OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #56

[Antimony]

I would think that driving an atv down the right-of-way in the middle of the night might be detected easily.
Walking the right of way would be spotted by any local dog worth it's salt.
After you have committed the murders, You have to walk home? Not likely.
A car or truck on the road would not be noticed any time of the day or night.
Assuming a quiet muffler and brakes that don't squeak.
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[Dudly]

The power line right of way can be traveled from Bethel Hill Farm of Fredericka Wagner all the way to Union Hill Road to where the murders happened, with not much trouble at all, JMO

Check it out on google maps in satellite style.

What is “not much trouble at all”? On a four wheeler in the dark? How short is the land cut? Any brush or hidden stumps? Is it used enough no one would think it unusual to see people riding there after midnight?
How far could people see your headlights? Is it used so little you wouldn’t see someone else on the way? Just some thoughts on using it.

 

[Lilttledoggie]

Wasn't it the first day of hunting season? No country person would find it odd to hear an ATV traveling through a power-line right of way in the dark. Annoying maybe. JMO

 

[Dudly]

Wasn't it the first day of hunting season? No country person would find it odd to hear an ATV traveling through a power-line right of way in the dark. Annoying maybe. JMO

Around 2:00 am?

 

[Lilttledoggie]

Around 2:00 am?

Yes and also there was a full moon that night

 

[Antimony]

What if they to run up on some real hunters? How would they explain their armament?
I think the right-of-way idea is far fetched. We will wait for the trial.
Jmo

 

[Antimony]

Thee right-of-ways also do not follow the ridge tops. They tru to go the shortest route from sub-station to sub station. That means across hollows. Once the right-of-way is far enough down the hill that no trees would ever touch the high lines, they do not clear in the valley floor locations unless there are low points in the line. Like intermediate towers. If the right of way in uncleared at the bottom, It will be hard to traverse. The power company also does not care how steep the up and down parts of the cleared right of way are. Tough travel there. Gas company is different. They clear the whole path.
JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Thee right-of-ways also do not follow the ridge tops. They tru to go the shortest route from sub-station to sub station. That means across hollows. Once the right-of-way is far enough down the hill that no trees would ever touch the high lines, they do not clear in the valley floor locations unless there are low points in the line. Like intermediate towers. If the right of way in uncleared at the bottom, It will be hard to traverse. The power company also does not care how steep the up and down parts of the cleared right of way are. Tough travel there. Gas company is different. They clear the whole path.
JMO

I’m glad to get you Sluthers posting again even if you are saying my thought about the power line right of way from Bethel Hill property to Rhodens Homes is wrong but remember this One of the Neighborhood Trail Camera’s saw Something, JMO

 

[Dudly]

I’m glad to get you Sluthers posting again even if you are saying my thought about the power line right of way from Bethel Hill property to Rhodens Homes is wrong but remember this One of the Neighborhood Trail Camera’s saw Something, JMO

A neighborhood trail camera may have seen something. But, where was it and which direction was it pointed?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

A neighborhood trail camera may have seen something. But, where was it and which direction was it pointed?

If i was watching deer it wouldn’t be pointed at the road, jus saying?????

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I’m like you Sluthers, I don’t think that the killers traveled the power line right of way but who knows, if it took to daybreak to gather up all the evidence at the Rhodens homes it’s hard to say which way they went but I really think they traveled in more than one vehicle, JMO

 

[sunshineray]

The power line right of way can be traveled from Bethel Hill Farm of Fredericka Wagner all the way to Union Hill Road to where the murders happened, with not much trouble at all, JMO

Check it out on google maps in satellite style.

It can also be traveled from Union Hill area right to KR's property. Someone has Google Earth photos that I saw long ago that show this.

 

[Dudly]

If i was watching deer it wouldn’t be pointed at the road, jus saying?????

There could be roads in view of the camera even if it was to track deer. People use those cameras are used to watch property, also, where there is no electricity because they are battery operated. Most are motion activated but I don’t know the range. They may pick up something larger, like a car or truck, at a greater distance. I think some can be set up with a remote eye to trip them. All just possibilities...

 

[GoBuckeyes]

You say they do not make a brass catcher for a pistol but your link shows one.
A revolver wouldn't need one but you would need a speed loader to reload fast.
My guess is that they used semi automatic .22 cal pistols with homemade silencers, laser sights, and homemade brass catchers. JMO

I think Johnny was saying that the ones that look like a sock, like the ones he posted, maybe wouldn't be so effective, or at least they don't look like it to me.

For some reason I thought they bought the brass catchers. I seem to remember it being on a receipt that's listed in evidence. But I'm following way too many cases, and I'm often wrong while just following one.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I would think that driving an atv down the right-of-way in the middle of the night might be detected easily.
Walking the right of way would be spotted by any local dog worth it's salt.
After you have committed the murders, You have to walk home? Not likely.
A car or truck on the road would not be noticed any time of the day or night.
Assuming a quiet muffler and brakes that don't squeak.
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I think it's possible the right of way might have been used. An SUV, seems to me, would get around fine on that terrain, as utility companies don't use ATVs AFAIK.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

What is “not much trouble at all”? On a four wheeler in the dark? How short is the land cut? Any brush or hidden stumps? Is it used enough no one would think it unusual to see people riding there after midnight?
How far could people see your headlights? Is it used so little you wouldn’t see someone else on the way? Just some thoughts on using it.

Where there are power lines, there has to be access to service them. I've never seen an ATV used for such a purpose. I've seen 4 wheel drive vehicles/SUV types. I don't think it's a far-fetched idea at all. If they used night vision gear, all the easier to drive without headlights. AMOO

 

[Antimony]

Where there are power lines, there has to be access to service them. I've never seen an ATV used for such a purpose. I've seen 4 wheel drive vehicles/SUV types. I don't think it's a far-fetched idea at all. If they used night vision gear, all the easier to drive without headlights. AMOO

Too much trouble and too much risk of running up on someone. Too risky to 'take care of" as hunters would be armed. Much less of a problem to just ride in on the road. Cameras? Just use someone else's car.
Here's a thought...... Kenny was first and they used his truck. reasonable?

JMO

 

[Dudly]

Where there are power lines, there has to be access to service them. I've never seen an ATV used for such a purpose. I've seen 4 wheel drive vehicles/SUV types. I don't think it's a far-fetched idea at all. If they used night vision gear, all the easier to drive without headlights. AMOO

Here is a method to access power lines without using what you call the “access roads”. Those are actually where trees are cut down to keep them out of the wires.

Here is how they trim the trees these days.

 

[Antimony]

I can just imagine the W's hoofing it in, thru the woods, with the glow of 4 cigarettes showing their patrol route thru the woods. Further, I can't see any of them shutting up long enough to infiltrate anyplace.
Occam"s Razor says the road.

JMO

 

[StrangeOne]

it is actually on August 31st....

I am looking forward for this to get going.

Question as the trials start will the make the autopsies public?