OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

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I agree to a point, but someone has to back up the claim of custody battle. Also the defense may call someone to try to disprove the custody battle issue. Jmo

Right. And we know the state has the forged custody docs’ to present if there’s ever trial/s.

Maybe by the end of 2019 we’ll have an idea as to where things are going, as far as trials/deals.
 
Being a witness is one thing, being a credible witness is another one.

IMO, the DA will be rather busy “reminding” witnesses of their previous statement.

Should there be trials, I see the return of the “sidebar” candy bar, for sure.

I hope plea bargains can be worked out, for LWOP. In DP cases, there’s never assurance the defendant will actually get the DP. Most don’t. They wind up with LWOP.

This article reinforces why I think deals will be made. It’s the job of a DP attorney!!!

Judy Malinowski case: Judge suggests parties consider plea deal in death-penalty trial
 
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If you look at the court records for George his ex wife has filed for custody of little B since he has been in jail. In response George has asked for a mental evaluation to be done on her. So apparently even if he is in jail he does not want his ex wife to have custody of his son. Or he thinks she is not competent to have custody.

JMO


Or it’s just a continuum of the tenure of the original custody issue. Right at the moment he is feeling anxious about the murder trial. He can’t do a darn thing to resolve his criminal charges except to wait for trial.

He can however act to prevent his ex from custody. And again he is very aware of the buttons to push to upset her. Often it’s the very characteristics he fell madly in love with in the beginning.
 
While expensive to do so, I hope everyone of the accused goes to trial. Their actions, if guilty, caused so much agonizing death and destruction they deserve the punishment decided by a Judge, jury and the State of Ohio. Period no exceptions or compassion.

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. I much prefer to see them in front of the Judge stating “GUILTY”. A word we will never hear from them IF they opt for trial.
After watching a YouTube video or other forums & seeing comments made about parties to the case, I see nothing beneficial from a trial. The outcome is essentially the same. The DP is not much dif’ than LWOP other than safer living conditions, in prison. Gotta be protected on DR, kept alive for your next appeal.
Here, the Judge has the ultimate say. Not the jury/state.
 
It takes so much money to run a tractor trailer over the road. Many privately owned rigs set idle, these days. I’d like to know if they were in the black. I have my doubts.

No owner/operator trucks are sitting in western Ohio. I know a few of them. My SIL's brother was an owner/operator until in his 80s and finally had to retire after a heart attack few years back. One guy just bought two more trucks and is advertising for drivers. A lot of commercial trucking companies have tractors sitting idle for lack of drivers. One of the biggest problem from what I've been told is finding drivers that can pass a drug test.
 
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Are you saying she would not be truthful? Why would she not be truthful?
She is a victim in this. She lost her father and part of her family. Sometimes people say "I was going to be there" as a form of survivors guilt. Is it the truth? It's ok to feel this way when you experience a trauma.

I see it that way now.

Dudly, are you a good reader? I made note of everything she said in MSM over the last two years. You listen to her, she was the last to see a victim, her alibi is sketchy, she questions the evidence warehouse, she is privy of the investigation, she was the "godmother" of the child almost like a motive. She dreams she was there observing the killers.

It's survivors guilt. If it's not, then it raises a lot of questions. But the investigation is complete. I understand all questions are answered. Suspects were arrested.

I can only conclude most of it was survivors guilt. That's ok. Is she going to make a great witness with her toothache story? Idk
 
If you look at the court records for George his ex wife has filed for custody of little B since he has been in jail. In response George has asked for a mental evaluation to be done on her. So apparently even if he is in jail he does not want his ex wife to have custody of his son. Or he thinks she is not competent to have custody.

JMO

Or, he still thinks he is entitled to have his child and/or possibly thinks he will beat this charge.
 
No owner/operator trucks are sitting in western Ohio. I know a few of them. My SIL's brother was an owner/operator until in his 80s and finally had to retire after a heart attack few years back. One guy just bought two more trucks and is advertising for drivers. A lot of commercial trucking companies have tractors sitting idle for lack of drivers. One of the biggest problem from what I've been told is finding drivers that can pass a drug test.

Lol. Privately owned rigs don’t have to meet the same criteria.
 
Or, he still thinks he is entitled to have his child and/or possibly thinks he will beat this charge.

Innocent until proven guilty, huh? He is the father.
Like he needed more papers served. Lmbo
 
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. I much prefer to see them in front of the Judge stating “GUILTY”. A word we will never hear from them IF they opt for trial.
After watching a YouTube video or other forums & seeing comments made about parties to the case, I see nothing beneficial from a trial. The outcome is essentially the same. The DP is not much dif’ than LWOP other than safer living conditions, in prison. Gotta be protected on DR, kept alive for your next appeal.
Here, the Judge has the ultimate say. Not the jury/state.

You are correct. Some states, and I’ll have to look at Ohio, have separate sentencing juries. And yes a Judge can risk a public backlash for overriding a juried decision.

In this egregious crime against 8, it is my opinion that the greater respect and responsibility for the crime and the public right to see justice might come close to being equal to the Rhoden families rights and opinions.

For example;

If allowed to make a deal, will the public perception be that the Waggies money and influence have had any impact;

It might be the case that any supporters who might be an issue need to publicly see the evidence submitted during trial to calm some of the emotional Waggie supporters,


The public process and policy of innocent until proven guilty is a good process. As gruesome as all of it might be, the public has a right to know the investigation was properly conducted, that no one manufactured evidence and every right was followed throughout the investigation, arrest and afterwards,

In light of the recent anonymous rumors/fact, I believe it important for the residents of Pike County to believe in the integrity of LE and their court system.

I strongly believe those accusations are related to the Waggies and if properly investigated, the person behind them should be identified. And I really believe there will be more deceptive activity if the locals think the Waggies were afforded any advantage whatsoever.

A trial, while stressful and most difficult will be factual, not always 100% accurate but it does officially provide families and the public of what happened to Rhodens and most likely the motive, the rumor Mills’s get the wind taken out of their sails,

It might also put to rest any fear locals have(that have been published in the local news) that no one in the area might do more harm. Although DEWine said they got them all, people need evidence that in fact they did arrest them all.

In conclusion it might be good public policy for all those questions, concerns and fears to be answered in a courtroom, covered by media in an open public process.
 
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IMO, the DA will be rather busy “reminding” witnesses of their previous statement.

Should there be trials, I see the return of the “sidebar” candy bar, for sure.

I hope plea bargains can be worked out, for LWOP. In DP cases, there’s never assurance the defendant will actually get the DP. Most don’t. They wind up with LWOP.

This article reinforces why I think deals will be made. It’s the job of a DP attorney!!!

Judy Malinowski case: Judge suggests parties consider plea deal in death-penalty trial


IIRC one of AWs motions asks that all side bars be transcribed and preserved.
 
I restated so as to imply inside or out.

Where else would cameras be useful? Surely not somewhere on the side of the roads.

Am I breaking some rule I've forgotten about?

Apparently LE believes JW purchased one and later destroyed it. Very early, LE said they had video, then they asked for more at that time, and said they received that also.

JW probably knew the dogs best, he also lived on a farm where there are plenty of breeding dogs. One female dog in heat can distract a whole pack of males.

I think that maybe they forgot a camera that was hidden on the R property. I agree on the dogs. If you're a dog person you can usually get to know one and get around them, especially if the owners are at home. I think JW had been dropping round and stayed somewhat friendly with everyone.

"Whoever done it had to know the freaking dogs," Manley said.

He also said at least two of the properties were the crimes were committed were equipped with surveillance cameras, but investigators haven't said if they found anything on the footage.

"Chris had one even in a bird house, one of those shell cameras. We ain't heard on none of that either. Kenneth had cameras all over that place where he lived," Manley said.

Rhoden family members release video plea for information about killings

Also,

"We reached out to people initially that we thought might have video," DeWine said during a media session in his Cincinnati office. "We were able to obtain some video."

Family: Rhoden property had video cameras
 
I understand where you’re coming from Charlie.

Some may opt for trial. I don’t believe 4 will, not as charges stand. Too risky for them. MOST, not ALL, facing DP accept a plea. From what I’ve read thru the years, many do so only with hope of exoneration, down the road.

Ultimately, the DA & defense want resolution, the faster, the better. Really, they are one team. Both representing the state. Right now, it’s too early in the game for the defense to approach their respective client with deals.
The W’s need to see the evidence against them. Then, I expect a couple will have an “OH OH” moment. Like CW, recently. Had he went to trial, I think we all agree the verdict would have been guilty. He then goes off to begin his new life maintaining his innocence. Something he can never do, now.

IMO, a Judge considers the mitigating factors more intensely than a jury.
 
She is a victim in this. She lost her father and part of her family. Sometimes people say "I was going to be there" as a form of survivors guilt. Is it the truth? It's ok to feel this way when you experience a trauma.

I see it that way now.

Dudly, are you a good reader? I made note of everything she said in MSM over the last two years. You listen to her, she was the last to see a victim, her alibi is sketchy, she questions the evidence warehouse, she is privy of the investigation, she was the "godmother" of the child almost like a motive. She dreams she was there observing the killers.

It's survivors guilt. If it's not, then it raises a lot of questions. But the investigation is complete. I understand all questions are answered. Suspects were arrested.

I can only conclude most of it was survivors guilt. That's ok. Is she going to make a great witness with her toothache story? Idk

Yes, I am a good reader. If you read through the threads you will know what I, and everyone else posting years ago, thought about all of that...
 
I think that maybe they forgot a camera that was hidden on the R property. I agree on the dogs. If you're a dog person you can usually get to know one and get around them, especially if the owners are at home. I think JW had been dropping round and stayed somewhat friendly with everyone.



Rhoden family members release video plea for information about killings

Also,



Family: Rhoden property had video cameras

Just too, too much to remember!
I wouldn’t expect any of the W’s to be privy to the location of every camera, would you?
My friends know I have cameras, but there’s no reason for me to share there locations.
 
I think that maybe they forgot a camera that was hidden on the R property. I agree on the dogs. If you're a dog person you can usually get to know one and get around them, especially if the owners are at home. I think JW had been dropping round and stayed somewhat friendly with everyone.



Rhoden family members release video plea for information about killings

Also,



Family: Rhoden property had video cameras

Was there not mention of a camera in a birdhouse at one of the R's properties that wasn't taken that night? From what I remember it was said there wasn't anything good enough to use. But, knowing what LE knows now, maybe something on it helped.
 
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