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LeftEyed said:
I don't believe they had the murder truck very long at all. Just can't recall the specific number of weeks
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I believe the testimony from BCI agent was they had it from April 22, 2016 until Jake told BCI where it was two days before he formally plead guilty on April 21, 2021. So 5 years.

It was still on the property but wasn't running & said it hadn't for a long time.
 
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Highlights from the end of defense cross examination of Angela Wagner, mother of defendant George Wagner IV in the Pike County massacre case

Defense lawyer Richard Nash repeatedly got Angela to admit she dragged her mother into a murder plot with the forgery of custody documents. She was willing to do that but not willing to have to make Jake testify against her.

"I did not want to make him go through what I'm going through" she said.

As for her mother Angela says "You are absolutely correct. I was trying to protect my family.”

"I have regret. I have remorse. And I am more than sorry, but that's not enough. She (her granddaughter) was a baby. She was family." That was a reference to the suspected abuse granddaughter was receiving at Rhodens

She's asked - is that what you still believe? "I never actually wanted anyone to be murdered from the very beginning." Agrees she took the deal to possibly see her grandchildren at some point.

Nash also asks if she thinks getting the equivalent of 4 years for each of the 8 victims is a good deal. "That's not how I understand it" but then Angela agrees the math is what it is.
 
Pru2U said:
I believe the testimony from BCI agent was they had it from April 22, 2016 until Jake told BCI where it was two days before he formally plead guilty on April 21, 2021. So 5 years.

It was still on the property but wasn't running & said it hadn't for a long time.
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Yes, I heard and saw that BCI testimony as well. I recall the evidence photos showed the truck in a large garage on that other W property. I doubt it ever was driven again...to hot to handle.
 
CIA Team Member said:
He's gonna ride this out till the end. If found guilty and LWOP or anything else, he'll petition the courts to infinity for a new trial.
If he pleas, he may not be offered the option to a redress; as AW was.
JMO
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I agree. I doubt the State is offering any plea deal now other than Life, so there really isn't any reason for GW4 to not see this through to the end.
 
Pru2U said:
CR's father's issue was mentioned a couple of times but I don't remember how it came up. Also, Jake mentioned HR being raped in a text between two of them that was read aloud by J Eversledge( I think it was her). Those 2 things did come out. Also Tabi's stepfather. There's been plenty of talk about it for sure.

I think because I'm so close to it, it didn't dawn on me the jury would seriously consider AW was telling the truth about little S. That was a good wake-up call.
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Need to go back to see those texts. I only recall that in the context of Jake saying it, not Hanna.
 
LIVE: Pike County murder trial: Cross examination of Angela Wagner continues

Posted at 9:07 AM, Nov 03, 2022

and last updated 1 hour ago

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George Wagner IV enters the courthouse. The trial of George Washington Wagner IV resumes Thursday November 3, 2022 at the Pike County Common Pleas Court in Waverly, Ohio. Eight members of the Rhoden family were found shot to death at four different locations on April 21-22, 2016.



WAVERLY, Ohio — On Thursday, defense attorneys resumed their cross examination of Angela Wagner, whose son is on trial for the murders of eight people in Pike County in 2016.

Nash questioned Angela on the dynamics within the family. Angela conceded that, in the Wagner household, there was a lot of yelling and loud disagreements and said Billy was sometimes physically abusive; on Wednesday, she testified that Billy, on more than one occasion, choked George.

Billy also threatened to force Angela to accompany him during the murder spree, she said.

Billy doled out instructions on what to do leading up to the homicides, she said, including telling her to send texts from George and Jake's phones to make it look like they were home during the homicides. Nash accused her of only sending the alibi messages for Jake, not George, but she denied that.

"I am pretty sure I did both phones," she said.
 
arielilane said:
LIVE: Pike County murder trial: Cross examination of Angela Wagner continues

Posted at 9:07 AM, Nov 03, 2022

and last updated 1 hour ago

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Photo by: Brooke LaValley/Brooke LaValley/Columbus Dispatch
George Wagner IV enters the courthouse. The trial of George Washington Wagner IV resumes Thursday November 3, 2022 at the Pike County Common Pleas Court in Waverly, Ohio. Eight members of the Rhoden family were found shot to death at four different locations on April 21-22, 2016.



WAVERLY, Ohio — On Thursday, defense attorneys resumed their cross examination of Angela Wagner, whose son is on trial for the murders of eight people in Pike County in 2016.

Nash questioned Angela on the dynamics within the family. Angela conceded that, in the Wagner household, there was a lot of yelling and loud disagreements and said Billy was sometimes physically abusive; on Wednesday, she testified that Billy, on more than one occasion, choked George.

Billy also threatened to force Angela to accompany him during the murder spree, she said.

Billy doled out instructions on what to do leading up to the homicides, she said, including telling her to send texts from George and Jake's phones to make it look like they were home during the homicides. Nash accused her of only sending the alibi messages for Jake, not George, but she denied that.

"I am pretty sure I did both phones," she said.
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JMO, they were probably all using meth back then. Maybe it caused the paranoia and anger that triggered this tragedy. It made them feel like they were very smart, had figured out a great plan and wouldn't get caught. Just guessing. JMO
 
Dudly said:
The dog kennel she owned burned and the dogs were killed….she mentioned it on her Facebook page… No link so MOO…
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Angela Wagner
Po Box 1394/ 845 Bethel Hill Rd.
Lucasville, Ohio 45648

At this address Angela's kennel burned down with the dogs in it on December 17, 2005. She claimed it was an electrical fire. I hope this wasn't a planned arson. Remember, their pastor said "they cried over dogs."

WHITEPINES KENNEL - Specializing in F1B Labradoodles, and Goldendoodles.

WILL NEVER FORGET YOU.

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p://web.archive.org/web/20060221074754/http://whitepineskennel.com/

THIS WEBSITE IS NOW DEDICATED TO THE MEMORY OF OUR GIRLS, GUYS AND BABIES THAT WAS LOST IN THE ELECTRICAL FIRE IN OUR KENNEL AND NURSERY ON DEC.17, 2005.
YOU ARE DEARLY MISSED AND LOVED EACH DAY BY US, WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU.
 
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Pike County murder trial: Jake Wagner 'could not bear to think' or speak about his crimes after the murders

Jake Wagner continued testifying against his brother, who is on trial for the murder of eight people in Pike County in 2016.
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Canepa asked Jake about his relationships with Chris Sr. and Gary. He said he liked Gary and had gone hunting with him on at least one occasion; his relationship with Chris was very close. Chris Sr. had supported him, even after his daughter and Jake broke up, he said.

"I looked at him as a second father and had hoped he would be my father-in-law," he said.

After the murders, Jake said he couldn't bring himself to talk about what happened, even with his family. His mother and father had offered him their ears, but he said instead he decided he would bottle it up, never mentioning what they'd done.
 
Pru2U said:
CR's father's issue was mentioned a couple of times but I don't remember how it came up. Also, Jake mentioned HR being raped in a text between two of them that was read aloud by J Eversledge( I think it was her). Those 2 things did come out. Also Tabi's stepfather. There's been plenty of talk about it for sure.

I think because I'm so close to it, it didn't dawn on me the jury would seriously consider AW was telling the truth about little S. That was a good wake-up call.
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We also had the testimony from Jake that S admitted Beth didn't do anything to her and she was just worried Beth was going to take her daddy away. What seems normal is a 3-4 year old acting out because they are jealous of daddy's new love, but what isn't "normal" is the claim of touching her. I think she learned that because of all the talk these adults around her had about anyone and everyone doing inappropriate touching.

When we hear Frankie was suspicious because he kissed her on the lips. LOTS of toddlers do that. I remember when my own kids were little and I'd try to get a kiss on the check there were times when they seek out my lips. The mimic what they see and when everyone is kissing on the lips, I think it's very normal to mimic that. I am not sure what point it becomes weird for people, but I know families that are close that still kiss on the lips (closed mouth of course) as adults and I don't ever think eww oh wow something is off there.

It makes me more angry the more I think about it. Let's see this behavior in context. Frankie had a son the same age as Sophia (roughly) and a 6 month old. I would imagine often when Sophia was around Frankie, he also had his own kids there. They likely would all play and of course parents hug, kiss, wrestle, show affection for their own kids and little Sophia likely jumped right in. It's just awful to think Frankie showing his niece the same attention he showed his own kids would be seen as him being too affectionate and suspicious. And if I recall correctly, Billy was the one that was supposed to keep an eye out when he was around. I don't think that man has an affectionate bone in his body so what does he know about this anyway?

Sorry I went off on a rant. The more I think on this, the more I think Billy, Jake, and George were all duped by Angela. I mean we knew that, but thinking deeper about all these interactions and all the small things that might not be noticed if it were just that thing, but when combined just show a huge puzzle and Angela behind all of it putting pieces into place to get what she wanted.
 
ohioexpat63 said:
If an uncle or cousin gave me a vehicle reeking of fresh bleach, after their girlfriend's family had been murdered, wiped out, Id have some serious questions. I dont know of anyone who uses bleach to detail a vehicle. Jmo
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I don't think it's been said that they bleached it before taking it to her on April 22, 2016. It was mentioned that she was out at FWF taking photos in 2018, after the W's moved back and Billy was out there and he got bleach and was detailing it then. I think this would have been after the press release about asking for any information on vehicles of the W's.

I would have been a bit suspicious with a truck arriving to my house before the sun was up and then later that day finding out 8 people were murdered and the person gifting me this truck knew all of the victims.. But, if after the BCI was asking about vehicles of that family and I was around them and I saw/knew Billy was detailing that same car.. I think that would be the point I'd question it all.

Now I am wondering if they knew? Did they suspect something? I wonder if after that incident with Billy cleaning the truck did they park it then? When was it no longer drivable? Do they have many cars sitting around like Chris Sr did? Was this vehicle hidden or out in the open? Maybe we will get to hear these details.
 
twall said:
Nash doing re-cross now.
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Then a big pow wow with the judge. I bet Nash was going in for some type of big bam moment and AC said oh for Pete's sake objection! Can't wait to hear via tweet what that might have been. I predict an afternoon break before the next witness.

Edited to add George is definitely doodling now. He seems to be making things and coloring them in.
 
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