OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

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MittenScarpetta said:
The news article stated JW gave five interviews from May 16th ish, 2016 to May 23, 2017. Interesting about September 2016 being when other family members were interviewed because that’s when AW posted the Excursion for sale online Angela Wagner The Peterson Road house was first listed in August 2016. It’s interesting to see these dates fall into place for a timeline of them moving to Alaska.
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The court documents was posted on sm so I don’t think I can copy it here, but younger George interviewed Sept 2016. Angela in Oct 2016 then no more until April 2017.
 
IQuestion said:
On the topic of appearance, JW is lanky, not emaciated. IMO His trophy wall tells me he is capable of waiting patiently and pulling a trigger. (Just guessing from seeing all the deer heads hanging on the walls of his residence.) Per Judge's inquiries, "Are you satisfied with the
work they are doing?" etc & "Any other problems that you need to bring to the court's attention?" etc. & "If you want to, you can tell, whisper in your attorney's ear and they can tell me." (What other problems? Lumpy mattress? Loud music? Poor video selection? Talkative cell mate? I was caught off guard with the "folksiness" of his queries. )
Is it just me, or does the judge seem over accommodating to this defendant? Were the questions for the benefit of a particular "home viewer"? I guess I'll have to wait and see if he asks the other defendants the same questions.
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While I think Judge Deering is a small townJudge a coup things made an impression

First, he is thorough when documenting people present;

Second, I think he very well may have been asking so that later on torture or mistreatment couldn’t be an issue of any kind in a lawsuit or an appeal;

Third, he reads each charge and the punishments imposed and often address s the defendant directly by name.

Last, although he begins late, he is always very clear concise and respectful. He runs a comfortable courtroom badly in need of a remodel.

And I’ll bet someone decided to buy that carpet and it covers a beautiful old floor thatshould be restored.

Any improvement to any county building and even a new jail is decades away due in great part to the exorbitant cost of investigating the Rhodens murders and the high cost of death penalty trials of the Wagners.

The $100,000.00 allocation by the State Legislature might be 20-30% of what I estimate it going to cost to prosecute these cases. And that estimate does NOT include a run up to the appeals court or the Supreme Court of the State of Ohio.

The murders and subsequent trials will impact the poverty stricken county for decades.

County Commissioners will be forced to raise property taxes and cut budgets to schools, senior citizens services, public safety employees (fire, ambulance and LE) and each county employee might feel salary cuts. County roads will suffer and the potholes might stay bigger and deeper for much longer than allowed in years past. Plows will clear roads only after 6-12 inches of snow and as a result more accidents may occur increasing insurance premiums for residents.

It is far reaching and impacting the poor who need it the worst. This crime goes far beyond the Wagoners pulling the triggers at least 32 times.
 
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IQuestion said:
On the topic of appearance, JW is lanky, not emaciated. IMO His trophy wall tells me he is capable of waiting patiently and pulling a trigger. (Just guessing from seeing all the deer heads hanging on the walls of his residence.) Per Judge's inquiries, "Are you satisfied with the
work they are doing?" etc & "Any other problems that you need to bring to the court's attention?" etc. & "If you want to, you can tell, whisper in your attorney's ear and they can tell me." (What other problems? Lumpy mattress? Loud music? Poor video selection? Talkative cell mate? I was caught off guard with the "folksiness" of his queries. )
Is it just me, or does the judge seem over accommodating to this defendant? Were the questions for the benefit of a particular "home viewer"? I guess I'll have to wait and see if he asks the other defendants the same questions.
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Just mentioning this; and I have no idea if this would be the case here but when you mentioned all the deer heads hanging on the wall, and patience I thought about deer farms.

In Ohio and Indiana, deer farms are legal. People raise deer for the purpose of charging hunters to “hunt” deer that are in fenced enclosures. No patience required, hunters can just choose the deer they want for a trophy and shoot them right inside the enclosure. Like fish in a barrel.

Some people here who have large amounts of deer heads on the wall have obtained them this way.
 
RAISINISBACK said:
I also think those open windows will come up at trial unless there is a logical explanation for them such as it was a mild night or the victims were in the habit of opening windows to let out smoke/odors or sleeping with open windows.

I do think Jake could have fit through one of them, but I do not think the windows are how the W's gained entrance to the trailers. The open windows may have been an effort to stage the scene, but I honestly don't know if they mean anything at all.

Jake's appearance seems to have improved while he has been in jail. This could be due to him being relieved it is all over, no more running looking over your shoulder. No more waiting for the other shoe to drop. Now he knows exactly what he is up against.

It could also be due to no drugs in jail. If he had a drug habit that caused him to be thin and pasty then being in jail would improve his looks.

IMO it is the drugs angle. I have thought many times he looked like he might be taking meth or some other drug. If so then that is why his appearance has improved in jail.

JMO
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Looking at historical weather records from weather underground, it looks like 4/21/2016 had a near 80 degree day in the area and high 50s to 60 into the morning of 4/22. I could definitely see windows open to let in cool air while they were sleeping as I probably would do the same.
 
MittenScarpetta said:
It will be very interesting to learn (when the time comes) if there was a window left open in either or both Dana’s room and/or Hanna May’s room. I’ve personally thought the windows were open for either one or both of the following reasons : to confuse time of death by making the body cool faster (since it was in the low 50’s that morning) OR the windows were the exits for the accused Wagner’s.
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I've always thought it was to make the time of death look earlier than it was.
 
Good morning Charlie49, I never realized how much "public reading of charges" a judge had to do. Not only multiple charges, but he has had to read them to 6 defendants, individually. The judge is easy to understand and instantly attracts ones attention, ala Robert Duvall, subtle, but you can't take your eyes off of him, either. (Were it my choice, I would have handed stapled packets to the defense attorneys and told them to read it to their clients!)
My other observation/question is in regards to the "roles" of the attorney(s). Is it normal for the prosecutor/defense to tell the cameramen where to turn their cameras? Who not to focus on, and for what length of time? Do they regularly glad hand opposing counsel? Laugh in front of grieving family? Not to sound too critical, but "court room social director" and "event planner" came to my mind. (The issue for me is "command of a court room" vs "micro controlling") Maybe it is just nerves at play? However, since this is all being televised, do you feel there should be a more solemn decorum presented to the public....this is the first time many will be viewing these high profile court proceedings. As you noted, this is the most involved and expensive case in Ohio history....affecting residents for decades. Won't First Amendment rights protect cameras, photos, press interviews?
(Interestingly, the same Judge swore Reader into office....it really is a small county.)
 
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IQuestion said:
Good morning Charlie49, I never realized how much "public reading of charges" a judge had to do. Not only multiple charges, but he has had to read them to 6 defendants, individually. The judge is easy to understand and instantly attracts ones attention, ala Robert Duvall, subtle, but you can't take your eyes off of him, either. (Were it my choice, I would have handed stapled packets to the defense attorneys and told them to read it to their clients!)
My other observation/question is in regards to the "roles" of the attorney(s). Is it normal for the prosecutor/defense to tell the cameramen where to turn their cameras? Who not to focus on, and for what length of time? Do they regularly glad hand opposing counsel? Laugh in front of grieving family? Not to sound too critical, but "court room social director" and "event planner" came to my mind. (The issue for me is "command of a court room" vs "micro controlling") Maybe it is just nerves at play? However, since this is all being televised, do you feel there should be a more solemn decorum presented to the public....this is the first time many will be viewing these high profile court proceedings. As you noted, this is the most involved and expensive case in Ohio history....affecting residents for decades. Won't First Amendment rights protect cameras, photos, press interviews?
(Interestingly, the same Judge swore Reader into office....it really is a small county.)
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I’m pretty certain these cameramen were local amateurs. My gues is they had sole control and it was very unprofessional to leave those mics hot and gossip. And in a small atmosphere they probably have no supervision so they try to make everyone happy.

I expect that to change when national media comes in. Although the Judge May allow only a single feed, I hope camera and audio are better than it was during Jakes pretrial hearing.


I wondered myself about the reading of the charges/indictments was regulatory or statutory. It could be the Judge is being very cautious not to do anything himself that could be taken up on appeal. I think it’s very good.

Hopefully the trial courtroom will be larger and have more room for everything including a section or separate media room. I think they’re going to need it.

I also believe each member of the legal teams will be dressed in their best for national exposure. And I sincerely hope the media will make the choice to be in their best behavior and choose kindness and respect for every family member.

As far as motions, the written subject matter has to relate to the motion title. I have found especially in motion referenced cases with the document and all attachments, if any, provide insight and reasons for the motion not necessarily specific in the document.

And I’m an avid reader.

Thanks for asking.
 
Trudie said:
I mean even more hours than the ME thinks, it’s often difficult for them to give an accurate time of death.
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The heat being on would have something to do with rate of decomposition. Maybe it was up higher at CR's place? Do you all think they split up to do the killings or moved as one unit from place to place?
 
Puzzles8 said:
I've often wondered how they avoided waking/being identified by the 3 yr old in FR & HHG's home. What are your thoughts?
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If he could identify them I honestly believe they would have killed him. I am glad he is safe and unharmed, physically. What he saw when he woke up will stay with him for the rest of his life.
 
Myland said:
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MYLAND Thank you for posting the information!!! I had one of those moments where I not only realized the shock of the first responders....racing from one victim to another, one crime call to another hoping that somehow they could save one, just one. It does go beyond those at the scene, too. Beyond the initial horror, the people who had to process the bodies of the victims have been traumatized as well. One hundred and twenty-one autopsy photos of poor Dana Rhoden, alone. (Oh this is so hard to imagine.) Photos don't just stay on paper and computer screens...they burn a lasting impression on our souls and psyche. Something AW has already figured out, the jurors
will never forget what they see. (I can't look at them...I am too empathic. I wouldn't even have time to cringe, I would just faint.)
Let's see if I can rearrange the information in a contemporaneous format. I think it will give us more "aha" moments of how the investigation progressed.
 
Doop Oops! You can correct anything I missed, space and add subtext, comments, questions, recall certain events, sale of residence, move to Alaska etc.
I was just trying to see when the case really heated up. This timeline helps.
Coincidentally Jake, when someone calls you in for a police interview on Friday the 13th, it usually turns out badly.

o5/13/2016 Video of interview Jake Wagner
09/09/2016 Audio of interview George WagnerIII
10/05/2016 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
04/13/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/03/2017 Audio of interview Jake and Angela Jo Wagner
05/08/2017 Audio of interview George WagnerIII
05/13/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/16/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/17/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/21/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/21/2017 Audio of interview George Wagner IV
05/21/2017 Audio of interview George Wagner III
05/21/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/21/2017 Video of interview (partial) Angela Jo Wagner
(Hmmm, did someone say, stop the cameras, I want my attorney?)
 
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