OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #73

[Piffcat]

Yes. Here's a link to George Wagner IV's indictment. His begins on page 27. The key word in the definition of "Aggravated Murder" is "with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another, to wit...."

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Briefing-Room/News-Releases/Special-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx

Press Release

Pike County Homicides: Family Arrested - Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost

www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov

The key word being "cause". That means participating in actions that caused these murders.
The specifications also further define the charge. GW4 may not meet all of them, but he doesn't need to to be convicted of murder.

Page 33 is the Conspiracy charge - worth reading.

Page 34 is the Aggravated Burglary charge - also considered linked to a cause of death

and on and on. Each of these first degree felony charges, linked to murders, is then multiplied by 8 victims.

The crimes they committed were numerous. The penalties are multiplied by the number of victims. So, life in prison x 8 is a lot.

ETA: Pittsburghgirl, I know you already know this!

ETA2: JMO, GW4's attorneys attempting to say he didn't shoot anyone is like trying to use a 10 foot ladder to get out of an 80 foot hole.

you are on a roll! preach! i was thinkin today about charles manson. his crimes were horrendous and he also did not take place in the killing. and we burried this sick sob rightly forever.

well what aw and her family did was 100x times worse. according to their own testimony angie convinced the 3 crime family members to kill in cold blood for the "greater good" i hate all of them but i have a special hate for angela. she has more to do with the rhodens death as anyone else. take her out of the picture and everyone is still alive.

sure the wagners would still be murdering other people but not like this. n atrocity.this is just so twisted. it really says alot about all the social media people popping up with the typical "nothings as it seems conspiracy"who want to chide with "they havent put g4 at the scene"

uggg hello? there were only 3 people alive other then g4 who knew the people in attendance for the massacre. and 2 of them put you there!! not to mention angela blew up his alibi on top of it. remember the... well we couldnt have done it i can see the stairs from my bredroom so i would have known"

this is the least circumstantial evidence that exists. do we now need a video of every murder in order to charge it??? g4 lawyer suggests as such. i cant believe some viewers are taking the bait of g4 scum partner and his delfecting by saying g4 not there. think about how foul that is. to take part in something like this and act like none of it was your fault, you werent even there its a level of narcisism scary. theres a difference between what billy is doing, not defending himself and g4 who seems puzzled and annoyed that he needs to be at the trial. like a true psycopath who cant even fake human emotion.

wish you could write the closing!!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I was wondering the same thing. It's possible she didn't lock the door. Some people who live in rural areas don't lock their doors unless they're going to be gone for a while.

Especially if there are dogs in the house or on the premises. I can't remember who had dogs inside and who didn't though. And often it's a false sense of security. Mine sound like they'll tear someone limb from limb, but in reality they are big love bugs.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

for Friday, 9/23/22

Evan Millward
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Dr. Looman is being handed bags with Hanna's clothing in them - a grey t-shirt, black shorts, underwear.

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Dr. Looman shows the box containing all the metal pieces collected from Hanna's head during the autopsy.
No exit wounds found on Hanna. Cause of death is multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Same cause of death she gave for Dana.

Dr. Looman says all of Chris Rhoden Jr.'s gunshot wounds were in his head.
Multiple bullets in his left side, one in his right. Diagrams below.

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Dr. Looman says the first two gunshot wounds on Chris Jr. are similar - right to left with the bullets ending up in his brain on the left. Shot from an indeterminate distance (more than 3 feet away).

All of the 4 gunshot wounds to Chris Jr were right to left and from an indeterminate distance (more than 3 feet).
One to temple, three to the back of the head.

Court has adjourned for the weekend.
Interestingly, on redirect, Canepa asked if Hanna's injuries were consistent with her turning her head. Dr. Looman said yes.
Jake is likely to testify Hanna turned and saw him before he shot.



link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward

Does that explain how she received the shot to the back of the head? TIA

Have family been in the courtroom? I get so angry hearing how they were each murdered. I can't even imagine being family and having to sit through that. I'm not sure I could, not without taking one good run at GW4, and then I'd be sitting in jail.

I keep thinking, "What gives you the right to take those 8 lives!?" Absolutely nothing, of course.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: I'm back from breaking news. And court is back from lunch.
Dr. Karen Looman is on the stand again - she'll testify about Dana, Chris, and Hanna's autopsies - she performed them.

Dr. Looman is now describing photos of Dana's body as it appeared before the autopsy. She performed that on the morning of Sat 4/23/2016.

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Dr. Looman says Dana had about six large pieces of bullet fragment in her head - is showing a side x-ray of it.
She says Dana had 5 gunshot wounds.


These are Dr. Looman's diagrams of the injuries to Dana's head.

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Dr. Looman says the first wound she looked at went right to left and the bullet dropped below Dana's brain. Shot from intermediate distance (less than 3 feet).

Wound 2 was similar to wound 1 with entry on the right side of the forehead, according to Dr. Looman. She couldn't determine how far the shot was from Dana.

Wound 3 is close to wound 2 in location, but different.
Dr. Looman says the bullet grazed Dana's forehead, grazed the skull, pieces of it went into brain, and the rest continued up.

Dr. Looman says the fourth gunshot wound was just above Dana's right ear in the hairline. She says it was shot from an indeterminate distance (more than 3 feet away).

Dr. Looman says the fifth gunshot wound was along Dana's right chin, breaking her jaw. Shot from less than 3 feet away. It would not have been lethal.


link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward

Could she have survived most of those shots? I'm just curious. I know the coroner can't say the order in which they were fired. I just hope she didn't suffer and it was over before she realized what was happening.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Too late for that, unfortunately. It will be interesting to see if they found anything when searching the farms or possessions.

GW4's attorney trying to confuse the jury about wounds that killed Hanna and Dana. It's all they've got. Red herrings.

Pretty sad when there were so many gunshot wounds that the defense attorney can only argue about which ones were and weren't lethal. AMOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

GR shot with one handgun, the .40 cal Glock.

Was it 2 shots total to GR? I have noted 2 shots to the head with the .40 cal? TIA

 

[GoBuckeyes]

It won't matter. If he was the getaway driver or the lookout or the guy who couldn't hack the blood at the scene, he's still going to be guilty of what we call here "felony murder," being part of a murder conspiracy. In the end, his involvement with guns and cars and what he says on the wiretaps will get him.

I agree. I think that's fitting that his own words of hate-filled admissions of guilt will hang him.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The opening statement said they had video from the corner of 772 and another house also that showed a single truck and some time later 2 trucks follow close together. I don't know if there is other video, but that alone is damning and supportive of Jakes version they took CRsr's truck and returned it.

So after CRSr, they took his truck and then returned it after they were done murdering? Well, if GW4 wasn't anywhere but home, as he professes, why take another vehicle for 2 adult men? Jake doesn't take up that much space. For all of their planning, they sure did some ridiculous things. MOO

 

[twall]

Was it 2 shots total to GR? I have noted 2 shots to the head with the .40 cal? TIA

It is 3.
SNIP
In the afternoon, Dr. Looman walked through the same process she used for Chris Sr.’s cousin, Gary Rhoden, also found dead in that mobile home from three shots to the head.

https://dayton247now.com/news/local/more-bci-agents-to-testify-about-crime-scenes-in-the-george-wagner-trial-in-pike-county-rhoden-gilley-murders-pathologist-karen-looman-hamilton-county-cincinnati-waverly-bullets-evidence

 

[Cool Cats]

Was it 2 shots total to GR? I have noted 2 shots to the head with the .40 cal? TIA

3 with the glock.

 

[Cool Cats]

So after CRSr, they took his truck and then returned it after they were done murdering? Well, if GW4 wasn't anywhere but home, as he professes, why take another vehicle for 2 adult men? Jake doesn't take up that much space. For all of their planning, they sure did some ridiculous things. MOO

What is all this George was home business? It was mentioned once during defense opening statement.

George was at the crime scenes and was not only placed their by Jake and Angela, but there is descriptions of him trying to shoot, moving bodies at Chris's, leaving footprints at possible 2 crime scenes, buying and modifying a truck, going at the last minute, being there but not shooting, buying a mask, buying a night scope, owning 2 guns used in the murders, being a glock man, lying to BCI that custody was fine, lying that Angela did not show him the shoes she said she did show him to use that night, practice shooting silencers in the woods behind their house, going along to protect Jake from Billy, specifically voting to do the murders then Angela vividly remembering she asked him if he was sure he wanted to go through with it, hiding in the truck at Chris's, being in Chris's and Dana's houses, defense agreeing George was there but shot nobody..... EtC....

Suddenly in opening statement he wasn't there? The defense admitted he was there but just didn't shoot anyone in one of their motions.

What I think is going on is this.....

1.) If the jury thinks George went along to any murder scenes he is guilty of aggravated murder under Ohio law, plus aggravated burglary and conspiracy and tampering with evidence. Plus the crime of using an illegal homemade silencer.

2.) Convince the jury that George wasn't there at any crime scenes and get the jury to acquit him of aggravated murder and maybe some of the other charges.

All the jury has to believe is that George went along - and then that is it for him - aggravated murder convictions I believe.

There is no defense. The prosecution said even without the proffers they have the evidence to convict George, to show he was involved in all 4 parts. Planning, preparing, execution and hiding the crimes and tampering with the crime evidence.

And the drug gang cartel defense fell apart when both Angie and Jake admitted it was their family who committed the murders over custody. Angie wanted to be the mom and Jake didn't want Hanna bringing S around other men amongst other things such as obsession over control of the children and Jake wanting to take S to AK, and Jake wanting to be on K's birth certificate, and Jake wanting to control and possess Hanna, along with a whole lot of jealousy and prodding and planning from Angela.

Also many other things like creating fake custody documents which George signed and getting Angie's mom to lie that she notorized the custody documents.

I can't wait to post George's prison photo and which prison he is sent to and what level he is placed in because I believe all of this will happen to him, that he will be convictied of murder and end up in prison for more than 30 years. Alot more.

My opinion on the matter. I have a feeling his attorneys know this too because the only defense they now have is the lie that he wasn't there and didn't know anything. Oh, and trying mistrial after mistrial and trying to get evidence thrown out.

 

[Fat Old Man]

I have followed this case from day one. And always thought it was someone that knew them.
A family emergency has kept me from watching this week.
If I lived closer, I would be hording all electronics remotes, I could find. Hoping I could find one on the same frequency, as the vest G4 is wearing. To see if I could give him shocking conclusion, to take the stand.
Maybe I watched, to many crime shows on TV. But having his son show up in court, with his ex-wife. Her having a man with her. I think that would get G4 showing that Wagner family trait of violence.
When he enters prison, and he will. I would think going in as a known coward. By freezing and not taking the shot at CRsr. (Which I am sure I could not, but will never let myself be in a position to find out.) Will just ruin his bad boy image. I am sure that will be his downfall, big time talker no action.
I still think both JW and AW proffer is a made-up story that they rehearsed for two years. I still think she was with them. Maybe it come back he stayed with the kids, and AW wore the shoes.
This case is far from over, and I am sure we will be blindsided by something else crazy.
Thanks for all the great updates.

 

[LMDlong]

So after CRSr, they took his truck and then returned it after they were done murdering? Well, if GW4 wasn't anywhere but home, as he professes, why take another vehicle for 2 adult men? Jake doesn't take up that much space. For all of their planning, they sure did some ridiculous things. MOO

Did canepa say if JW said who drove which vehicle that night ?

 

[ohioexpat63]

Perhaps GW4 was the one the family decided to help get off so he could break them out of prison. Someone needs to be on the outside. This is all so senseless it is impossible to keep my old brain from overloading. I nred a new hardrive between the ears.

 

[ohioexpat63]

My bet is BW will plead guilty once GW4 is found guilty. He will not want anything to do with the rodeo. He will know all the evidence and the futile battle facing him. You left one hell of a legacy BW. Live qith that

 

[GeorgiaRai]

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I still think both JW and AW proffer is a made-up story that they rehearsed for two years. I still think she was with them. Maybe it come back he stayed with the kids, and AW wore the shoes.

I so appreciate this comment - especially "they rehearsed for two years." I can't help but think that all of this - the split between guilty & not guilty pleas, who claims what, what stories are told, etc. - was planned as carefully as the murders, with deliberation and purpose. Maybe goal 1 was to spare them all the death penalty (√). Goal 2? Create enough doubt so one of them stays out of prison or gets out early? Pure speculation, of course, but they had a lot of time to prepare, and it's hard for me to believe they aren't trying to work a scheme of some sort. JMO.

 

[CIA Team Member]

They have multiple guns. They have people moving bodies. They have Jake's proffer. They have recordings. And at the core, the state is presenting this as a conspiracy among the Wagners to commit the murders. Angela wasn't on site and got 30 years.

"Angela wasn't on site and got 30 years."

EXCELLENT point.

 

[LMDlong]

"Angela wasn't on site and got 30 years."

EXCELLENT point.

Angela got 30 years because she did a plea deal. George should have done one before her . IMO

 

[Myland]

Jmo but Billy even did his own family in. He had them purchase all the supplies and do almost everything. Without Jake’s testimony the state couldn’t have placed Billy at scene. The other things he could have tried to explain away. That is why he was in such a hurry to go to trial. Jmo

 

[justtrish]

So after CRSr, they took his truck and then returned it after they were done murdering? Well, if GW4 wasn't anywhere but home, as he professes, why take another vehicle for 2 adult men? Jake doesn't take up that much space. For all of their planning, they sure did some ridiculous things. MOO

I think taking CRsr's truck was to not alert any of CRsr family members as they drove around because if they did see a car it would be CRsr's and it wouldn't be odd for him to be driving around or pulling into their drive ways. At least this is my assumption of why they took his truck because they certainly didn't NEED a second truck.