OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

[Caylee Advocate]

I think she’s involved in the aftermath, thanks to her son & his family.
She lived 3/4 of a century w/o issues.
I know some here want to blame her, I don’t. The 4 are adults. She had no control over them. Wonder if she even thought it best for JW to have custody of his daughter?
IMO, she did not realize how deep into this the 4 were until the searches began. I will never believe because she’s G3s mom she condoned or helped plot the murders. I do think
she particularly wants JW and his brother out of this.

Related—I notice on a lot of threads posters blame a parent of the suspect. A recent case (now closed) a poster said something like this “his mom probably wanted them dead, bet she told him to do it”, “his mom is a narc’ & is prob’ glad they’re dead”. On a missing person case I read posts implying the person was killed by her fiancé & his mom is assisting in his alibi. Yet, LE have not verified there’s an actual crime. I think stuff like this is pure nonsense.

I agree that she cannot be held responsible for the actions of grown men. However, if she helped in any way to hinder this investigation, she needs to be held accountable. Yes, I believe that she stood behind Jake and the custody of the little one, but I also believe she wasn't being told the truths behind everything. I am anxious to hear her defense and exactly what is behind her charges.

 

[Trudie]

I try never to do business on my phone unless I am at home and within my own little wifi world, and rarely then. My laptop is set up for that and I'm not a trusting soul. I have wifi app on my phone that will tell me if the wifi is encrypted, etc... if I'm at a place with free wifi.

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ROFL! That's not the first time I've been told that! Grab that account Raisin, they'll be makin' bank soon!

Ya know, this can happen to anyone. We have no idea what someone close to us “might” do. We “think” it will never happen in our circle, but it could.

What do we always here? “he/she was so normal, so nice, we never thought.......”

The Anthony’s, Peterson’s, McGuires & countless more are normal, every day people until they’re not.

 

[Trudie]

I agree that she cannot be held responsible for the actions of grown men. However, if she helped in any way to hinder this investigation, she needs to be held accountable. Yes, I believe that she stood behind Jake and the custody of the little one, but I also believe she wasn't being told the truths behind everything. I am anxious to hear her defense and exactly what is behind her charges.

I agree. Idk if prior to the murders if she thought S would be better off with J or not.
I, too, anxiously await hearing specifics to her charges. I can’t recall her next court date, can you?

 

[Puzzles8]

Fredericka and Bob from years ago. She used to help the less fortunate at the holidays by providing them with food baskets, not sure if she still does or not. Like her or not, she is a generous and compassionate old soul. I seriously just find it hard to believe she is in this mess.

FW may not have intended to be involved in the crime, but was inadvertently dragged in by the actions of GW3, AW, IV and JW. Something like the 4 of them building a silencer (used in the crime) on the FWF using FW's farm tools.
Would that make any of FW's property liable to seizure by LE?

 

[Trudie]

FW may not have intended to be involved in the crime, but was inadvertently dragged in by the 4. Something like the 4 building a silencer (used in the crime) on the FWF using FW's farm tools.
Would that make any of FW's property liable to seizure by LE?

I would not think so. Surely she’s insured to the nth degree & a lot of the farm is held in LLCs, I think. I would need to check again.
I’m sure someone here knows.

 

[Trudie]

Anyone heard if Jake’s pretrial will be televised?

 

[Woodpecker]

Idk. Every animal breeder I personally know deals with litigation frequently. Mostly, the animal turns out to be less than what the purchaser expected. I’m not talking about pigs, only dogs, cats & horses.
As far as the property deals, my take is dif’, I thought she was affording persons not able to secure a conventional loan the chance to own their home. Risky on her part because she entered into agreements knowing they are credit risks. It appears to me she had strong contractual agreements & she followed said agreement.

Financing risky property deals is a niche for some, hoping a buyer doesn’t fulfill the contract and forfeits the down payment, seller retains the property and resales it again. Forfeited funds is very profitable and pays off the mortgage.
It’s all in hopes they do get the property back so they can resale it 3-4 times.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I’ll have to re read the latest article on her and what previous tenants had to say. I don’t recall it being a very flattering portrayal of the Wagner matriarch. Her land contract agreements may have been legal, but my take from the media share is the contracts were unethical and perhaps casting a light on a wealthy woman preying on those just trying and struggling to own a piece of land and home.

Some of those former tenants speaking out have also neglected to mention just how many months of arrearages they were behind before the Wagners forced evictions.

Some of these same tenants have done the same thing to other property owners in the area, SM for one. Nothing in life is free yet there are freeloaders who will always have their story to tell after the fact. JMO

 

[Trudie]

Financing risky property deals is a niche for some, hoping a buyer doesn’t fulfill the contract and forfeits the down payment, seller retains the property and resales it again. Forfeited funds is very profitable and pays off the mortgage.
It’s all in hopes they do get the property back so they can resale it 3-4 times.

Exactly. Not an isolated incident, either. It’s basically rent-to-own. My grandma sold a lot of land like this. She had few renege on their contract. I think she was a bit more stringent, maybe requiring a down payment (which most don’t want to forfeit, so they make payments) and some credit references.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This is an article from 2016 for anyone who is interested in how much $hit slung in the Pike County sheriffs race. Charlie stood tall and I believe he will again.


Good night everyone, pleasant dreams.


Pike County sheriff's race among dirtiest in Ohio

 

[Trudie]

Some of those former tenants speaking out have also neglected to mention just how many months of arrearages they were behind before the Wagners forced evictions.

Some of these same tenants have done the same thing to other property owners in the area, SM for one. Nothing in life is free yet there are freeloaders who will always have their story to tell after the fact. JMO

Thank you for this!!! They were not forced to buy from her, nor to sign contracts. They bought “as is”, for agreed upon terms. Most were prob’ evicted repeatedly & had backgrounds disqualifying them from Section 8 or housing authority apartments.
Because of her wealth, some prob’ think she owed them something.
Not all of her land deals fell thru. Some people were grateful for the opportunity & satisfied their debt. Good for them & good for Mr. & Mrs. W for providing them with a chance when the banks would not.
IMO, other than knowing she’s charged with obstruction & perjury, and has had some question her animal biz, we know little.
Her religious beliefs are unimportant to me. Religion is a private matter for all of us & has absolutely nothing to do with this crime.
Barns catch fire around me on a weekly basis. I find nothing nefarious about her barn fire. I highly doubt she wanted her prized horse to burn to death. She seems to be an advocate for animals, IMO.
But, we all have opinions & that’s a good thing.

 

[rsd1200]

Would I as a juror have considered her mitigating factors?.. Yes, she had a horrible childhood.

Would I have elected to sentence her to death?.. Yes, she showed zero remorse and actually said she would kill again if given the opportunity.

I agree. If I were on a DP jury, and her case was in front of me, I could feel for what she'd been through, and, I do believe that a lot of people failed her, as she was growing up, but, she knew what she was doing.

 

[rsd1200]

We used to have a kazillion emojis on here (and I used one half of those kazillion) but now we are limited... sigh, the good old days. Hint, hint Tricia.

I miss our old emojis too. They were a lot more fun and expressive. Oh well...

 

[Trudie]

I would choose a bench trial over a jury trial, personally.
It astounds me as I read posts (not only this case, but all cases) how many believe the suspect guilty of all charges, despite having limited info.
One active case not even verified to be a crime (yet), but 99% posting have already convicted the fiancé of a missing woman.
I believe most people will lie & deny to be seated on a jury if it’s a nationally known case. Even if they admit knowledge of the case, can they be believed when claiming they can put their knowledge aside? I don't think so.

 

[Woodpecker]

Exactly. Not an isolated incident, either. It’s basically rent-to-own. My grandma sold a lot of land like this. She had few renege on their contract. I think she was a bit more stringent, maybe requiring a down payment (which most don’t want to forfeit, so they make payments) and some credit references.

Some people without credit will and do put down 5k just to buy a house. Seller hoping they will not fulfill the contract. Intentionally setup to fail. Contract for deed. Nothing good ever comes out of doing business with a bad person. JMO

 

[Trudie]

Some people without credit will and do put down 5k just to buy a house. Seller hoping they will not fulfill the contract. Intentionally setup to fail. Contract for deed. Nothing good ever comes out of doing business with a bad person. JMO

Hi WoodP, if I sell something, I expect the buyer to pay me.
As far as a land contract, the buyer enters intonsaid agreement freely.
Bet some just wanted to say “I bought a trailer”, never dreaming they’d get ousted once they quit paying. Most knew the system. Bet if background checks were performed on the people evicted by FW there’d be a history of evictions, damage charges, rents owed, etc.
If a person puts 5k down on a land contract, they better work, make payments, honor their contract so they don’t lose their down payment.
My local paper is full of land contract deals. Same ph number on most of the ads.

 

[Woodpecker]

Hi WoodP, if I sell something, I expect the buyer to pay me.
As far as a land contract, the buyer enters intonsaid agreement freely.
Bet some just wanted to say “I bought a trailer”, never dreaming they’d get ousted once they quit paying. Most knew the system. Bet if background checks were performed on the people evicted by FW there’d be a history of evictions, damage charges, rents owed, etc.
If a person puts 5k down on a land contract, they better work, make payments, honor their contract so they don’t lose their down payment.
My local paper is full of land contract deals. Same ph number on most of the ads.

There is a market for no paying buyers, as long as they have a substanial down payment, they temporarily own a house. Don’t pay, they are OUT. Lots of money in that business. And yes, they run bait and switch ads to lure them in. No credit, no problem ! RUN

 

[Woodpecker]

There is a market for no paying buyers, as long as they have a substanial down payment, they temporarily own a house. Don’t pay, they are OUT. Lots of money in that business. And yes, they run bait and switch ads to lure them in. No credit, no problem ! RUN

And these properties are usually priced way above fair market value as a rule

 

[Trudie]

And these properties are usually priced way above fair market value as a rule

Yup. People don’t take care of their credit. They know nothing about FMV. Like you said, they have temp’ housing. Many are transient, they don’t care about being evicted. Some enjoy the process & the pity party afterwards.
I would not sell land if the payment was $500 monthly to a person on SSI getting $784 a month. That would be really dumb & I know what the outcome would be. I’d have them for a month, then absorb legal costs to evict & I already know the dwelling would be one large mess.
Guess you can tell I was a landlord, huh?

Good night everyone. Be safe.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I agree that she cannot be held responsible for the actions of grown men. However, if she helped in any way to hinder this investigation, she needs to be held accountable. Yes, I believe that she stood behind Jake and the custody of the little one, but I also believe she wasn't being told the truths behind everything. I am anxious to hear her defense and exactly what is behind her charges.

I always knew that this case could have been about a land grab once the sole Rhodam baby now became a Wagner baby.

I just read that the Wagner Matriarch owns and makes money by owning the biggest parcel in Pike County.

So I wouldn't be surprised if she was okay with the murders while trying to figure out how to get the deeds in a trust for the sole Rodham/Wagner baby aka her great grand baby. I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

But anyways. This is how she conducts business with her 1000s of acres she owns.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/2030661002