OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

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Thanks so much sillybilly. Strick adherence to facts is what has made WS superior to other forums. Rumors have no place here (imo) and speculation should be clearly stated as speculation.
 
That’s why I think they may have been on foot when going to KR camper. Or at least parked a distance away and walked.

The red herring for me was 4 locations but only 3 locations had grow ops. Why not the other? Well that’s where the babies and children live so they don’t lose custody. That was a clue from the very beginning IMO
I’m not sure if anyone clarified yet as I haven’t read all the posts, but if not there were THREE grow ops in TWO locations -one at Kenny’s and two at Chris’. Hope that helps.

I agree that they probably didn’t drive into Kenny’s driveway. From what I’ve heard and seen, LFR is desolate. Perhaps they parked on the side of the road. In the dark of the hills, on a quiet, not highly traveled road like LFR, the chances of them being seen seem to pretty low.
 
Rhoden family massacre: Arrests throw child custody issue back to Ohio courts
Pike County massacre: Who will get custody of 5-year-old?

Jake Wagner balked at that: “No, I did not go to Hanna’s home three weeks prior to April 22 and kick in the door demanding she sign over custody of Sophia,’’ he wrote in that June 2017 email. “I did not want that. I wanted to continue what we were doing. It was working just fine.”


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It is curious that Jake would mention that some relatives said he went to Hanna's and kicked her door down three weeks prior to the murders. Three weeks prior is about the time Rita forged the custody document. IMO he went to Hanna's with that forged custody document and tried to fool her into giving him SW.

JMO
Maybe he pushed it open with his foot?
 
As Dudly or someone else mentioned previously, AW and GW3 both had serious criminal records. Given S would have been living in their home and cared for them while JW was working, it would have counted against them. If the W's thought gaining custody of S was going to be easy, they wouldn't have resorted to murder. JMO

A lot of people with criminal records are parenting kids. Even a DUI is “criminal”. IMO
G4 was allowed to have his child around AW/G3???

Hypothetically, if JW had S in his possession for visitation & simply did not return her, what might have happened? If LE dropped by to find out what the deal was & JW reveals the bed bugs, lack of space, etc., would LE returned S or would they ordered an investigation, or what? (Prior to the new trailer home)

Children are brought to prisons all the time to visit an incarcerated parent. I know of no law that can deny custody based on the past criminal record of an occupant in the home. Unless record pertains to child abuse & the person is not to around minor children.

As far as I know, AW was allowed to be with S during visitations & JW ultimately got custody of S, with AW in the picture. So, essentially, he did get custody. Smh evidently AWs background mattered none.
 
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See my links a few posts up. This company didn't store the trailers. Hadsell Chemical stored them until they were moved to the county impound lot. Perhaps they did some other contracting work, but we'll need a link to verify that.

Here is one. I will look for the one I was thinking of this afternoon.
"ALH Contracting received contracts for the Rhoden murder scene without going to bid."

Pike County sheriff's race among dirtiest in Ohio
 
The conspiracy was to kill each one of these people. They have to prove that each Wag took an action in furtherance of the conspiracy. If they were in on the planning and they made the silencer, they didn't need to be there. They furthered the acoomplishment of the conspiracy.
From the indictments, we know JW purchased some type of recording device in March 2016. He secured his spot in the conspiracy charges with that purchase. I would imagine Detectives have similar instances with each defendant, ie who purchased the shoes, who counter surveiled etc. JMO.
 
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Thank you MYLAND for the link... standard requests for a public entity malfeasance investigation. I didn't find any of it particularly shocking.
The anonymous complaint "coincidentally filed in November, 2018." What are the chances of this coming up a fortnight from the arrest of the most sought after perpetrators in Ohio history? It is the kind of distraction I would expect from a really angry woman. Other origins of the complaint could be from: the odd-man-out in a love triangle? the disgruntled old bookkeeper who got replaced by a shapely & younger female who flirts with the boss? or maybe accusations from a tough old bird who is really, really angry at being arrested and having charges read on national television?
I take no offense to disagreement on my position. Although irritating, embarrassing, untimely (or timely in the eyes of the anonymous complainant) and a distraction. I always say, "Steal my money, but don't take my life." Misuse of tax dollars.... a daily occurrence in every county in the United States, IMO (whether double billing for expenses, padding budgets, walking out the door with pens, or printing the Little League Roster on the tax payer's dime.)
Perhaps the only defense strategy forming is, "look anywhere else, but not at our client"..... The ABC Defense: Anybody But our Client?
Jmo I don’t think the big issue is the using one fund for the other. The big issue is taking confiscated funds and using impounded vehicles. Jmo
 
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A lot of people with criminal records are parenting kids. Even a DUI is “criminal”. IMO
G4 was allowed to have his child around AW/G3???

Hypothetically, if JW had S in his possession for visitation & simply did not return her, what might have happened? If LE dropped by to find out what the deal was & JW reveals the bed bugs, lack of space, etc., would LE returned S or would they ordered an investigation, or what? (Prior to the new trailer home)
IF there were bed bugs, chances are the Wagners had them too. Considering S went back and forth between their residence and all the crime scene locations on UHR, the chances of bed bugs not migrating with her belongings is slim to none.

I’m not with the majority when it comes to the bed bug talk. I firmly believe all of the homes were treated for bed bugs because of being put into storage, which is a breeding ground for all insects. IMO, the bed bug treatment listed by LE was a preventative since all of the deceased possessions were inside those homes and would be stored.
 
I’m not sure if anyone clarified yet as I haven’t read all the posts, but if not there were THREE grow ops in TWO locations -one at Kenny’s and two at Chris’. Hope that helps.

I agree that they probably didn’t drive into Kenny’s driveway. From what I’ve heard and seen, LFR is desolate. Perhaps they parked on the side of the road. In the dark of the hills, on a quiet, not highly traveled road like LFR, the chances of them being seen seem to pretty low.

Very possible. It would explain the comments from Reader and others that the killers knew the properties of the victims, were familiar with how to get around. Sounds like they have evidence that the killers accessed properties from nearby woods or hid in outbuildings, etc. We will find out in the trials.
 
I’m not sure if anyone clarified yet as I haven’t read all the posts, but if not there were THREE grow ops in TWO locations -one at Kenny’s and two at Chris’. Hope that helps.

I agree that they probably didn’t drive into Kenny’s driveway. From what I’ve heard and seen, LFR is desolate. Perhaps they parked on the side of the road. In the dark of the hills, on a quiet, not highly traveled road like LFR, the chances of them being seen seem to pretty low.
Jmo i don’t think they drove into the driveway either.
 
Agree, but I take it in the context of the murders. The many statements by the Wagners carry no weight for me, given they murdered Hanna and 7 members of her family and continue to lie about the crimes. Anything they deny, I automatically assume to be true. JMO.
As Dudly or someone else mentioned previously, AW and GW3 both had serious criminal records. Given S would have been living in their home and cared for them while JW was working, it would have counted against them. If the W's thought gaining custody of S was going to be easy, they wouldn't have resorted to murder. JMO
BettyP BINGO!!
 
IF there were bed bugs, chances are the Wagners had them too. Considering S went back and forth between their residence and all the crime scene locations on UHR, the chances of bed bugs not migrating with her belongings is slim to none.

I’m not with the majority when it comes to the bed bug talk. I firmly believe all of the homes were treated for bed bugs because of being put into storage, which is a breeding ground for all insects. IMO, the bed bug treatment listed by LE was a preventative since all of the deceased possessions were inside those homes and would be stored.

Considering the "epidemic" of bedbugs recently in the news, if bedbugs was a issue in custody half the kids in the USA would be in foster care. I don't think bedbugs pose as much of a threat to health as mosquitoes do and everyone has mosquitoes. I don't see it as a custody issue.

JMO
 
Here is one. I will look for the one I was thinking of this afternoon.
"ALH Contracting received contracts for the Rhoden murder scene without going to bid."

Pike County sheriff's race among dirtiest in Ohio

From your link:

ALH did receive a $20,200 contract for "securing property" and a $40,000 contract to "preserve evidence" - a combined $60,200. While the commissioners can forgo competitive bid for work up to $100,000 due to an emergency, they have to unanimously agree and note the reason in meeting minutes. While minutes reflect Charles Reader met with commissioners in executive session on May 12 - the day the trailers were towed - there is nothing about forgoing the bid process and no minutes at present show the commissioners approved any contracts from the Rhoden case. A public records request for the contracts was made to the Pike County Sheriff's Office on Oct. 12, but has not been fulfilled.

Sounds like they provided some services to secure the properties and preserve the evidence, most likely before the homes were shipped to Hadsell Chemical. Any evidence taken from the crime scene is stored by Pike County in their evidence storage facilities.

I'm not seeing this as a big deal yet, especially considering it was brought up and investigated a couple of years ago. Not seeing anything here that indicates a problem with the case against the Wagners. DeWine and BCI wouldn't allow that to happen, not with so many careers riding on the outcome.

JMO, it sounds like someone wants to poison public opinion about the Rhoden murder case and protect the Wagners.
 
From your link:



Sounds like they provided some services to secure the properties and preserve the evidence, most likely before the homes were shipped to Hadsell Chemical. Any evidence taken from the crime scene is stored by Pike County in their evidence storage facilities.

I'm not seeing this as a big deal yet, especially considering it was brought up and investigated a couple of years ago. Not seeing anything here that indicates a problem with the case against the Wagners. DeWine and BCI wouldn't allow that to happen, not with so many careers riding on the outcome.

JMO, it sounds like someone wants to poison public opinion about the Rhoden murder case and protect the Wagners.
Jmo I can see why people who don’t live in the area might think W are behind this, but I do not think W are behind this at all. Jmo
 
From the indictments, we know JW purchased some type of recording device in March 2016. He secured his spot in the conspiracy charges with that purchase. I would imagine Detectives have similar instances with each defendant, ie who purchased the shoes, who counter surveiled etc. JMO.

I’d love to know more about the shoes. Were they purchased online? In store? Did anyone try them on or did they buy a size dif’ from true size, etc.
 
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