OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #77

[ColMustard]

There was a drill bit brought by JW that was also highlighted in testimony today. What was that used for I wonder? Maybe trying to get in the safe?

To drill through the baffles when building the suppressors. Making holes for the bullet to go through.

 

[Pru2U]

I had a feeling when AW told GWIV that the Alaska home would be put into his name was because should a fire, you know, break out AW and BW didn't wanna be seen as involved in so many previous fires. Making GWIV a fresh new victim.
Again, I state this was a practice to make a purchase then declare fraud. JMO

Good stuff, thanks!

 

[justtrish]

@pattinewberry
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Prosecutors continued to share "intercepts" with jurors in the #PikeCountyMassacre trial of #GeorgeWagnerIV today. But defense objections to "snippets'' of phone calls between Wagners -- rather than calls in full -- cut the day in court short. (Photo:

Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa indicated she'll soon add 2018 intercepts to the 2017 ones she provided today. That collection -- conversations between the brothers in the cab of their semitrailer truck -- is "extremely damning stuff," Canepa said. 9/10
https://twitter.com/pattinewberry

The prosecution maintains that the long version of intercepts is akin to testimony from Wagner IV, while they are still presenting their case against him. "We don't want him to be able to testify about all this other stuff if he's not on the stand," Canepa said. 10/10

BBM - Found the post with the tweet about the comments AC made. I still haven't found it in the recording from yesterday's video.

 

[ColMustard]

BBM - Found the post with the tweet about the comments AC made. I still haven't found it in the recording from yesterday's video.

Should be at the start of yesterday's video, just before the jury is brought in.

Edit: I am incorrect. I just covered the first 58 minutes of yesterday's video and haven't found it yet. So it may be just after a break, or lunch, without the jury present. I know AC was standing in the center of the shot talking to the judge.

 

[arielilane]

New thread for second afternoon session for Wagner Pike County Trial. Next up is BCI forensic accounting supervisor Mike Kaizar who has opted in


He started in private sector and investigated fraud all over the world. He says he thought it would be boring just doing criminal stuff for BCI but it has been anything but. Does drug cases/murder cases.

Says he focuses clearly on what allegations are instead of auditor who looks at everything. Looks at bank records, tax statements etc.

Finding the bank accounts is the biggest challenge for him. Once he gets them, he can start plowing through the records.

He might start with utilities - asks them through subpoena how they are paying their bills. Then finds banks and then can find the rest

Credit card purchases can take longer to post than when the purchase was actually made - especially ones from overseas. Also will flag fraud protection - like the ones made from Chinese company on George Wagner's card - and triggered fraud alert

That was me saying that about the George Wagner card - not him yet.

"Everything shows up" even when you dispute it and it comes off

He started helping on Rhoden homicide case in July or August 2016.

But also dove into the Wagner family finances after they were identified as supsects.

All the records he searched for all these accounts https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

The first shared account between Billy and Angela closed in May 2016.

He was on look at for flashlights, specialized drill bits, tactical equipment etc. ... found several of these.

Some accounts were in George's name, also shared with Jake. One purchase from that was for Winter Soldier mask as listed below, as well as lots of concrete mix.

Also he noticed several insurance payouts - my comment here - possibly from previous house fires etc. One was for $40k to George Wagner - three different ones all deposited in March 2016.

This was to the trucking company account that was in George's name.

There was also a deposit of a check from Fredericka and Bob Wagner for $33,000 into the account controlled by George IV and Angela Wagner in March 2016.

There was also a deposit of a check from Fredericka and Bob Wagner for $33,000 into the account controlled by George IV and Angela Wagner in March 2016. Then there was money transferred to another account, and that account paid a lawyer $27,000

They went into the credit card data for each person but then shut it down for the day. Kaizar will be back tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[justtrish]

Should be at the start of yesterday's video, just before the jury is brought in.

I'll try to find it! It seems the Law and Crime video I was watching didn't start at the beginning. The start of it shows them already in the court room talking. I listened from the start of that video and didn't hear the statement.

 

[Betty P]

Deceased/Not Found - CA - Kristin Smart, 19, San Luis Obispo, 5/25/1996 *Guilty* #4

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Judge Deering retiring? He's not even finished with Billy yet and sentencing etc... Haven't heard of him retiring.

Yes, he's retiring at the end of this year, IIRC.

I'll try to find it! It seems the Law and Crime video I was watching didn't start at the beginning. The start of it shows them already in the court room talking. I listened from the start of that video and didn't hear the statement.

Try the WCPO video, if it's available yet. Sometimes it takes them a day or two to post to YouTube

 

[joe jones]

Because the defense doesn't want the jury to have transcripts. The recordings are devastating. The defense would rather be able to say the recording segments are garbled and ambiguous. The Judge can't force a party to offer an exhibit, so the Defense just says "no." Maybe the judge will allow the Prosecution's transcripts in, but the Defense will object.

I didn't hear anything so far on any of the recordings that are devastating for GW, the state has said the ones from the truck are damaging to GW, the conversations between GW and JW may reveal information,

JW is the one most damaged by the recordings as he was secretly recording HR, he went to DR home pre the murders and saw the layout and learned who slept where,

the phone calls that were recorded if we really stretch, we can reach a small piece of evidence that GW asked CN to speak to "nobody" about him and JW, he didn't specify not speak to BCI which JW did
the phone call about the searching of Peterson Rd seems to be JW was in touch with new owners, AW was stressing over which barn,
the jury haven't listened to the GW ranting recording so as far as they are aware the recording doesn't exist

 

[joe jones]

well on that listening to about the finances, GW was involved with many insurance claims in 2014, the state may have other witnesses who will show the claims were fraudulent or not,

I am perplexed about where the 174,000 dollars cheque came from in 2014, I heard that GW and JW grandparents gave them 33,000 dollars - but where did the rest come from, I assume it was to buy Peterson Rd

 

[PrairieWind]

I didn't hear anything so far on any of the recordings that are devastating for GW, the state has said the ones from the truck are damaging to GW, the conversations between GW and JW may reveal information,

JW is the one most damaged by the recordings as he was secretly recording HR, he went to DR home pre the murders and saw the layout and learned who slept where,

the phone calls that were recorded if we really stretch, we can reach a small piece of evidence that GW asked CN to speak to "nobody" about him and JW, he didn't specify not speak to BCI which JW did
the phone call about the searching of Peterson Rd seems to be JW was in touch with new owners, AW was stressing over which barn,
the jury haven't listened to the GW ranting recording so as far as they are aware the recording doesn't exist

I think the recordings yet to come are the ones that are the real issue.

 

[ColMustard]

I'll try to find it! It seems the Law and Crime video I was watching didn't start at the beginning. The start of it shows them already in the court room talking. I listened from the start of that video and didn't hear the statement.

Sorry, I was incorrect, see my edit above.

There's two parts of the video, I'm currently beyond an hour into part one and haven't found it.

 

[Pru2U]

I didn't hear anything so far on any of the recordings that are devastating for GW, the state has said the ones from the truck are damaging to GW, the conversations between GW and JW may reveal information,

JW is the one most damaged by the recordings as he was secretly recording HR, he went to DR home pre the murders and saw the layout and learned who slept where,

the phone calls that were recorded if we really stretch, we can reach a small piece of evidence that GW asked CN to speak to "nobody" about him and JW, he didn't specify not speak to BCI which JW did
the phone call about the searching of Peterson Rd seems to be JW was in touch with new owners, AW was stressing over which barn,
the jury haven't listened to the GW ranting recording so as far as they are aware the recording doesn't exist

Which rant recording? The one about them searching the farm or the one to little Vine about BCI in Montana? Because THAT one was sketch as all get out. Telling your 2 y/o child someone wants to kill his family and take them away is certainly not a confession but it does speak to his (panicked) state of mind after the searches. It also reeks of violence.

It would give me pause as a juror -- if I could actually hear the darn thing! Arrg!

 

[altojack]

well on that listening to about the finances, GW was involved with many insurance claims in 2014, the state may have other witnesses who will show the claims were fraudulent or not,

I am perplexed about where the 174,000 dollars cheque came from in 2014, I heard that GW and JW grandparents gave them 33,000 dollars - but where did the rest come from, I assume it was to buy Peterson Rd

Like I've been saying for a long time Freddie paid for Defiance Farm for George and Jake. IIRC it was to be a home for George, his wife and little B, also Jake, Hanna Mae and little S.

the cheque was for 174,000$ from Grandma and Grandad Wagner.

 

[Betty P]

I think they did...it is in the opening. I am not convinced there was a dog at DR's. Did not hear any testimony about it or see any trace of a dog like we did at CRSr., FR and KR homes. JMO

Yes, there was a dog, but apparently it knew Jake well enough. Not sure why.

 

[justtrish]

I think the recordings yet to come are the ones that are the real issue.

I agree. I can't wait to hear. I wonder if ole George the IV is heard saying things about specific purchases he knew about or specific evidence found in specific areas that only those that put it there would know about?

 

[Chelly]

I think the recordings yet to come are the ones that are the real issue.

If AC has a smoking gun buried in an upcoming audio, I hope the sound quality is such that we and the jury can hear it.

 

[justtrish]

If AC has a smoking gun buried in an upcoming audio, I hope the sound quality is such that we and the jury can hear it.

I think the BCI would attempt to relocate the device in the big rig if it was not being heard clearly. The first device in their vehicle was only able to be placed because they had the truck at the border and all 4 of them were not in sight. I'd imagine trying to move it later would be much more tricky than moving the one in the big rig. The owner of the company they worked for gave them permission to put that device in there so I'd think if it needed moved, they also would have permission.

The recordings today sound like Jake's phone was in his pocket and Hannah didn't know she was being recorded.

 

[abeaman02]

No problem there, it's completely vanished, not archived anywhere that a commoner can find. If only there was an archive, I think Ws might be easy to spot now.
, there
I bet Ms. Eveslage knows where it is. You could tell by her timestamps, she worked all hours on this case.

Actually it is there is a sight you can go on where almost everything on the internet is archived, and I found Topix and comments about the murders. Not sure if I can provide a link or name here. Don't want to get in trouble

 

[ColMustard]

Sorry for the confusion justtrish, I've finished part one and didn't find it. I'll try part two.

 

[ColMustard]

Actually it is there is a sight you can go on where almost everything on the internet is archived, and I found Topix and comments about the murders. Not sure if I can provide a link or name here. Don't want to get in trouble

No, the mods don't want us bringing anything over from there. edit: Maybe unless and until something is entered into evidence, of course that's up to the mods, not me.

If it's the wayback machine, they list the forum but when you look in, it just says no links saved.