OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #76

[Rush4087]

Is it a crime to know a murder has happened but you say nothing?

It seems that If that were the case, every mother of every son ever accused or convicted of the crime of murder would also be in jail for conspiracy to commit murder (“he’s never been in trouble, he’s such a nice boy, he’d never do such a thing, he told me he was at a friend’s house that night, that list on his phone is just a wish list”).

Some mothers and / or other family members of murderers even continue to deny for many years, even in the face of strong evidence, that their close relative committed the crime (and sometimes even long after they are convicted and in jail). Should those relatives also be arrested, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and put in jail?

So far, the prosecution’s entire case against GW4 seems to be one of “guilt by association”. This is the well known “association fallacy”. All it proves is that GW4 was a member of the Wagner family. No crime there. Imo prosecutors need to present actual evidence that implicates GW4 in the murders

I have little doubt that prosecutors will be able to prove that GW4 may have obstructed justice or even been an accessory after the fact (lied about the list, refused to voluntarily give up phone, etc). But to convict him of conspiracy to commit murder, they need to show evidence of conspiracy to commit murder, not just evidence that his last name is Wagner, and that he’d been hanging around with the Wagner family for a year leading up to the crimes.

If GW4 is convicted of murder based only on, or only because of, the following:

— that prosecutors and the public have waited a long time
— that we have now seen how the investigation unfolded
- that each day something has stuck out
- that we’ve now been shown the steps the investigators took
-that we now know there’s been a lot of work done
- that we now know there were a lot of roadblocks
- that the prosecution was not allowed to seize GW4’s phone right away
- that the prosecution can’t rush past the groundwork that has been laid
- that some things have been ruled out, while others things have been ruled in
- that the prosecution must play a defensive game
- that the case is complicated and/or complex
- even though GW4 was the least involved
- even though GW4 was not directly part of the motive
- that LE was not able to interview GW4 right away
- that GW4 was part of the other Wagners lives that year
- that GW4 showed some of the same behaviors as his family
- that GW4 purchased “some things”
- that GW4 often worked with his dad and Jake
- that GW4 was seen running errands with them
-that GW4 lied about a list of guns on JW’s phone (many family members would lie to protect another family member who’s being investigated or charged with a crime)

And the roles each person had do not matter. And it doesn’t matter if GW4 went that night or not. And it doesn’t matter if GW4 actually shot anyone or not. And it doesn’t matter that we may not ever see a smoking gun…

It’ll be a travesty of justice. Because those things do matter.

The prosecution needs to show evidence that George is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Hopefully they will do so soon

All jmo

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It seems that If that were the case, every mother of every son ever accused or convicted of the crime of murder would also be in jail for conspiracy to commit murder (“he’s never been in trouble, he’s such a nice boy, he’d never do such a thing, he told me he was at a friend’s house that night, that list on his phone is just a wish list”).

Some mothers and / or other family members of murderers even continue to deny for many years, even in the face of strong evidence, that their close relative committed the crime (and sometimes even long after they are convicted and in jail). Should those relatives also be arrested, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and put in jail?

So far, the prosecution’s entire case against GW4 seems to be one of “guilt by association”. This is the well known “association fallacy”. All it proves is that GW4 was a member of the Wagner family. No crime there. Imo prosecutors need to present actual evidence that implicates GW4 in the murders

I have little doubt that prosecutors will be able to prove that GW4 may have obstructed justice or even been an accessory after the fact (lied about the list, refused to voluntarily give up phone, etc). But to convict him of conspiracy to commit murder, they need to show evidence of conspiracy to commit murder, not just evidence that his last name is Wagner, and that he’d been hanging around with the Wagner family for a year leading up to the crimes.

If GW4 is convicted of murder based only on, or only because of, the following:

— that prosecutors and the public have waited a long time
— that we have now seen how the investigation unfolded
- that each day something has stuck out
- that we’ve now been shown the steps the investigators took
-that we now know there’s been a lot of work done
- that we now know there were a lot of roadblocks
- that the prosecution was not allowed to seize GW4’s phone right away
- that the prosecution can’t rush past the groundwork that has been laid
- that some things have been ruled out, while others things have been ruled in
- that the prosecution must play a defensive game
- that the case is complicated and/or complex
- even though GW4 was the least involved
- even though GW4 was not directly part of the motive
- that LE was not able to interview GW4 right away
- that GW4 was part of the other Wagners lives that year
- that GW4 showed some of the same behaviors as his family
- that GW4 purchased “some things”
- that GW4 often worked with his dad and Jake
- that GW4 was seen running errands with them
-that GW4 lied about a list of guns on JW’s phone (many family members would lie to protect another family member who’s being investigated or charged with a crime)

And the roles each person had do not matter. And it doesn’t matter if GW4 went that night or not. And it doesn’t matter if GW4 actually shot anyone or not. And it doesn’t matter that we may not ever see a smoking gun…

It’ll be a travesty of justice. Because those things do matter.

The prosecution needs to show evidence that George is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Hopefully they will do so soon

All jmo

It’ll be a travesty of justice. Because those things do matter.

The prosecution needs to show evidence that George is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Hopefully they will do so soon

BBM
Very well put. I agree 100%. There must be evidence presented against George ONLY, and not judge him guilty on evidence against Jake or Angie or because his last name is Wagner and he is related to them. depending on jake and Angie's testimony without evidence is not going to cut it. I think if AC does that, George walks.

Every day I watch this trial i am reminded of that old commercial from the eighties, where three old ladies are standing at a counter and order a hamburger. When they get it it's a huge bun with about a quarter sized piece of meat on it. One lady keeps yelling "Where's the beef?"

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That's what I feel like yelling at AC. Where's the beef in this case?????


JMO

 

[Niner]

for Wednesday, 10/12

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
Scheiderer says Jake lied in interview at the border, as did Angela. Asked about Billy and they approach the judge's bench as prosecution objects.

Back to testimony. Scheidere agrees Billy was uncooperative, argumentative, loud, maybe obnoxious and certainly profane. Defense wants to play the interview with Jake Wagner from that time but we're having a 15 minute break first.

This interview is 4-6 hours long and before the break, there was a legal debate between the lawyers over whether they will do this today, or wait and do Angela's first - which is coming up tomorrow.

Back on the record. Prosecution - Defense doesn't get to offer in statement of co-conspirator with Jake's interview at the border. She says only state can admit it into evidence.

Defense argues Scheiderer interviewed Jake at the border, so why not play the audio. Also it is part of their complete defense. But prosecution argues the rules only allow them to put it into evidence to prove conspiracy

Parker says credibility of Jake Wagner important to defense. This interview showing him lying several times to investigators.

Judge says he wants to hear from witness Scheiderer about how the interview helped him and what happened. Then wait until tomorrow for specific legal arguments from each side with precedents.

Canepa: They all denied it at the time then at border ... they all gave the same canned responses.

Judge says not deciding yet on playing that tape. Lawyers need to be ready either way and need to argue tomorrow morning.

They are going to finish defense cross examination of Scheiderer without playing the Jake Wagner interview. Then end for the day and then come back in the morning and decide on playing that and finish cross or redirect.

This was first time this was first time interviewed George Wagner. Scheiderer and other BCI agents had previously interviewed the other three. New interviews were helpful - Jake's was 5 hours long

Parker brings up the fact that the interviews, Jake's in particular, led them to eventually wiretap Jake and George's truck for R&L later when they returned to Ohio.

This interview is 4-6 hours long.




link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[Niner]

Thursday, October 13th:
*Trial continues (Day 22) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-20 (9/12 to 10/11/22) reference post #341 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-76.639523/page-18
10/12/22 Wednesday, Trial Day 21: State witness: Dana Forney, DNA lab manager for BCI. She is opting in for video.
for more info see post #409 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-76.639523/page-21
State witness: BCI analyst Julia Eveslage returning to stand to discuss evidence found in search of Flying W ranch introduced yesterday.
for more info see post #456 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-76.639523/page-23
State witnesses: BCI analyst Julia Eveslage. BCI Ryan Scheiderer.
for more info see post #536 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-76.639523/page-27
State witness: BCI Ryan Scheiderer.
for more info see post #763 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-76.639523/page-39
Trial continues on 10/13/22

 

[Betty P]

It seems that If that were the case, every mother of every son ever accused or convicted of the crime of murder would also be in jail for conspiracy to commit murder (“he’s never been in trouble, he’s such a nice boy, he’d never do such a thing, he told me he was at a friend’s house that night, that list on his phone is just a wish list”).

Some mothers and / or other family members of murderers even continue to deny for many years, even in the face of strong evidence, that their close relative committed the crime (and sometimes even long after they are convicted and in jail). Should those relatives also be arrested, tried and convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and put in jail?

So far, the prosecution’s entire case against GW4 seems to be one of “guilt by association”. This is the well known “association fallacy”. All it proves is that GW4 was a member of the Wagner family. No crime there. Imo prosecutors need to present actual evidence that implicates GW4 in the murders

I have little doubt that prosecutors will be able to prove that GW4 may have obstructed justice or even been an accessory after the fact (lied about the list, refused to voluntarily give up phone, etc). But to convict him of conspiracy to commit murder, they need to show evidence of conspiracy to commit murder, not just evidence that his last name is Wagner, and that he’d been hanging around with the Wagner family for a year leading up to the crimes.

If GW4 is convicted of murder based only on, or only because of, the following:

— that prosecutors and the public have waited a long time
— that we have now seen how the investigation unfolded
- that each day something has stuck out
- that we’ve now been shown the steps the investigators took
-that we now know there’s been a lot of work done
- that we now know there were a lot of roadblocks
- that the prosecution was not allowed to seize GW4’s phone right away
- that the prosecution can’t rush past the groundwork that has been laid
- that some things have been ruled out, while others things have been ruled in
- that the prosecution must play a defensive game
- that the case is complicated and/or complex
- even though GW4 was the least involved
- even though GW4 was not directly part of the motive
- that LE was not able to interview GW4 right away
- that GW4 was part of the other Wagners lives that year
- that GW4 showed some of the same behaviors as his family
- that GW4 purchased “some things”
- that GW4 often worked with his dad and Jake
- that GW4 was seen running errands with them
-that GW4 lied about a list of guns on JW’s phone (many family members would lie to protect another family member who’s being investigated or charged with a crime)

And the roles each person had do not matter. And it doesn’t matter if GW4 went that night or not. And it doesn’t matter if GW4 actually shot anyone or not. And it doesn’t matter that we may not ever see a smoking gun…

It’ll be a travesty of justice. Because those things do matter.

The prosecution needs to show evidence that George is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Hopefully they will do so soon

All jmo

They’ve already proven he was part of the conspiracy. He lied to BCI about the list of family weapons that contained the murder weapons. You may think lying to cover up a murder is no big deal, but it’s still against the law, particularly so when the perp is part of a conspiracy.

Charlie Manson wasn’t at Sharon Tate’s house when she was murdered, either. But he was convicted of murder anyway, because he was part of a conspiracy.

George was not only proven to be at the crime scenes, he brought a weapon, helped plan and supply the murder scheme and helped cover it up. That’s illegal.

His brother and mother have already given first hand witness testimony. It’s too late at night for me to give you my list. I’m just a volunteer citizen here.

Defense is getting desperate. They’ve been unable to argue against any of the evidence provided. They’re becoming very angry and it’s not a good look for them in front of the jury. Their battle from now on is uphill against the recordings and confessions.

 

[sunshineray]

So let's look at the Evidence Rule that JustIrish posted. The CONSPIRACY DEFENDENT (George) cannot play his own statement or that of any of his co-conspirators. That means the defense can't introduce these statements to the course.
It's not like "3 persons putting words in your mouth."

This is a pretty clear explanation, with the legal mumbo jumbo removed:


Regarding Co-conspirators:

I think this is why the prosecution could use Jake's statement; thye must have met those requirement. That there is a conspiracy, and that George was a party to it, and it occurred "after it was formed and before it ended."

But Lordy, I could be dead wrong. I'm a trained reader not a lawyer. Admission of Party Opponent [Rule 801(d)] | NC PRO

My one question would be...has the prosecution met the requirements of showing a conspiracy...yet?

I think they need to play the interviews, then the bugged conversations to even begin to show a clear picture of a conspiracy to commit murder and then to cover it up afterwards. So far, to me they've shown a lot of the family's dysfunctional behavior, very good ballistics evidence...very little in the case for GWIV's involvement in conspiracy to commit murder.

Does that make it a catch-22 right about now? They need to just play those incriminating tapes or put JW on the stand already. I don't think the judge's ruling on the whole conspiracy/interviews is going to go favorably for the prosecution. I hope I'm wrong and they can get to reasons they brought up these interviews at MT border...what the bugs heard that's relevant.

I really hope it goes well this morning.

 

[sunshineray]

@sunshineray I'm having issues with posing and quoting posts. I will just tag you and say they did state that before the 4 interviews at the border crossing, they were mirandized.

Thanks! Now I'm wondering if any called up a lawyer.

 

[sunshineray]

Finally I can quote and post. I'm having some WS issues this evening.

I think it isn't that they can't be used, it has something to do with conspiracy charges because often words of one are used to make another look bad/good or light they had more or less of a role. Those statements can make the jury think they are less involved.

What is crap about this interview is George lied too. They all 4 lied, but the defense wants to play Jake's at this point to make him look bad and like a liar before he takes the stand. It would bias the jury at this point and that is a protection I think they hold so when Jake tells his story he gets to speak and then the defense can cross examine and ask whatever they want but that would happen at the same time as his testimony.

It would be like playing a statement from George implicating someone else in this crime and wanting to play that to make George look innocent, but of course most people don't say yep I did it.. they deflect, lie, blame others, etc. In a conspiracy they have some guidelines on how this evidence is introduced to protect people and give them the most fair trial.

Jake confessed but what he said lined up with evidence. He will testify and make claims, then the defense can hit him hard about lies he told. The sad part is George has a right to not take the stand and answer for the same lies he told as well. It's his right, but it could appear to make him seem more trustworthy in the eyes of the jury.

Again not a lawyer and just used google and the case law AC referenced to try to make sense of it. They aren't saying it can't and won't be introduced, but there is a way and process and it sounds like it can't be used unless and until Jake takes the stand so he can answer for what was said vs just playing it and saying see all lies.

Thanks again...since the prosecution maintains it's a conspiracy of 4, can only one of those 4 interviews be played by the prosecution (since the defense can't)? Does playing that one then open it up for the defense to now play others? Or is all that JUST in the hands of the prosecution to do what the want with those MT interviews?

Is this all going to apply to the bugged conversations as well?

 

[sjs1964]

I've followed this case from the beginning, just have rarely commented. Personal!y, without the knowledge of Jake and Angela's plea agreements there has been little evidence presented at this point to tie any of them to the murders.

There was obviously enough evidence presented to the Grand Jury to indict long before either plea took place, so I am confident that there is much we will learn in coming days/weeks.

While the trial so far has been grinding along very slowly, IMO the Prosecution has been overly meticulous to show that there was no rush to judgement by investigators against the W4.

This is all JMO

 

[Betty P]

I found it very telling yesterday that, when Billy used the ruse of losing his cell phone to get Chris Rhoden, Sr to stand at his front door and call Billy's phone, the phone records showed Billy's phone rang at Peterson Rd. Of course, the moment Chris Sr. stepped to the front door, he was shot by either Jake or George with George's gun.

The phones of Billy, Jake and George all pinged at Peterson Rd that night, but they were up on Union Hill Rd killing 7 people.

ETA: For those who don't realize that's proof the Wagners were at the murder scene, remember Chris Sr's phone records show the last phone call he made before he was killed was to Billy Wagner's phone, which rang at Peterson Rd. All of this supports what Jake told prosecutors in his confession.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

It’ll be a travesty of justice. Because those things do matter.

The prosecution needs to show evidence that George is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Hopefully they will do so soon

BBM
Very well put. I agree 100%. There must be evidence presented against George ONLY, and not judge him guilty on evidence against Jake or Angie or because his last name is Wagner and he is related to them. depending on jake and Angie's testimony without evidence is not going to cut it. I think if AC does that, George walks.

Every day I watch this trial i am reminded of that old commercial from the eighties, where three old ladies are standing at a counter and order a hamburger. When they get it it's a huge bun with about a quarter sized piece of meat on it. One lady keeps yelling "Where's the beef?"

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That's what I feel like yelling at AC. Where's the beef in this case?????


JMO

Raisnback
GW4, proof already has been shown that he has assisted Jake in many ways, first he has shown aggression towards his wife and threatening LE/The Governor, there are supposed to be to up coming witness a mother and brother going to testify against him or they will be put on Death Row, GW4, new about the murders for 2 years and never said a word to the LE costing the tax payers of Ohio millions of dollars not counting what he put the victims family thru, the state has recording, Guns used to kill the victims with, that belonged to GW4, and if you really believe GW4 is innocent, and I’m saying this in a good way, this WS thread is justice for the Rhoden/ Giley victims, then again you might right about GW4 but I heard a few months ago in pre-trial court GW4 s attorneys told the court that GW4 was at the murder scene only to protect Jake (BS) so that is all the proof I need

 

[Ann99]

I found it very telling yesterday that, when Billy used the ruse of losing his cell phone to get Chris Rhoden, Sr to stand at his front door and call Billy's phone, the phone records showed Billy's phone rang at Peterson Rd. Of course, the moment Chris Sr. stepped to the front door, he was shot by either Jake or George with George's gun.

The phones of Billy, Jake and George all pinged at Peterson Rd that night, but they were up on Union Hill Rd killing 7 people.

ETA: For those who don't realize that's proof the Wagners were at the murder scene, remember Chris Sr's phone records show the last phone call he made before he was killed was to Billy Wagner's phone, which rang at Peterson Rd. All of this supports what Jake told prosecutors in his confession.

I agree, but how clear is this to the Jury?
Yesterday I heard no emphasis on the fact that W’s purposely left their phones at Peterson. Seemed as though Billy was not on UHR. Did I miss something?
Or, did AC clarify?
And, how did Billy communicate with Chris? Did he shout from the street ?
If we can’t piece it together how can the Jury?
Prosecution needs to clue the Jury in on all background information. Right now Prosecution seems to be muddying the waters, confusing and contradictory.
Does anyone have an opinion? Is the Jury confused almost every step of the way?
Or is it all clear to the jury members?

 

[Ann99]

Update.

Pike County murder trial: Texts highlight Wagner family dynamic, purchases for possible silencer

On Wednesday, witnesses presented cell phone data, including text messages between members of the Wagner family, and investigators set the scene for the Wagners' return from Alaska

www.wcpo.com

i see nothing here that answers my questions in above post.

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On April 21, 2016, the day before the murders happened, Billy exchanged several calls with Jake and George, Forney said. During those calls, Billy's phone pinged on cell towers near the Flying W Farm. At 5:55 p.m. that day, Billy called Chris Sr. and spoke to him for just under a minute and a half; Billy's phone was at Flying W during that call, Forney said. Then, at 8:51 p.m. that evening, Billy called Chris Sr. again; Billy's phone was at the Wagner home on Peterson Road at that point.

Between 10:22 p.m. and 10:55 p.m. that night, Chris Sr. called Billy's phone four times, each time going to voicemail, Forney said; Billy's phone was on Peterson Road. Prosecutors said during opening statements that Billy set up a meeting with Chris Sr. to discuss an upcoming drug deal as a ruse to murder him that night. Prosecution also claims Billy asked Chris Sr. to call his phone that night as a way to lure him to the porch, while Jake and George hid outside with a high-powered rifle, ready to fire.

During an interview with Billy, played in the court room earlier in the trial, the Wagner patriarch told investigators he'd gotten a new phone because he'd smashed the old one after he'd tried to call Chris Sr., who he declared was his best friend, too many times after the murders. Foley said none of the numbers investigators had for Billy ever called Chris Sr.'s phone after the murders.”

 

[joe jones]

I watch a trial and base my thoughts and opinions on what has been presented at trial, and AC has argued in trial from day one this was a family who were stuck together like glue and had meetings and voting round the kitchen table, so far she has not been able to provide evidence of this, as close as she has come is TC saying they had meetings she doesn't know if they voted, that testimony for me is not enough to believe that the W were having meetings about everything and voting on everything, TC said BW was "seldom" there and BW was off hauling cattle for a week at a time, throughout the period leading up to the murders and post the murders AC placed into evidence BW was off driving the truck places (via his phone evidence) as was JW and GW, so all 4 were very rarely at home together and I doubt BW spent hardly any time at Peterson Rd pre or post the murders,

AC has shown that BW couldn't stand his boys, and chose not to live with AW whilst she continued to live with the boys, AW and BW marriage was not going well at this stage, so I can't see many kitchen table meetings going on with all those underlying family tensions, so if I go on evidence presented at trial the W were not a cohesive unit at all, and evidence presented so far has not revealed one person or piece of evidence to show that any murder discussions have taken place, jury can't infer discussions took place it has to be proved,

The case against GW so far in the trial is shoe prints were found at crime scene which AW bought, nobody so far has put said shoes on GW feet, (we are told JW will do so but we haven't heard from him yet). The wish list of guns, I need to hear the context of the conversation when the wish list is spoken by GW to see if that is evidence that he lied about wish list (still doesn't reach guilty of conspiracy to murder 8 people if all he did was lie about a list that JW had on his phone). TC didn't add anything to make him G of conspiracy to murder.

There is nothing else that puts him anywhere that he has been shown to be planning and preparing for the murders (so far in my opinion) nothing puts him at the scene, nothing puts him disposing of evidence, and for me if the only evidence of GW participating comes from JW and AW then I would have been concerned that he would be found NG and I would vote NG, but IMO this jury will vote G even if there is a lack of evidence, after all those crime scene photos, all those lethal guns held up in court, weeks of trial, 8 victims, you would have to be a strong minded juror to say the state didn't reach BARD, it is easier to say he was a Wagner, he's mixed up in it somewhere and vote G

 

[twall]

James Pilcher

@jamespilcher

Good morning from Day 22 of the Pike Co murder trial of George Wagner IV. First up - hearing on whether defense can introduce the 4-5 hour interview with Jake Wagner. If judge doesn't allow it, it will be BCI agent Jennifer Comisford, who interviewed Angela Wagner.

Canepa: Nothing that Jake Wagner said that day that led to any extra investigative steps.

And how to you sort through 5 and a half hours of interview to find out how it changed the investigation. Also Jake denies it and denies that family did it - calls it disingenuous approach to try to get something into evidence not allowed.

Judge asks why statement needs to be introduced. Not impeaching Scheiderer during cross-examination

 

[Betty P]

Did George's attorney just admit there is proof of conspiracy? That's why I heard him say in his argument.

Also interesting that Angela Canepa said there was nothing of investigative value in Jake's interview, but there was a lot of information in Billy's that gave them evidence to pursue more investigative work.

 

[Ann99]

My current opinion.
The Prosecution is too close to this case and mired in the weeds trying to stick to chronological order.
Sorry to say, my opinion, it is not going well. Jury must be lost. MO

 

[altojack]

They've already started in court.

 

[twall]

Did George's attorney just admit there is proof of conspiracy? That's why I heard him say in his argument.

Also interesting that Angela Canepa said there was nothing of investigative value in Jake's interview, but there was a lot of information in Billy's that gave them evidence to pursue more investigative work.

yes but GW wasn't part of it.

 

[joe jones]

I think the defense will be hampered if they can't get the Judge to allow them to play JW interrogation, there case seems to be JW and AW are liars and they lie on a consistent basis, and they lie to LE on a consistent basis, so why should the jury believe them now

they can impeach them when they testify with prior statements, but I think it is much more powerful for the jury to hear them talking and lie after lie comes from their mouths,

I doubt the judge will allow it though, he has only sustained the defenses objections in trial a few times,