Johnny B Bad
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- May 27, 2018
- Messages
- 2,165
- Reaction score
- 11,846
Hey if AC didn’t play the interview at the Border tape because George acted like he was innocent then why didn’t Parker play it????
GUILTY OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #86
- Thread starter tlcya
- Start date
- Status
FonescaFan
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jan 21, 2019
- Messages
- 118
- Reaction score
- 1,056
Finally the end of this trial! I want to again thank those who have posted reporters’ tweets— I really appreciate all your hard work! And prayers for the jury, they have such a crucial job to do. And I hope they find the defendant guilty on all charges.
IMO the trial did not change my opinion of who is responsible for the murders- it just reinforced it. The defendant is as guilty as Jake and Angela, and Billy. They are all sociopaths. MOO.
IMO the trial did not change my opinion of who is responsible for the murders- it just reinforced it. The defendant is as guilty as Jake and Angela, and Billy. They are all sociopaths. MOO.
The defense could have played it when George took the stand. The state was opposed to George's interview being played BEFORE he got on the stand (if he got on the stand) because he would basically be testifying without taking the stand. Once he took the stand the defense could have played that interview and so could the state IF THEY SAW FIT to do so. The state didn't need to play a 4 hour interview in order to ask George about what he said during that interview. He didn't deny any of the statements he made. I think if he did deny saying something important to the state they might have played it to show he did say it. George never denied any of the statements. He said I might have said that, I don't recall, etc. THAT was exactly what they state wanted from him. They didn't need to play it to prove he was conveniently not recalling the fake alibi he gave. The point was made. The defense didn't want to play it because his statements were not the same. He got on the stand and said something different.
George needed to say he went to bed at 10 on the stand. He couldn't say I went to bed at 1230 because we know 100% murders were happening before 1230. He knew what he said in that border interview. I think he knew EXACTLY what he said because it was the alibi they agreed to tell.
The defense was banking on the state not playing it and since they asked him about it they likely told him do not deny any statements because that will make them play the interview. The defense didn't want it played either or they would have played it. They just wanted to let George say oh I don't recall, I might have.. and hope the jury believed that crap story.
arielilane
Justice for Liz Barraza
Pike County murder trial: After a nearly three-month trial, closing arguments concluded
The defense delivered their closing arguments to the jury Tuesday as the trial of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County begins to wind down.
www.wcpo.com
Posted at 8:36 AM, Nov 29, 2022
and last updated 57 minutes ago
WAVERLY, Ohio — The defense delivered their closing arguments to the jury Tuesday as the trial of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County begins to wind down after nearly three months. Following the defense, the prosecution completed their rebuttal before the jury was given their instructions ahead of deliberation.
George Wagner IV — along with his mother Angela, father George "Billy" Wagner and brother Edward "Jake" Wagner — is accused of shooting and killing the Rhoden family members "execution-style." The family's bodies were found on April 22, 2016. He faces eight charges of aggravated murder, along with other charges associated with tampering with evidence, conspiracy and forgery.
Cool Cats
I EXPECT DOUGHNUTS
- Joined
- Dec 21, 2018
- Messages
- 12,489
- Reaction score
- 96,499
I think he didn't play it because it would make George look bad. Like saying he went to bed at 12:30 am but on the stand he says 10:00 pm. Plus other inconsistencies. See @justtrish's post above about it. Interesting post about it. Post #512
Last edited:
EXATLY! Why didn't he? Why didn't he tell us what size poor innocent George's foot is? Why didn't he asked to put some hay or straw on that truck the state built to show it bows down and nobody can fit in there without being crushed? Why didn't they play Jake's interview when he was on the stand? So many things they could have done if those things proved their client innocent right? If any of things proved him innocent, then they would be in BIG trouble for not sharing it. Yet, it's the state that is "the bad guy" for not doing this or that. There is no hidden agenda to frame George and if there was you better believe the defense would have played the proffer, played Jake's interview, played George's interview, had a truck modified to show George didn't fit, shared the shoe sizes and I'm sure many other things.
All we got were some character witnesses and George on the stand and a lot of suggestions of wrong doing or hiding things.. yet they could have played the same things if it cleared their client. If they had a recorded proffer that shows Jake said George is 100% innocent and the state says we won't accept that, give us George or no deal.. come on they would have played that and rested their case.
People are so annoyed with AC they want to see George free because she says Umm a lot and has bad hair or shows emotion like rolling her eyes.. I'm sorry the defense was just as icky and that doesn't mean I would hope George is found guilty just because I dislike how his lawyers go about things or because he's bald or whatever else.
well that turned into a rantDefense had the recording and apparently knew it would be of no help to them or they would have played it. They didn’t object when AC talked about his testimony not matching what he said in the interview. If she was wrong, they would have jumped all over that…
Chris_p_bacon
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Sep 5, 2021
- Messages
- 166
- Reaction score
- 1,552
I am really not sure. I wonder if it is possible that there was information on the interview tape that hurt George's defense (perhaps lying about when he went to bed) but until that becomes public we really do not know. I wonder if the prosecution did not play it because there was information that hurt the state's case either against George or Billy. I really do not know. I think information like that has to be turned over to both sides for a trial so I think both sides have the interview. In the end we really do not know what is on that tape until it becomes public.
I imagine them over there at the defense table saying hurry up and move along LOL George being advised to say I might have said that I don't recall OR the other favorite defense of it must have been the caffeine and lack of sleep or maybe it was those awful BCI agents framing us that made me say/do/act/feel that. It wasn't that I was lying or hiding anything, it was 5 years ago now and I just don't recall that, BUT what I do recall is my childhood and what I did/said/felt 15 years ago. I remember that very well.
You are right Billy still has to stand trial. We didn't hear much about him specifically and I'd say some things they might not have needed to share because they want to keep that case as close as possible. I'm sure Billy's lawyers are listening/watching intently for how to approach his case.
Jmo yelling kinda like George?
Memory is a funny thing. It depends on how it imprints on your mind, the anxiety you were under at the time, etc. I have vivid memories of certain events, but do I remember every conversation or when I went to bed on a certain day...nope.
But I can tell you where I was when jfk died, or when the planes hit the towers..those events left an imprint, but what I said or did those days...nope can't remember.
rsd1200
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Apr 25, 2016
- Messages
- 11,477
- Reaction score
- 30,748
Out of all of them, I do believe that JW, truly is a psychopath. Low functioning only b/c he was educated by his mother who is dangerously ignorant. The way he's been described by others, the way he spoke on the stand, he may have thought it was attention, and limelight, all were giving him, but they only gave him that attention to get what they wanted, everyone thinks he's an evil horrible person. He sees no wrong in what he did. In his world, it had to happen, is that too bad? Yes, but it was a means to his end. I've not seen such bizarre behaviour since that cop, Drew Peterson, was convicted of killing his wife, Staci (I don't think they have ever found her).
Cool Cats
I EXPECT DOUGHNUTS
- Joined
- Dec 21, 2018
- Messages
- 12,489
- Reaction score
- 96,499
I edited my first reply to your post to include:
Plus other inconsistencies. See @justtrish's post above about it. Interesting post about it. Post #512
Original post:
I think he didn't play it because it would make George look bad. Like saying he went to bed at 12:30 am but on the stand he says 10:00 pm.
Last edited:
ohioexpat63
On Time Out
- Joined
- May 21, 2016
- Messages
- 787
- Reaction score
- 7,235
Will 4 be transported to the courthouse tomorrow or will he have to wait until the jury reaches a verdict? Will he be in jail issued clothes when verdict is read or his biker vest?
Jmo I may be the only one but I think Parker did a great job. I didn’t know Angela stated the wrong color of truck. And I didn’t know Billy told her to get two pair of shoes. At thanksgiving I had someone say you know how tall and big so and so is (about same height at Billy) and guess what size of shoe he wears? They said 12. And that folks could be the reason the state never told shoe size because Billy and George may be the same size. And defense can’t use the size either if Billy and George are same size. Jmo
You know what this reminds me I saw a show where Drew Peterson's lawyer (past lawyer not current lawyer) was on talking about Drew and the crimes, etc. He is still bound by attorney client privilege and he wouldn't talk about what Drew told him, but his statement was when Drew is no longer alive, they will know what happened to Staci. The hosts pressed him on if he knew where she was and I believe he said he knew what happened to her or something like that.
He does now say he no longer trusts Drew and he would not represent him again because of that.
I know defense attorneys have a job to do, but man it's a tough pill to swallow to think that this man might know exactly where Staci's body is located and he won't say. Staci's kids live not knowing what happened to her and a man is allowed to confess something to his lawyer and then nothing.. no closure for her kids. One of the hosts said you would allow her kids to think it's still possible she just ran off and left them and you know otherwise and won't tell, not even send an anonymous tip to a tip line or something and he just kept saying he couldn't speak about it, but when Drew was no longer alive he thought she would be found.
Attorney/client I am assuming is not longer an issue if the client is dead. Horrible to think a LE officer knows how to get away with murder and does and tells his attorney and nothing can happen to him. Thankfully he's in prison for his other wife's murder or we might be dealing wtih dead wife number 4 or 5 by now.
Good points. I'm 5 ft and wear women's 10. So height/weight has no bearing on shoe size.
I thought client/atty privilege was forever.
- Status