OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[Betty P]

yes .

Yes, I remember when that happened. IIRC, Chris Graves made the correction to her article around the time the Wagners moved to AK.

It went from "we just missed the killers only by a few hours" to (paraphrasing) "HMR dropped her off a few days before". Probably had a lot to do with LE recording Chris Graves' conversations with the Wagners - to see if they could catch them AW or JW in more lies.

 

[Betty P]

The original attached. All in the green box was updated.

What does everyone else think? JMO, Jake took Sophia with him just before the killings. One of the few people still alive who might know is Kendra Rhoden. If so, assume she's never spoken about it under instructions from LE.

What do you think?

 

[rsd1200]

DR and kids never lived on LFR. She lived in yellow house on UHR after Clarence passed. After she left the yellow
house, KR moved in the yellow house. HHG and FR lived with CRsr until the mobile home next to CRsr was empty.
I can't recall CRob ever living on UHR. After C and Geneva divorced, Geneva lived in a small trailer near CRsr's
trailer until she was able to get into senior housing in Portsmouth.

Thank you! I only had her on UHR, but was missing a year or two here and there so didn't want to say, I was 100%. From the way the interviews read, to me, I didn't get the feeling that CRob stayed there. They were so young when B was born. Edit: I did think that HHG may have gone back to her family now and then b/c of the driving situation, and maybe needing help with the baby.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Didn’t kendra go fishing with Hannah a few hours before she was killed?

Source?

 

[Tiff23fr]

What does everyone else think? JMO, Jake took Sophia with him just before the killings. One of the few people still alive who might know is Kendra Rhoden. If so, assume she's never spoken about it under instructions from LE.

What do you think?

Honest opinion?
I do feel she was aware earlier in the day S wouldn't be there since she didn't include her name in the plans. I feel given the full context of the original article she would have talked to HR after 11PM to know that S was sent off at 10:30 and Chris Jr was home when DR got home at apx 11:00.

I have opinions that don't align with the relationship level she described but they are based on my view which at the end of the day means nothing. In my opinion, someone like a sister staying many nights a week would be in at least some of my own social media pictures in the last year + of my life. Maybe she was, and as an outsider I don't see that.

Some statements just don't fit on the surface. Saying nothing was amiss in the days leading up really seems off given what we have heard from other family in the media. I don't think Kendra nesessarily did any thing wrong. I just feel something has been fluffed or isn't completely accurate. Maybe it's the reason you provided, We just have to wait and see.

We do know her phone was cyber downloaded again by BCI 11/13/17, per Angela's discovery, but I'm not ready to jump to a consclusion around 1)W's were threatening her or 2) she was casually communicating with them or others since the original download in ways that raised question.

There is too much unknown, from my distant filter, for a solid opinion.
I mean no disrespect in this, and attempted to be sensitive in my explanation.

 

[rsd1200]

Sorry if duplication, no time to back read right now,

Court sets schedules for Wagners in Rhoden family massacre in Pike County

Meeting the September deadline means defense teams need to get through a terabyte of data

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Just to put that into perspective from a geek's standpoint;

"Considering that one terabyte is generally estimated to contain 75 million pages, a one-terabyte case could amount to 18,750,000 documents, assuming an average of four pages per document. Further assuming that a lawyer or paralegal can review 50 documents per hour (a very fast review rate), it would take 375,000 hours to complete the review. In other words, it would take more than 185 reviewers working 2,000 hours each per year to complete the review within a year. Assuming each reviewer is paid $50 per hour (a bargain), the cost could be more than $18,750,000.”

https://ediscovery.co/ediscoverydai...n-the-amount-of-data-contained-in-1-gigabyte/

 

[Betty P]

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Just to put that into perspective from a geek's standpoint;



https://ediscovery.co/ediscoverydai...n-the-amount-of-data-contained-in-1-gigabyte/

Yikes, that's a lot. Maybe not too bad if much of it is photos, graphics, video or audio recording. Just a hunch, but I'm guessing a lot of it is data: emails, texts, voice mails, etc. There were literally thousands of those mentioned in the discovery docs. AC said the other day it took her all day to sort through some to put a file together for one defendant: JW or GW3, IIRC. So it's more than transcribing and compiling files, they have to sort through and determine which email/voice mail, etc. goes to which defendant's attorneys. Wow.

 

[Betty P]

Honest opinion?
I do feel she was aware earlier in the day S wouldn't be there since she didn't include her name in the plans. I feel given the full context of the original article she would have talked to HR after 11PM to know that S was sent off at 10:30 and Chris Jr was home when DR got home at apx 11:00.

I have opinions that don't align with the relationship level she described but they are based on my view which at the end of the day means nothing. In my opinion, someone like a sister staying many nights a week would be in at least some of my own social media pictures in the last year + of my life. Maybe she was, and as an outsider I don't see that.

Some statements just don't fit on the surface. Saying nothing was amiss in the days leading up really seems off given what we have heard from other family in the media. I don't think Kendra nesessarily did any thing wrong. I just feel something has been fluffed or isn't completely accurate. Maybe it's the reason you provided, We just have to wait and see.

We do know her phone was cyber downloaded again by BCI 11/13/17, per Angela's discovery, but I'm not ready to jump to a consclusion around 1)W's were threatening her or 2) she was casually communicating with them or others since the original download in ways that raised question.

There is too much unknown, from my distant filter, for a solid opinion.
I mean no disrespect in this, and attempted to be sensitive in my explanation.

I get what you're saying. There are still a lot of unanswered questions.

I'm of the opinion that JW picked up S that night or evening, hours before the murders. It gave him one more chance to establish an alibi if they found his DNA or fingerprints. It also gave him a chance to see who was there and whether or what time Dana would be home.

Later, when AW or JW realized all the people who knew he was there earlier the night of April 22to pick up S were dead, they decided to shift Sophia's pickup time to a couple days earlier, just to keep some separation of JW from the crime scene. Why else would JW have said he was there a few hours before the murders, if it weren't true?

 

[Tiff23fr]

I get what you're saying. There are still a lot of unanswered questions.

I'm of the opinion that JW picked up S that night or evening, hours before the murders. It gave him one more chance to establish an alibi if they found his DNA or fingerprints. It also gave him a chance to see who was there and whether or what time Dana would be home.

Later, when AW or JW realized all the people who knew he was there earlier the night of April 22to pick up S were dead, they decided to shift Sophia's pickup time to a couple days earlier, just to keep some separation of JW from the crime scene. Why else would JW have said he was there a few hours before the murders, if it weren't true?

If they were monitoring and surveiling phone calls and all, why would Jake need to be there to know what was going on?
Wouldn't HR's boyfriend have also known where S was? I don't know that we can group "all" into a bucket among the deceased.

Edit: wouldn't anyone that visited HR in the hospital also have known if S was already with Jake?

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Honest opinion?
I do feel she was aware earlier in the day S wouldn't be there since she didn't include her name in the plans. I feel given the full context of the original article she would have talked to HR after 11PM to know that S was sent off at 10:30 and Chris Jr was home when DR got home at apx 11:00.

I have opinions that don't align with the relationship level she described but they are based on my view which at the end of the day means nothing. In my opinion, someone like a sister staying many nights a week would be in at least some of my own social media pictures in the last year + of my life. Maybe she was, and as an outsider I don't see that.

Some statements just don't fit on the surface. Saying nothing was amiss in the days leading up really seems off given what we have heard from other family in the media. I don't think Kendra nesessarily did any thing wrong. I just feel something has been fluffed or isn't completely accurate. Maybe it's the reason you provided, We just have to wait and see.

We do know her phone was cyber downloaded again by BCI 11/13/17, per Angela's discovery, but I'm not ready to jump to a consclusion around 1)W's were threatening her or 2) she was casually communicating with them or others since the original download in ways that raised question.

There is too much unknown, from my distant filter, for a solid opinion.
I mean no disrespect in this, and attempted to be sensitive in my explanation.

I've had the same questions for a long time: the relationships, the father, brownie the dog, the insights in the case, the evidence warehouse, the godmother, the story of the last day... But today I look at this with a larger perspective and more caution.

When dramas happen, "I was going to be there" is something you hear a lot. Where is the truth? It's hard to tell. She is a young person unprepared for so much media exposure. She lost so much, she'd like to have answers for everything.

The object of todays' discussion is one of the most interesting mystery of this case. I look forward to see it solved in the trials.

 

[almond]

Honest opinion?
I do feel she was aware earlier in the day S wouldn't be there since she didn't include her name in the plans. I feel given the full context of the original article she would have talked to HR after 11PM to know that S was sent off at 10:30 and Chris Jr was home when DR got home at apx 11:00.

I have opinions that don't align with the relationship level she described but they are based on my view which at the end of the day means nothing. In my opinion, someone like a sister staying many nights a week would be in at least some of my own social media pictures in the last year + of my life. Maybe she was, and as an outsider I don't see that.

Some statements just don't fit on the surface. Saying nothing was amiss in the days leading up really seems off given what we have heard from other family in the media. I don't think Kendra nesessarily did any thing wrong. I just feel something has been fluffed or isn't completely accurate. Maybe it's the reason you provided, We just have to wait and see.

We do know her phone was cyber downloaded again by BCI 11/13/17, per Angela's discovery, but I'm not ready to jump to a consclusion around 1)W's were threatening her or 2) she was casually communicating with them or others since the original download in ways that raised question.

There is too much unknown, from my distant filter, for a solid opinion.
I mean no disrespect in this, and attempted to be sensitive in my explanation.

I'm curious about the last minute babysitting job. JMO I don't recall it ever being mentioned who she got that call from. All just my own thoughts! I believe Jake took S that night, Imo, and I don't know if it was expected that he would.

Edit by me:
It says, in the linked article, that Kenny's door was the only on left open. I can't tell if that means, pre murders or after.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/7b044096-3b56-48f5-8eea-3e37c4326351-jpeg.178197/

 

[Tiff23fr]

I think they could have, and did, tamper with stuff, etc. to hinder the investigation. We are talking Apr 15 (Angela's version) to the 21. That's give or take 7 days of having possession of a child.

It's also during a time when the child's mother would have received more than average attention due to giving birth. All kinds of people in her business.

It seems really hard to alter S's transfer among the two from whatever the reality may have been. JMO

I think it would be the hardest thing to alter.

Updated article:
"Hanna, 19, had packed up her older daughter, Sophia Wagner, and dropped her off at her father's home on Friday April 15."

 

[Caylee Advocate]

What does everyone else think? JMO, Jake took Sophia with him just before the killings. One of the few people still alive who might know is Kendra Rhoden. If so, assume she's never spoken about it under instructions from LE.

What do you think?

This article makes me want to vomit each and every time I read it.

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'


Jake couldn't seem to get his lies straight. He picked little one up on the 4/21/16 date or he wouldn't have said this. He is evil to have said these things


Snipped:

It's unclear if any family members have been able to see either Ruger or Kylie. Wagner knows that Sophia hasn't seen them since April 21.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm curious about the last minute babysitting job. JMO I don't recall it ever being mentioned who she got that call from. All just my own thoughts! I believe Jake took S that night, Imo, and I don't know if it was expected that he would.

Edit by me:
It says, in the linked article, that Kenny's door was the only on left open. I can't tell if that means, pre murders or after.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/7b044096-3b56-48f5-8eea-3e37c4326351-jpeg.178197/

That's cool @almond, an actual newspaper report thankx!

 

[Merrygirl]

I find this comment something to think about.

In those documents and in interviews with The Enquirer, Jake and Angela Wagner said Hanna and Sophia lived with them at their former Peebles farm off and on after Sophia was born. The couple lived with Hanna’s mother when they weren’t living with the Wagners.

Where was DR and family living before they moved to her new home a month prior to the murders? If she was living with FR and family, is JW saying he was staying there, too? That would make FR, HG, DR, HR, JW, CRjr, and three little kids in one mobile home. I'm not saying it is impossible but...

I believe I read on a former social media site about 2 1/2-3 yrs ago that prior to Dana & kids moving to the new home they lived in a trailer near KR and CRsr’s nephew lived with FR & HG. After Dana moved to the new home, the nephew moved to Dana’s old trailer near KR. I believe I may have read that in one of the earlier articles also, IIRC. It may take me a while to find it so for now this is just my theory.

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe I read on a former social media site about 2 1/2-3 yrs ago that prior to Dana & kids moving to the new home they lived in a trailer near KR and CRsr’s nephew lived with FR & HG. After Dana moved to the new home, the nephew moved to Dana’s old trailer near KR. I believe I may have read that in one of the earlier articles also, IIRC. It may take me a while to find it so for now this is just my theory.

Thanks @Merrygirl I get how you can read articles from 3 years ago then have problems finding the articles. I read early articles that were then redacted and certain facts removed, then people think I don't know what I'm talking about....lol.....all good.....

Yes the nephew BR lived with Frankie and Hannah, he was very close to Hannah and felt lost after 2016 April 22nd......I felt so bad for him. It was heart wrenching. Consider my 2 cents Only.....

 

[rsd1200]

Thanks @Merrygirl I get how you can read articles from 3 years ago then have problems finding the articles. I read early articles that were then redacted and certain facts removed, then people think I don't know what I'm talking about....lol.....all good.....

Yes the nephew Brandon lived with Frankie and Hannah, he was very close to Hannah and felt lost after 2016 April 22nd......I felt so bad for him. It was heart wrenching. Consider my 2 cents Only.....

BBM
A lot of video interviews are either gone, or have been edited, too. Some of the articles that had vids in them, no longer have them, or some of the pictures. I lean toward some of it coming up missing, as being a storage issue, fwiw, I've been told that by a person in the news industry. It's frustrating either way.

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM
A lot of video interviews are either gone, or have been edited, too. Some of the articles that had vids in them, no longer have them, or some of the pictures. I lean toward some of it coming up missing, as being a storage issue, fwiw, I've been told that by a person in the news industry. It's frustrating either way.

Thankx for verifying I'm not "crazy" or making things up. There are-- for sure--things redacted from previous articles. Hard to explain thankx again rsd.

 

[Betty P]

Thankx for verifying I'm not "crazy" or making things up. There are-- for sure--things redacted from previous articles. Hard to explain thankx again rsd.

Yes, there are some things missing or changed in certain articles. As RSD says, some of the video and photos may be displaced due to storage issues. We found one case of an interview on You Tube of Leonard Manley's that had been edited. Took a while, but I found the full version in a video file posted to the Facebook page of the news outlet. Thought I was imagining it, but we had a discussion here at the time about what he was saying.

It's nice to think sometime soon many of our oldest and most difficult questions will be answered, puzzles solved.

 

[Merrygirl]

I know we all are hoping for justice to prevail for the Rhoden/Gilley families but I wonder if anyone has given any thought to what the penalty for perjury/obstruction of justice is and how that may impact the rest of the trials, especially since we know Fredericka and Rita’s trials will be over by early August. I looked up the penalty in The Ohio Admin Code and all I could find was it was a 3rd degree felony. I further googled trying to find reputable sources but all I could find was a “general consensus” of 90 days to 1 yr in State courts (up to 5 in Federal). Since all 6 have been in jail since November, it’s possible one of the grannies could walk free after giving credit for time served, assuming there is a conviction. Do you see this as a potential media explosion and attempts to taint the juries since she will no longer be held to a gag order or could the gag order continue after discharged? Need input from members who are more familiar with Ohio law. Just my rambling thoughts only.