OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #87

[Betty P]

Surprise. ETA Who's paying for him now?

It's still the same legal team, Parker & Nash. Not sure if the state pays for the same team, since he didn't receive the death penalty. Could be they're doing it pro bono. No idea really.

This shows all the instances when the state public defender can provide legal representation to indigent or incarcerated persons. IANAL, not sure how or if these thing apply. Could be that their claim that he needs a new trial still allows Parker & Nash to be paid by the state/county.

Section 120.06 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

codes.ohio.gov

(3) The state public defender may provide legal representation to any person incarcerated in any correctional institution of the state, in any matter in which the person asserts the person is unlawfully imprisoned or detained.

(4) The state public defender, in any case in which the state public defender has provided legal representation or is requested to do so by a county public defender or joint county public defender, may provide legal representation on appeal.

 

[Cool Cats]

This article is behind a paywall, I think. It mentioned trying to ask the jurors for interviews. Of all they managed to contact, only one juror might be open to do it anonymously, but it sounds like it will be way in the future, so not to interfere with legal actions against the Ws.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2022/12/15/pike-county-ohio-murder-case-george-wagner-iv-sentencing-monday/69707743007/

That never occurred to me, that what these jurors say could impact legal actions against the Wagners. I assume this means Billy and his possible trial.

I bet Billy's attorneys would love to hear what this jury has to say, it could influence how they defend Billy.

Then again, George is asking for a new trial and hasn't been sentenced yet. So I think after George is sentenced maybe a juror will talk or after Billy's trial.

Anyway, Canepa said she wanted to talk to the jury and I believe she knows why they voted guilty and so quickly.

So this can help her in Billy's trial. Jury doesn't have to talk to Billy's attorneys.

With Jake and Angela's testimony plus evidence like Billy telling Angela he had an idea, leaving his phone overnight at Peterson Rd for the first time in 2016, and buying and getting rid of the murder truck, and committing crimes with his family etc....

I don't think Billy has any chance of acquittal at trial.

 

[Cool Cats]

We can agree to disagree, that’s cool with me. I never said he was innocent, I never said he wasn’t involved. I never said he didn’t deserve punishment. I said he stepped to a different drummer because that’s how several witnesses described him. Several witnesses for the prosecution. I don’t need to argue about it. You heard the same testimony I did.

Right. He stayed out to all hours partying and out all night illegally killing innocent animals while Jake stayed home taking care of Angie's dogs and playing video games.

Otherwise, he was heavily enmeshed with The Wagner Crime Family. "The family has spoken."

George said this because he believed Angela's lies and voted Jake's wife out of the family.

"BCI wants to kill all of us for no reason because they are bad people."

This said to his young son who told George no, because even a kid didn't believe LE would want to kill him and his family.

 

[justtrish]

That never occurred to me, that what these jurors say could impact legal actions against the Wagners. I assume this means Billy and his possible trial.

I bet Billy's attorneys would love to hear what this jury has to say, it could influence how they defend Billy.

Then again, George is asking for a new trial and hasn't been sentenced yet. So I think after George is sentenced maybe a juror will talk or after Billy's trial.

Anyway, Canepa said she wanted to talk to the jury and I believe she knows why they voted guilty and so quickly.

So this can help her in Billy's trial. Jury doesn't have to talk to Billy's attorneys.

With Jake and Angela's testimony plus evidence like Billy telling Angela he had an idea, leaving his phone overnight at Peterson Rd for the first time in 2016, and buying and getting rid of the murder truck, and committing crimes with his family etc....

I don't think Billy has any chance of acquittal at trial.

Maybe AC wanted to speak to the jury to ask them to not speak until after Billy's trial or at least until his jury is seated. We don't need any more reason for appeal or for his defense to claim some unfair reason he needs a new trial or to relocate his trial.

 

[twall]

I assume this hearing is for MOTION NO. 120 DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR NEW TRIAL that is also the same time as sentencing.

12/15/2022

Judge: DEERING, RANDY D Event: MOTION HEARING Date: 12/19/2022 Time: 10:00 AM

I predict GWIII will ask for a change of venue. JMO

 

[justtrish]

Right. He stayed out to all hours partying and out all night illegally killing innocent animals while Jake stayed home taking care of Angie's dogs and playing video games.

Otherwise, he was heavily enmeshed with The Wagner Crime Family. "The family has spoken."

George said this because he believed Angela's lies and voted Jake's wife out of the family.

"BCI wants to kill all of us for no reason because they are bad people."

This said to his young son who told George no, because even a kid didn't believe LE would want to kill him and his family.

I am really beginning to question how some don't see this as problem behavior that could have made jurors question his story about not knowing until Jake confessed? People still defend him like he is a model citizen. There is a tone that Jake is evil and how dare he testify and talk so calmly about murdering people, but yet George sounds like this and says the things he did and it's okay because he was just paranoid about BCI framing his family

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe AC wanted to speak to the jury to ask them to not speak until after Billy's trial or at least until his jury is seated. We don't need any more reason for appeal or for his defense to claim some unfair reason he needs a new trial or to relocate his trial.

Canepa can't tell the jury not to talk to the press because it was the judge's place to advise the jury on how to handle media interviews and that's what Deering did.

Deering told the jury that they could give media interviews. Judge Deering went into detail on advising the jurors on how to handle the media.

To be careful and not speak off the cuff. That the media might only print parts of what they say rather than their entire statement. That the media would publish their name.
That they do not have to talk to the media. Etc....

I think Canepa wanted to know what factors helped the jury reach their guilty verdicts and reach them so soon. This gives prosecutors an idea of how they did and could help them in Billy's trial.

Often, when the prosecution loses their Case they like to hear from the jury the reasons why the jury wasn't convinced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecutors like to know what they could have done better.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I still don't understand why there are so many posts saying " I feel bad for George."

He wasn't a different drummer in his family I don't think. All you have to do is listen to the negative "Angie like" words that came out of his mouth on BCI recordings. Cutting down women and I think he even used a derogatory term towards his 3/4 year old neice.

Saying "the family has spoken" in trying to get rid of Jake's wife, hating her and Tabitha, running them down, even judging and running down his ow family. Believing his mom's every lie about Jake's wife. Wanting to bring hell on Tabby if she was at the border to see her son.

Hatching a plan with Angela and sticking to a date to "prove" Tabby "abandoned" her son when she did not. Keeping the son away from Tabby, using a fake address and not telling her they were back in Ohio and so on...

Happily participating in truck robberies while at the same time admitting that it was costing truckers their jobs.

Everyone but him is a liar and remembers things wrong. He is better than his horrible family according to him yet he stayed with them long after being employed. He went along with Angie hook line and sinker. He is more like Angie as I think Wilson stated.

Killing innocent animals illegally and being proud of it.

Telling his son BCI wants to kill the family for no reason because BCI agents are bad.

Etc...........Terrible temper, threats to hurt investigators just doing their jobs, shouting yelling ...so much more.

Agree 100%. Add his contemptuous attitude on the witness stand. How arrogant was it to say the HE should get to raise Jake's daughter? How delusional is it to think that everyone but you is a child molester? And I'm one of those who thinks the tattoos were the souvenirs of their acting out a movie massacre.

 

[Cool Cats]

I guess this is standard procedure to appeal and request a new trial, but it’s annoying. IMO. And wondering at what point, if ever, it ends?

Also wondering if George will have access to mental health counseling in prison? And will he be able to communicate with Angela and Jake after he’s sentenced and sent to prison? Or do AW and JW still have to stick to the ‘no communication rule‘ until after they testify at Billy’s trial?

Once all the Wagners are out of the court system and in the prison system it will be entirely up to the prison system if they can communicate.

And if they are not allowed to communicate the prison has to have reasons. The current court reasons won't exist anymore. They can't influence each other about their trials. Trials and all that will be over with.

The prison system could come up with many other reasons to keep them from communicating or from being placed in the same facilities. Security reasons most likely.

Yes inmates can get mental health counseling in Ohio prisons.

When does it end? You can only appeal up to a point and then that's it. Long process.

And who is going to pay? Have to have money for attorneys unless Pro Bono.

 

[24Roses]

What time on Monday is the sentence hearing and will Law and Crime have this on their YouTube channel? Thanks!

 

[silenced]

I thought this was over. Decided. The trial was a cluster f$&@. But I put my faith in the jury: the jury saw and heard the testimony that the public was denied. I trust the jury got it right.

But wtaf.

I’m still not convinced GWIV is guilty yet expect his sentence will have him rot in prison. I’m seriously concerned GWIII will walk.

We do not know what happened that night. Still.

 

[justtrish]

I thought this was over. Decided. The trial was a cluster f$&@. But I put my faith in the jury: the jury saw and heard the testimony that the public was denied. I trust the jury got it right.

But wtaf.

I’m still not convinced GWIV is guilty yet expect his sentence will have him rot in prison. I’m seriously concerned GWIII will walk.

We do not know what happened that night. Still.

It is over, these filings are normal and part of the process. The judge will rule on the trial and I predict it will be denied. Then they will have victim impact statements and then sentencing. I think the judge will give him the maximum allowed.

We know enough about that night to know that all 4 were involved. I think the rest would be nice to know, but the exact specifics are not necessary to find all 4 of them guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. That is why the jury had an easy time convicting. They didn't have to know EXACTLY what happened. The state laid out the case as they thought it was mostly likely to have happened. Then the defense bascially said, George wasn't there, didn't know and was just as shocked as everyone else when Jake confessed. Had no idea until that day. Then the jury decided they didn't believe George and they did believe had had some role in the murders and the planning and cover up after. It really is that simple. If he bought one item.. (the truck) and wasn't present on the night of the 21st, he is just as guilty as if he shot Chris Sr in the arm. So the jury didn't need to know exactly how it happened. They just had to decide if the believed he was part of the planning and/or committing of the crimes.

Billy will have the same fate. He will not get away with these crimes.

 

[justtrish]

What time on Monday is the sentence hearing and will Law and Crime have this on their YouTube channel? Thanks!

10am EST and I do believe it will be live on Law and Crime's Youtube channel!

 

[silenced]

quote: We know enough about that night to know that all 4 were involved.

Trusting the jury on this.

 

[Betty P]

10am EST and I do believe it will be live on Law and Crime's Youtube channel!

I’m guessing some local tv stations will cover it, too, like WCPO or WLWT.

 

[Betty P]

quote: We know enough about that night to know that all 4 were involved.

Trusting the jury on this.

Not a problem. There was enough evidence to show he was in on the planning and cover up and was present when the murders happened. He’s got plenty of time to appeal.

JMO, my concern has always been for the surviving children and family members. GW4 will be much better off than the people he helped murder.

 

[ohioexpat63]

I thought this was over. Decided. The trial was a cluster f$&@. But I put my faith in the jury: the jury saw and heard the testimony that the public was denied. I trust the jury got it right.

But wtaf.

I’m still not convinced GWIV is guilty yet expect his sentence will have him rot in prison. I’m seriously concerned GWIII will walk.

We do not know what happened that night. Still.

" We do not know what happened that night. Still."

We know for a fact 8 innocent lives were murdered. We know for a fact, by JW and AW testimony, all 4 Wagners committed the murders. We know for a fact 3 of the 4 are heading to prison, probably for the rest of their lives. Everything else is noise aimed to distract from the facts. For instance, it doesn't matter who shot whom. All 4 are culpable. JMO

 

[Niner]

Was there that motions hearing yesterday, 12/15 for GW4? Anything happen?

 

[Cool Cats]

I assume this hearing is for MOTION NO. 120 DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR NEW TRIAL that is also the same time as sentencing.

12/15/2022

Judge: DEERING, RANDY D Event: MOTION HEARING Date: 12/19/2022 Time: 10:00 AM

I predict GWIII will ask for a change of venue. JMO

Interesting, that it does look like Judge Deering will address the Motion for a new trial plus the sentencing all on Monday.

So I assume Deering will rule against a new trial but then I assume George's lawyers will file for it in a higher court.

Another assumption, once the new trial Motions have run their course I predict the appeals will start up, to try to throw out the guilty verdicts. Also, maybe appeals can be for a new trial also.

Guess I will learn as it goes along and all this runs it's course.

No need for the families to be traumatized with every appeal and Motion George files. There, in my opinion, is no chance in @#$% that George will get out from under a life sentence.

PS. I wouldn't be surprised if George also appeals his sentence. As you can see from the sentencing Memorandum his attorneys filed that they are against LWOP or a sentence equalling LWOP. They say it leaves no room for George to be rehabilitated. And they say LWOP is "cruel and unusual and contrary to the dignity of human kind."

But why would he need rehabilitation if he really is innocent as he and his attorneys claim? However, George's attorneys almost admitted there was enough evidence for the jury to believe George went along that night, so maybe his attorneys believe he really did go that night which equals George being in on the Conspiracy.

I doubt George will get out of prison to be able to sit in the woods - when he is old - and illegally kill innocent animals and to also scare his potential grandkids into thinking they will be molested. No loss there.

 

[ohioexpat63]

His goose is cooked. That's as close to wild game 4 will ever eat. Goodbye and good riddance after Monday.