OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #77

[justtrish]

Aghh so I'm listening again and after that tape is played of George and Angela, the prosecution says playing that tapes with the statements on it that George is claiming someone planted evidence, is not allowed and if that is a claim George wants to make or introduce to the jury, then he can take the stand and tell them himself. That type of evidence is not allowed to be introduced in this way unless he's willing to take the stand.

 

[twall]

LOL at George's rant going on and on to Angela. I missed this because I thought court was over and then they played the entire conversations.

He is blaming people from FB and Topix for planting evidence at their farm. LOL

Also why the heck would BCI drive to Alaska? I am pretty sure it makes more sense to just fly, but George swears he sees an Ohio BCI car following them? I guess it's possible they would drive, but why?

Lol, I thought he was going to have a stroke! I don't know what the defense is thinking by wanting the entire conversations played. IMO they hurt GW more than help but yet I don't want it to be grounds for an appeal win. Judge Deering is going to rule tomorrow on their admissibility.

 

[ColMustard]

Lol, I thought he was going to have a stroke! I don't know what the defense is thinking by wanting the entire conversations played. IMO they hurt GW more than help but yet I don't want it to be grounds for an appeal win. Judge Deering is going to rule tomorrow on their admissibility.

Or as GW4 puts it, "submissibility".

 

[abeaman02]

@GiGi4277 "Accessibility options on your device - Play stereo audio as mono. Now I have it in both ears"

It worked, thank you!

 

[Myland]

Jmo but I just listened to conversation about border and George said Tabby would go to jail. He didn’t say he would kill T. Was all hxxx meaning in the courts?

 

[justtrish]

Lol, I thought he was going to have a stroke! I don't know what the defense is thinking by wanting the entire conversations played. IMO they hurt GW more than help but yet I don't want it to be grounds for an appeal win. Judge Deering is going to rule tomorrow on their admissibility.

Right he was so worked up and it seemed like it was all this hostility because of the selling of the house and the new owner not knowing about these searches or there not being warrants, but I can't imagine they didn't have a warrant.
I wonder if the new owner just said that so it wouldn't seem like he was cooperating? I don't think I've heard if the buyer of their house knew them before or not? Not trying to sleuth the new owner, but curious if this was someone known to the W's or was it a stranger? Would the new owner have reason to be afraid of the W's and possibly not let on that they consented to the searches at that time? I feel like I saw it or read it that the new owner gave permission for the searches once the W's were out of there BEFORE the new owner moved in?

If I was the buyer of a house associated with the W's I sure would want them to search before I moved in. Leave no stone unturned.

 

[twall]

Right he was so worked up and it seemed like it was all this hostility because of the selling of the house and the new owner not knowing about these searches or there not being warrants, but I can't imagine they didn't have a warrant.
I wonder if the new owner just said that so it wouldn't seem like he was cooperating? I don't think I've heard if the buyer of their house knew them before or not? Not trying to sleuth the new owner, but curious if this was someone known to the W's or was it a stranger? Would the new owner have reason to be afraid of the W's and possibly not let on that they consented to the searches at that time? I feel like I saw it or read it that the new owner gave permission for the searches once the W's were out of there BEFORE the new owner moved in?

If I was the buyer of a house associated with the W's I sure would want them to search before I moved in. Leave no stone unturned.

BBM-you are correct-

SNIP (from a in depth article about todays proceedings)-

BCI agents repeatedly testified previously that they had voluntary permission from the property's new owners to perform those searches, negating the need for a warrant.

Pike County murder trial: Wiretaps played for jury as court enters sixth week of testimony

The trial of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County in 2016 continued into its sixth week of testimony on Monday, with the prosecution continuing to call witnesses.

www.wcpo.com

 

[twall]

Poor kid
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Prosecution then played several audio recordings made while BCI were working to gather evidence. The first recording played was taken from the bug placed in the Wagner's vehicle when they were stopped by Border Patrol agents at the border of Canada and Montana.

In that recording, George is heard speaking to his son, B, Eveslage said.

“You know what they want? The people at the border who talked to you and Sudsy, they want to kill your Uncle Jake, they want to kill your (inaudible), they want to kill your papaw and me for no reason," George can be heard telling his toddler-aged son. "Because they are bad people. They are bad people. They want us all to die, and they will take you away and give you to bad people. They want to take Sudsy away and give her to bad people. They are bad people. Don’t listen to what they tell you. They’re liars. That’s what they are. They are liars."

Much of the recording is difficult to hear, with ambient noise and engine sounds punctuating it for awhile. Later in the recording, George can be heard talking to someone else; Eveslage said agents were notified that, while the bug was being listened to, George called Jake. It also sounded as if he spoke to Angela.

"I'm bringing all hell with me," he said, telling Angela to take care of his son.

George can be heard angrily speaking about Tabby, his ex-wife, explaining he believed she was at the border and tried to see B without his permission. He said he showed his son pictures, asking which people and agents spoke to him and indicated B reacted to one of the photos. He can be heard shouting that his ex-wife will be going to jail, because she broke their custody agreement by seeing B without supervision or permission.

Pike County murder trial: Wiretaps played for jury as court enters sixth week of testimony

The trial of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County in 2016 continued into its sixth week of testimony on Monday, with the prosecution continuing to call witnesses.

www.wcpo.com

 

[rsd1200]

Not if they log out of their own account and log in as the person whose messages they are trying to observe. I have a business FB and can see any accounts I have blocked on the personal account.

I understand that. I block folks with dual FB accounts. Only their most active account is permitted. I can barely keep up with one account, let alone their five other ones. I have also been blocked by the cray cray individual who we've had to fight for visitation rights. When we found we were being followed during visits we finally just had to say goodbye to the little one. Unless they unblock me, they can't see me and I can't see them. I've never blocked them, in case the child ever wants to contact us. If I go to their last FB convo with me, it shows that the individual is no longer available. The Rs/HHG would have to know they'd been blocked. Has the Prosecution shown us the secondary accounts that the W4 used to log into the R and G, FB accounts (plural)? I think everyone in this case had more than one FB account.

 

[rsd1200]

It wasn't a surprise power point though was it? I understood that the prosecution was providing the slides to the defense each morning for that day. This isn't new evidence just the evidence in a slide the witness sometimes provides to help with presenting their testimony. This wasn't something totally new to the defense, just the slides needed to be looked at to ensure they were okay with them. I think it was a slide that was missed and not intentional. I get objecting to that, but I didn't see it being intentional or something the prosecution was doing to "hide" something big or try to sneak in something.

That was not my interpretation. The judge admonished her about such things previously. I may have misunderstood though.

 

[Cool Cats]

Right he was so worked up and it seemed like it was all this hostility because of the selling of the house and the new owner not knowing about these searches or there not being warrants, but I can't imagine they didn't have a warrant.
I wonder if the new owner just said that so it wouldn't seem like he was cooperating? I don't think I've heard if the buyer of their house knew them before or not? Not trying to sleuth the new owner, but curious if this was someone known to the W's or was it a stranger? Would the new owner have reason to be afraid of the W's and possibly not let on that they consented to the searches at that time? I feel like I saw it or read it that the new owner gave permission for the searches once the W's were out of there BEFORE the new owner moved in?

If I was the buyer of a house associated with the W's I sure would want them to search before I moved in. Leave no stone unturned.

Angela said BCI got a Warrant to search their property and gave it to them. If new owners say they weren't given Warrants then it must be the Warrant was extended or taken out for an indefinite period of time.

One way or the other evidence can't be used that is found in private home property searches without Warrants. To search a person's property without a Warrant is like not reading a person their Miranda rights. Has to be done in the legal way.

 

[rsd1200]

Hope the jury have a transcript

A transcript, yes. A summary? I'd not be so on board with.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I like Judge Deering but I cannot imagine Junk being in that position. Is it not an elected position? Well, that may not matter if he can run the projector by the end of the trial. I'm sorry, I just dislike the man.

He ran uncontested. His term begins 2/9/2023, and Pike County will be blessed with him for 6 years. Sorry Pike County.

 

[Myland]

Jmo goggling something to do with wires doesn’t state killed someone.

 

[Betty P]

It wasn't a surprise power point though was it? I understood that the prosecution was providing the slides to the defense each morning for that day. This isn't new evidence just the evidence in a slide the witness sometimes provides to help with presenting their testimony. This wasn't something totally new to the defense, just the slides needed to be looked at to ensure they were okay with them. I think it was a slide that was missed and not intentional. I get objecting to that, but I didn't see it being intentional or something the prosecution was doing to "hide" something big or try to sneak in something.

This defense team pulled similar tricks during pre-trial. They make false accusations against the prosecution about evidence all the time. Always accusing them of not turning over evidence, always proven wrong.

 

[Myland]

Jmo search warrant on digging call. We know Angela and Jake knows what happened but this call doesn’t prove George knew

 

[Piffcat]

that solvent catcher is a huge red flag. i cant believe how stupid the wagners are. the most basic opsec on a labtop will include bleachbit to write over all search data or anything else. there are a couple of items sold to modify guns illegally but are stated to be something else. best example being the little piece which modifies the firing pin on a glock to become automatic cost about 4 dollars. solvent catchers are used as an adapter to screw on to the threaded end of a barrel. someone looking up guns and a solvent catcher is almost 100 percent looking to build a silencer

5 Things You Need To Know About Solvent Trap 2022

solvent traps are designed to be threaded onto the end of a barrel, solvent traps are used to catch oils and solvents while you clean barrel. While the end caps of these kits are threaded in 1/2×28 or other common pitches, the end caps and cups are not being drilled as they would be in a suppressor.

kmwhisper.com

 

[Betty P]

I think the phone intercepts have more value to the state played in full. That rant by GW4 is priceless.

Except, to quote Judge Deering, when they have to play 55 minutes of road noise.

They also can't play conversations in which the Wagners make accusations and false claims about the state, its evidence, etc. Then it would have to be introduced as evidence and the person making the claim has to take the stand.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo search warrant on digging call. We know Angela and Jake knows what happened but this call doesn’t prove George knew

He was asking very specific questions about what spots on the farm BCI was searching. He knew of locations where they didn't want BCI to search.
He can take the stand and be cross examined if he wants to explain those statements.

 

[Cool Cats]

Except, to quote Judge Deering, when they have to play 55 minutes of road noise.

They also can't play conversations in which the Wagners make accusations and false claims about the state, its evidence, etc. Then it would have to be introduced as evidence and the person making the claim has to take the stand.

Very interesting. Didn't know that.

Accusing the Manley's of murder for insurance money takes the cake. Interesting dinner conversation for the Manley's tonight.

You were right about the Wagner's giving BCI tips against the Manley's. You mentioned that possibility a few times in earlier threads if I remember correctly.