OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

[LeftEyed]

Sounds like GW4 and Billy were at Seniors and Jake went over to Dana's.

I, personally, can't see them splitting up. Even if only one shooter goes inside.

 

[Loomis124]

Wagner family

Does anyone see AW's cell phone between her boots? It has an open picture on it.

 

[Loomis124]

Do you Sluthers think that Jake Wagner killed 4 people by himself????

I don't. JMO based on indictments and discovery documents.

 

[Loomis124]

Do you Sluthers think that Jake Wagner killed 4 people by himself????

Double post

 

[Cool Cats]

I, personally, can't see them splitting up. Even if only one shooter goes inside.

I don't think they split up but then there should be more than just one gun used at Dana's. Eleven gunshots over there. My notes are at home so I can't see what casing was found under K's crib and what other info I wrote down about it.

 

[Loomis124]

I don't think they split up but then there should be more than just one gun used at Dana's. Eleven gunshots over there. My notes are at home so I can't see what casing was found under K's crib and what other info I wrote down about it.

It was a fired LR .22 caliber shell casing.

 

[Dudly]

Does anyone see AW's cell phone between her boots? It has an open picture on it.

Can’t see it. Says I don’t have permission.

 

[Dudly]

I don't think they split up but then there should be more than just one gun used at Dana's. Eleven gunshots over there. My notes are at home so I can't see what casing was found under K's crib and what other info I wrote down about it.

There could have been numerous guns at Dana’s house and only one used, if only one was used. There could have been four shooters there with three as backup...

 

[Dudly]

Does anyone see AW's cell phone between her boots? It has an open picture on it.

Ok, finally got to see it. AW isn’t wearing boots. Her feet are flat on the ground to the left. What I think you are seeing is B's pant leg and his knee looks shiny for some reason, like the pattern is reflective or something. Just my opinion.

<ADMIN NOTE: Name of minor child has been changed to initial "B". >

 

[dgfred]

There could have been numerous guns at Dana’s house and only one used, if only one was used. There could have been four shooters there with three as backup...

I can only see more than one if maybe they were there to distract dogs.

 

[Dudly]

I can only see more than one if maybe they were there to distract dogs.

In my opinion too much is made of the dogs being a problem. We may never know if they were. Most dogs I know are out the door in a flash if the door opens and a voice says, Come on, go outside, or let’s go potty, etc.. They don’t care much who lets them back in. In that small camper, I think Brownie was put in the bathroom at night. KR may not have wanted to share his bed with his dog. All just opinions.

 

[Cool Cats]

Ok, finally got to see it. AW isn’t wearing boots. Her feet are flat on the ground to the left. What I think you are seeing is B's pant leg and his knee looks shiny for some reason, like the pattern is reflective or something. Just my opinion.

<ADMIN NOTE: Name of minor child has been changed to initial "B". >

There is a pic of a little boy looking down at a dog or a baby. There are other pics in this. Looks like photo shop on the loose. My link did not work and too late to delete. Sorry, was trying to share a photo I thought was good from Wagner Facebook but it didn't link right. I apologize.

I will be more careful in future.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The baby was only 4 days old. Do you get a birth certificate that quickly these days (2016)?

Here you do. The hospital issues the day of the birth, a certificate of birth with both parents names on it, time and date of birth, weight and length and gender. I know TX does also since I had a great grandson born in Dallas and a great grand daughter born here in OK. An official birth certificate from the Health Department can be obtained a week later.

JMO

 

[Ann99]

I was looking for LM statements about the dogs.
I know he made one or two in live interviews.
Instead, I found this from May 11, 2016 regarding cameras.

"Massacred Ohio family used video surveillance, survivors say | wkyc.com

"Leonard Manley, the father of Dana Rhoden, said his former son-in-law had at least two video cameras mounted to a building near the entrance of his trailer. When motorists arrived at this driveway, a sensor would turn lights on.

“You could clearly see the cars and even the people inside," said Manley, sitting outside his home Tuesday about 85 miles east of Cincinnati.

He said he believed Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept the cameras on at all times but Manley did not know if authorities had video from those cameras. DeWine and investigators have chosen not to release details of their investigation, now nearly three weeks old.

Manley’s youngest daughter, Bobby Jo Manley, told The Enquirer that Kenneth Rhoden also had a video security system at his trailer about eight miles away. She said she knew they were there because she had cleaned his trailer on occasion."


Here is an article with LM making remark about dogs. Fierce dogs.
From April 29, 2016. Heartbreaking to re read.

EXCLUSIVE: 'Ain't got no revenge in our hearts,' Pike Co. family says

"According to Leonard Manley, when Bobby Jo showed up last Friday morning, the front door was locked and the dogs were nowhere to be found.

There were at least two pit bulls, a "wolf-dog" and "coon dogs" that lived with his family members.

Manley questioned why the killer or killers didn't shoot the dogs, which he described as fierce.

"Why wouldn't they do that?" Leonard Manley said. "Somebody had to know them dogs."

 

[Dudly]

I was looking for LM statements about the dogs.
I know he made one or two in live interviews.
Instead, I found this from May 11, 2016 regarding cameras.

"Massacred Ohio family used video surveillance, survivors say | wkyc.com

"Leonard Manley, the father of Dana Rhoden, said his former son-in-law had at least two video cameras mounted to a building near the entrance of his trailer. When motorists arrived at this driveway, a sensor would turn lights on.

“You could clearly see the cars and even the people inside," said Manley, sitting outside his home Tuesday about 85 miles east of Cincinnati.

He said he believed Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept the cameras on at all times but Manley did not know if authorities had video from those cameras. DeWine and investigators have chosen not to release details of their investigation, now nearly three weeks old.

Manley’s youngest daughter, Bobby Jo Manley, told The Enquirer that Kenneth Rhoden also had a video security system at his trailer about eight miles away. She said she knew they were there because she had cleaned his trailer on occasion."


Here is an article with LM making remark about dogs. Fierce dogs.
From April 29, 2016. Heartbreaking to re read.

EXCLUSIVE: 'Ain't got no revenge in our hearts,' Pike Co. family says

"According to Leonard Manley, when Bobby Jo showed up last Friday morning, the front door was locked and the dogs were nowhere to be found.

There were at least two pit bulls, a "wolf-dog" and "coon dogs" that lived with his family members.

Manley questioned why the killer or killers didn't shoot the dogs, which he described as fierce.

"Why wouldn't they do that?" Leonard Manley said. "Somebody had to know them dogs."

It gets confusing when one article says the dogs were nowhere to be found and another says they were sitting in a recliner on the porch.
Also another interview says there was a camera in a birdhouse.

I have no link handy so call this my opinion, I guess...

 

[Ann99]

It gets confusing when one article says the dogs were nowhere to be found and another says they were sitting in a recliner on the porch.
Also another interview says there was a camera in a birdhouse.

I have no link handy so call this my opinion, I guess...

I agree with what you say.
I also remember something about "dogs nowhere to be found" and
that may have been in reference to Dana's dogs, but I really don't know for sure. MOO.

 

[Loomis124]

Here you do. The hospital issues the day of the birth, a certificate of birth with both parents names on it, time and date of birth, weight and length and gender. I know TX does also since I had a great grandson born in Dallas and a great grand daughter born here in OK. An official birth certificate from the Health Department can be obtained a week later.

JMO

Thanks, Raisin!

 

[rsd1200]

It gets confusing when one article says the dogs were nowhere to be found and another says they were sitting in a recliner on the porch.
Also another interview says there was a camera in a birdhouse.

I have no link handy so call this my opinion, I guess...

BJM said there were two pits, one in a recliner, on the porch. It was her first interview, describing that day.

She turned the handle of the door and thought it was odd it was locked, she said. She also thought it was odd that Rhoden's two pit bulls were outside on the front porch, one sitting in a recliner. The animals normally stayed inside the trailer, she said.

Pike County: 'I was not leaving those babies in there'

 

[rsd1200]

I don't think they split up but then there should be more than just one gun used at Dana's. Eleven gunshots over there. My notes are at home so I can't see what casing was found under K's crib and what other info I wrote down about it.

GR's father said a shell(s) was found at the scene of CR1's. Not to say they didn't screw up and leave more, at other locations, but, I've only heard of that one, confirmed by GR's father.

 

[Cool Cats]

GR's father said a shell(s) was found at the scene of CR1's. Not to say they didn't screw up and leave more, at other locations, but, I've only heard of that one, confirmed by GR's father.

Ballistic evidence at Chris Seniors:

30 caliber rifle bullet fragments
Metallic cartridge military style round 7.62 cartridge
Heavier weight

Glock 40 caliber firearm
Bullet fragments
A casing from 40 caliber cartridge

Found in living room, front porch, and bullet in dirt under house

At Dana's:

22 long rifle shell casing recovered under crib in Hanna's bedroom.
Same weapon used at Frankie's.

Footprints found at Chris Sr's and at Dana's. Left prints. Size 10.5 and 11
matching the Walmart shoes Angela purchased.

(Scheiderer cross examination)