It appears they listened to our earlier advice about getting some help for Prosecutor Canepa.
BettyP, no disrespect, but JMO I very seriously doubt they are watching or acting on behalf of us.
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BettyP, no disrespect, but JMO I very seriously doubt they are watching or acting on behalf of us.
Junk said:
"You’re probably going to see a couple of different trial teams,
prosecutors will sort of tag-team the actual trials. "
At Junk’s request Deering has added a second special prosecutor from the Attorney General's office, Robert Pierson. Pierson is listed as a prosecutor on Newcomb’s case and three of the four other Wagner cases currently before the court.
Junk told the Times Canepa still will be part of the cases going forward. He stated he personally will sit in on probably no more than two of the trials,
Investigator suspension unrelated
BCI Agent Mike Trout’s work has no bearing on the pending cases.
Newcomb’s trial moving forward: Junk - Portsmouth Daily Times
Thankx for this informative article. The PORTSMOUTH DAILY TIMES is the best MSM outlet when it comes to summoning up the Wagner Pre-Trial Hearings.
Earlier today I posted some quotes from this article but wanted to thank you for posting the article in the first place....
“Over 30 law enforcement agencies inside Ohio and nearly two dozen law enforcement agencies from 10 different states, along with federal partners and Canadian authorities assisted with the Pike County investigation –"
IMO, it was 2 years 7 months from murders to arrests. Dang awesome for 8 murders. To me, this says investigators knew who the perpetrators were early on. There were never any other suspects named, and I think it was because ALL evidence pointed to the Wagners and then proved more and more true as time went along. Look above at all the agencies and the number of officers involved in this investigation. That speaks volumes.
I only have one question for those who sincerely believe the Wagners aren't guilty. WHO do you believe committed these murders and why? And what evidence do you have that supports that theory? <modsnip>
Also, I don't see how anyone can stand for both Sheriff Reader and the Wagners/RN at the same time. This is incomprehensible to me. JMO
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I would be willing to bet money on which 2 trials he plans to help on.
I suspect the 2 will be the trials of those that pulled triggers....
My guess is Billy and Jake.
JMO. MOO
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You mention the investigators knowing who the perpetrators were early on, look at these dates:
What happened May 9th 2017?
Count (19) Unauthorized Use of Property from July 1st 2014 through May 9th 2017.
Hacking into their computer networks, cable, phones, which gave access to their social media accounts, facebook, e-mail, search history etc..
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Count (20) Interception of Wire, Oral, Electronic Communication from July 1st 2014 through May 9th 2017.
Hacking into their devices/telecommunications so they could commit Count 19.
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Yes 'mam CC, but I think they knew even earlier than this...JMO
I will look more at that date. What are your thoughts?
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I bet it's not so easy to copy over signatures and all of the info. necessary for the notary journal that I mentioned previously. moo
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It appears they listened to our earlier advice about getting some help for Prosecutor Canepa.
Glad to see this. They POSSIBLY had this in mind from the beginning feeling confident that Canepa, et al would/could handle the pre-lims, JMO
Yes, they're probably accustomed to shifting around on cases, as needed. Having 4 people being tried on DP charges for the same crimes might be a little more challenging, but no doubt they're used to it. Their office probably handles hundreds of cases a year.
From the timeline:
Something happened in those interviews. JW stopped his wiretapping when they moved out of the Peterson Rd. farm. Recall on June 8, BCI searched the trash at the Jackson Days Inn, so we might assume they temporarily moved to the Days Inn before hitting the road.
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Maybe they asked questions about the type and brand of device he uses to access the internet. That phone he lost after the murders? Or some question that tipped him off they might be on the trail of his snooping.
So what was the date they packed up and moved to Bever-lee, er Alaska? I looked through several pages of the timeline thread. Is there more than one timeline thread? Not important I guess, just curious if it was soon after that interview. I suppose putting the house up for sale might be the first move, and closer to that interview.
IMOMOO, something about that interview set their heads on fire.
I still remember the quote from a LEO, ".... I guess you dye your hair and move to Alaska." Wonder what the date of that article was?
The latest timeline is from around April of this year and it's posted at the beginning of the thread previous to this one.
Something set the ball rolling when they planted the GPS devices on JM and JW's trucks on the one year anniversary. Once the news hit about JM removing his and subsequent arrest and questioning, LE started questioning the Wagners.
They had already listed the farm for sale at that point and the questioning made them start packing. Keep in mind, all 4 of the Wagners were charged with the electronic surveillance, etc. Count
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Loomis, with all due respect to both you and Betty, I interpreted Betty’s statement that the State of Ohio cares about our opinions and follows our guidance just like the football coaches and refs listen to my advice through the TV. Lol. It sounds good be they do what they wanna do.
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Was trying to find that quote I mentioned above, but no luck. Can't remember the main subject of the news article, seems there was some other controversy involved, aside from the 'dye your hair' quote. Seems like it was one of the investigators.
Did find almost the same phrase in a book, don't see a date on it. (found the date: 2016)
"I'd have to dye my hair and move to Alaska, ...."
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Did find almost the same phrase in a book, don't see a date on it. (found the date: 2016)
"I'd have to dye my hair and move to Alaska, ...."
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CC, in MY OPINION, May 9, 2017 is when the Wagners unhooked all their physical wire interceptions, etc. and left. Thus, the reason for the ending date on those two charges.
I don't know what put them in such a hurry, but I believe it tied to James Manley's arrest, based on the timing. JMO
Also, very few of the search warrants were made public. I don't think we have a date of the Bethel Rd search?
All just my opinion.
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Thank you for answering my question. Now I know why the Wagner's surveillance on the families stopped May 9th 2017 (the Wagners moved out of Peterson Road). You answered a significant question.
Exactly what I've been looking for!
I am trying to get as much information from that time as I can because I bet we will find out in trial that something significant started happening in the spring of 2017.Reader knew it was locals, he said this in mid to late October 2016.
LM said LE stopped questioning BJM and JM and doing lie detectors on them at that time. (LM said something in an article that made it sound like it was something LE had been doing but apparently had stopped.)
So why put a tracker on Jame's car that following April?
Because BCI was intensely focusing on the locals but making the Manley's think they were not focused on them, making the Wagners think they were not focused on them. But really they were.Then LE went all out in May and started all those interviews in May, and made it obvious who they were focusing on. Dropping charges on Manley and getting the Wagners to trip themselves up in their lies. "All the lies they told us."
LE was already planning to get them in lies for a trial. They always said they won't indict until they have enough to get a guilty verdict. LE was planning that far ahead.
Anyone who wants me to try to find articles let me know. Without articles it is only my opinion.
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I think the Bethel Rd. search was August 2018. I will look for it, thanks.
I believe there were 2 searches at that time--August 2018--but less media coverage.
Anyone have anything on those searches?
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The prosecutors look to Webslueths/SM etc.. to get a handle on the prospective jury pool, what the general public thinks--how the general public is interpreting all the "Case Evidence" that is out there in the public domain.
We are the prospective jurors. What SM says matters. Right now, the defense, same thing. Defense knows most think the Wagners are guilty...2 Cents....
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