leave for 2 hrs and come home (I left the tv on with it muted) and Judge Deering is still talking...and talking! I have to make dinner now. Have a great night everyone!

 

[Bridginadentata]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher
Parker: George testified he confronted Jake after BCI interviews from Montana border and asked if he had anything to do with it. Why not hear the interview from George at the border?

This part is intriguing to me. With this and with George asking AC on the stand to see the transcripts, I am wondering if they weren’t allowed to use the border interview as evidence, and this was their way of trying to inform the jury that there’s information they don’t have. There’s lots of trials where certain things can’t be asked about.

This is a dumb question but can the Jury ask to hear it? I know it varies by star whether or not juries can ask questions, and the types of questions they can ask.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/evanmillward

PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: #GeorgeWagnerIV and all attorneys are back in the courtroom. The judge will have to read all 150+ pages of jury instructions once the jury is brought back in. This WILL take a while.

WATCH LIVE: Judge Deering is reading through the jury instructions - including definitions they need for each charge and other more specific considerations.

UPDATE: Judge Deering is on count 14 of 22 of jury instructions - and giving jurors an afternoon break.

NOW: Judge Randy Deering is giving jurors the option to start deliberating tonight - or leave and come back tomorrow morning. [511PM]

NOW: Judge Deering has agreed to let the jurors go home tonight- one mentioned having a conflict. They will come straight to the jury room at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.