OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

[Merrygirl]

Yes, that will be interesting to find out. My opinion is that the business interests were definitely illegal. Dewine had said that family and friends were lying to them and I believe that he was referring to the Rhoden/Manley families. Perhaps someone in the family finally came clean to prevent their own arrest for illegal dealings. Dewine also said that there was an undercurrent in drugs revolving around this case so perhaps it also goes to motive. For me the question is was it just the cannabis or was it narcotics/meth as well. I think we will find out plenty about the illegal dealings of some of the Rhodens during the trials beyond the commercial cannabis grows.

According to some statements made in the press the Rhodens and Wagners were close friends before a falling out. <modsnip - victim bashing>

These are going to be interesting trials for sure and I expect quite an exposure of the underbelly of violence and drugs in the Rhoden's environment.

Yes, that will be interesting to find out. My opinion is that the business interests were definitely illegal. Dewine had said that family and friends were lying to them and I believe that he was referring to the Rhoden/Manley families. Perhaps someone in the family finally came clean to prevent their own arrest for illegal dealings. Dewine also said that there was an undercurrent in drugs revolving around this case so perhaps it also goes to motive. For me the question is was it just the cannabis or was it narcotics/meth as well. I think we will find out plenty about the illegal dealings of some of the Rhodens during the trials beyond the commercial cannabis grows.

According to some statements made in the press the Rhodens and Wagners were close friends before a falling out. <modsnip - victim bashing>

These are going to be interesting trials for sure and I expect quite an exposure of the underbelly of violence and drugs in the Rhoden's environment.

I possibly have a clue as to what the business may have been and I have a link from MSM (WCPO) but it’s on YouTube. Not sure if I should post it. It may imply speaking ill of the dead and I don’t want to be banned from Websleuths. The link specifically gives reference to the R’s murders and shows scenes from what I believe to be CRsr’s and FR’s murder sites.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Explain for us just how exactly this scenario could be remotely plausible? How is LE going to keep this secret from collapsing unto itself. How are they gonna fool forensics? This isnt a conspiracy site.

If LE has the silencer they just take it and drop it down the well. As easy as 1 2 3

 

[Cool Cats]

Which is why she has charges of perjury and obstruction. IIRC, she testified SHE made the purchase on Amazon after the murders. But her receipts show the purchase on eBay and paid through PayPal. Then she said she had the receipts for proof (in July 2018) and offered to submit, AC requested those receipts but Owen didn’t produce until May 2019. Btw, the receipts were time stamped in Apr 2019 so apparently she didn’t have them like she said. Now, the true question is did SHE order them or did BW use her card and was it with or without her permission? Can’t wait until trials.

Thankx for clarifying those dates.

The thing is, Billy had no reason to buy those 2 BPVs. What did he even need them for? Any BPVs he might have worn during the murders would have forensic evidence on them so they would be disposed of along with the special shoes, gloves, masks, other clothing, trail cams, phones, shell casings and silencers and much more.

Billy didn't get rid of all that evidence then turn around and decide to take those 2 BPVs and wash them and drop them off at mother's house. If Billy bought BPVs they are long gone.

Makes more sense that Fred bought those 2 vests then anyone else. Opinion only.

Can you clarify what was said about the vests? I've heard there was no DNA found on them but for some reason they think they were worn to the murders? ?

 

[Merrygirl]

First of all there seems to be a big problem with our justice system when people continually get released when they are guilty.

AW could say she was at Walmart shopping to sell shoes on eBay and make money. If she did have a eBay sellers account that would look good for her and could put some doubt in the jury

With corrupt LE (reader tampering with evidence and Jenkins killing everything in sight), we just need to hope the evidence is overwhelmingly dam*ing against the W clan. They need some dna

Anyone could have gone and threw that silencer part in that well. They had years to do it. Also anyone could’ve buried or planted any other evidence on the W clan. I think they have some very good evidence including the talks about payback

Anyone COULD have thrown it in the well but I would not be surprised if there are fingerprints of the killer(s) on the Maglight silencer because I doubt the killer(s) thought to wear gloves when assembling the homemade silencer or when attaching it to the muzzle. I’d also expect there was blowback dna from the victims since the ARs indicate the victims where shot at close range. JMOO.

 

[Merrygirl]

Thankx for clarifying those dates.

The thing is, Billy had no reason to buy those 2 BPVs. What did he even need them for? Any BPVs he might have worn during the murders would have forensic evidence on them so they would be disposed of along with the special shoes, gloves, masks, other clothing, trail cams, phones, shell casings and silencers and much more.

Billy didn't get rid of all that evidence then turn around and decide to take those 2 BPVs and wash them and drop them off at mother's house. If Billy bought BPVs they are long gone.

Makes more sense that Fred bought those 2 vests then anyone else. Opinion only.

Can you clarify what was said about the vests? I've heard there was no DNA found on them but for some reason they think they were worn to the murders? ?

JMOO, I don’t think there has been any reported facts about BW wearing them to the murders, only speculation by our sleuthers. I do vaguely recall (iirc) that it was brought out in one of Fred’s pretrials (? in Feb) that there was no blood found on the BPVs. If we need a link I can dig for it but I’m sure it is in our timeline. In moo, I think BW ditched the tainted ones and FW purchased new ones for protection against “the killers out there” (or in preparation for retaliation against LE).

 

[Cool Cats]

JMOO, I don’t think there has been any reported facts about BW wearing them to the murders, only speculation by our sleuthers. I do vaguely recall (iirc) that it was brought out in one of Fred’s pretrials (? in Feb) that there was no blood found on the BPVs. If we need a link I can dig for it but I’m sure it is in our timeline. In moo, I think BW ditched the tainted ones and FW purchased new ones for protection against “the killers out there” (or in preparation for retaliation against LE).

Thankx! That helps...

 

[Fletcher73]

Charges dropped against Wagner matriarch in Rhoden slayings
Jmo but the state still needing to investigate tells me they didn’t have the evidence against FW. Jmo

Whatever FW's defense provided to the special prosecutor's office was "favorable and required further study" toward the capital cases against the W4, according to the prosecution's memorandums filed last week, regarding the obstruction and perjury charges on FW.

JMO but that doesn't sound like they "didn't have the evidence against FW," but that they are properly applying their resources onto the W4 cases at this time.

IMO there's evidence, data, or information that the prosecution did not wish to reveal to FW because she appears (to me) to lack self-control - just from watching her MSM-manipulation attempts to deny, distract and derail. Had the prosecution provided her sensitive information, and her case dismissed, she'd immediately blab to her family members and possibly interfere with the W4 cases IMO. I think FW won't be restricted from visiting any of the W4 now that her case is dismissed.
Charges dropped against Fredericka Wagner, at least for now - Portsmouth Daily Times MOO.

 

[Fletcher73]

Reader is also the one patrolling the area the entire time this case went unsolved. Plenty of time to plant evidence and think of ways to set up someone. Quit asking me why people I don’t know. Because he’s unstable maybe?

These comments against Sheriff Reader appear to be gossip because I haven't seen any MSM reporting that substantiates your comments.

Not trying to be the hall monitor here but IMO you have to post the MSM links or show other acceptable links to back up your comments, per the TOS Rules.

 

[Loomis124]

The R's had a propensity for solving their problems with violence? They are all dead now and the W's are accused of murdering them in front of children. The W's obviously have a bit of a violence problem.

Why did you choose to speak so badly about the dead family and their relatives and not a negative word about the Wagners?

jmo

Good question. I await the answer as well. TY

 

[Loomis124]

First of all there seems to be a big problem with our justice system when people continually get released when they are guilty.

AW could say she was at Walmart shopping to sell shoes on eBay and make money. If she did have a eBay sellers account that would look good for her and could put some doubt in the jury

With corrupt LE (reader tampering with evidence and Jenkins killing everything in sight), we just need to hope the evidence is overwhelmingly dam*ing against the W clan. They need some dna

Anyone could have gone and threw that silencer part in that well. They had years to do it. Also anyone could’ve buried or planted any other evidence on the W clan. I think they have some very good evidence including the talks about payback

JUNK IMO

 

[StrangeOne]

How so? She's only been tried once. All the gloating and celebrating isn't going to endear her to the general public, JMO

JMO but if I were her I would be wary of gloating in front of the emotionally destroyed family members.

 

[StrangeOne]

Wagner family matriarch claims innocence as case is dismissed

At the end of her interview in the courthouse hallway FW made a comment that she never even knew the Rhodens. Wonder why she said that?

To distance herself from them. JMO I believe she thinks she's smarter than everyone else just like every would be criminal out there.

 

[Cool Cats]

I possibly have a clue as to what the business may have been and I have a link from MSM (WCPO) but it’s on YouTube. Not sure if I should post it. It may imply speaking ill of the dead and I don’t want to be banned from Websleuths. The link specifically gives reference to the R’s murders and shows scenes from what I believe to be CRsr’s and FR’s murder sites.

You can link news videos from MSM. Your not responsible for the content if some find it offensive. You can't please all the people all of the time. People are free to skip posts.

 

[Betty P]

First of all there seems to be a big problem with our justice system when people continually get released when they are guilty.

AW could say she was at Walmart shopping to sell shoes on eBay and make money. If she did have a eBay sellers account that would look good for her and could put some doubt in the jury

With corrupt LE (reader tampering with evidence and Jenkins killing everything in sight), we just need to hope the evidence is overwhelmingly dam*ing against the W clan. They need some dna

Anyone could have gone and threw that silencer part in that well. They had years to do it. Also anyone could’ve buried or planted any other evidence on the W clan. I think they have some very good evidence including the talks about payback

The silencer part was from a Maglite flashlight. Those have serial numbers marking them. It would be fairly easy for LE to trace that back to any purchase made by the W's.

Combined with all the other evidence against the Wagners, including DNA, evidence in vehicles likely used the night of the murders, ballistics, weapons, security video from the Rhoden properties, shoe prints, plus hacking, Rhodens's security camera VCR recorder found on Wags property while they were still living there, texts, phone calls, voice mails, etc. it sounds like the Wags did it and LE won't have trouble proving their case to a jury.

Maglite Switch Replacement

 

[StrangeOne]

Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader indicted on 16 charges

Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader indicted on 16 charges

"The grand jury in Pike County presented Reader with 16 charges including seven charges of conflict of interest, four charges of theft in office, two charges of theft, one charge each of tampering with evidence, tampering with records, and securing writings by deception," The Auditor of the State of Ohio Keith Faber said in a statement.

Defense Attorneys did a happy dance when they found this out.

 

[Betty P]

Defense Attorneys did a happy dance when they found this out.

If so, it will probably be the last one they'll be doing. At least until the cash their paychecks from Ohio taxpayers. They're in it for the money.

 

[Betty P]

Explain for us just how exactly this scenario could be remotely plausible? How is LE going to keep this secret from collapsing unto itself. How are they gonna fool forensics? This isnt a conspiracy site.

Agree.

Thankx for clarifying those dates.

The thing is, Billy had no reason to buy those 2 BPVs. What did he even need them for? Any BPVs he might have worn during the murders would have forensic evidence on them so they would be disposed of along with the special shoes, gloves, masks, other clothing, trail cams, phones, shell casings and silencers and much more.

Billy didn't get rid of all that evidence then turn around and decide to take those 2 BPVs and wash them and drop them off at mother's house. If Billy bought BPVs they are long gone.

Makes more sense that Fred bought those 2 vests then anyone else. Opinion only.

Can you clarify what was said about the vests? I've heard there was no DNA found on them but for some reason they think they were worn to the murders? ?

I still find it odd that she made so many excuses about the BPVs, that the one she bought for Billy was too small, even though she claims he didn't wear it. There's something going on WRT the sizes of those vests and who wore them. I'm not sure what, but we'll probably find out.

And where did LE find the BPV's? They were photographed in a badly remodeled bathroom. Why would someone store BPVs in a bathroom? I still think they were in a hidden crawl space area. Whoever put them there didn't expect anyone to find them. JMO, she didn't even know the BPVs were hidden in her house.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

Whatever FW's defense provided to the special prosecutor's office was "favorable and required further study" toward the capital cases against the W4, according to the prosecution's memorandums filed last week, regarding the obstruction and perjury charges on FW.

JMO but that doesn't sound like they "didn't have the evidence against FW," but that they are properly applying their resources onto the W4 cases at this time.

IMO there's evidence, data, or information that the prosecution did not wish to reveal to FW because she appears (to me) to lack self-control - just from watching her MSM-manipulation attempts to deny, distract and derail. Had the prosecution provided her sensitive information, and her case dismissed, she'd immediately blab to her family members and possibly interfere with the W4 cases IMO. I think FW won't be restricted from visiting any of the W4 now that her case is dismissed.
Charges dropped against Fredericka Wagner, at least for now - Portsmouth Daily Times MOO.

The notion of there being ‘sensitive information’ that could be used by the W defense, and the fear FW might share is mistaken. Any information or evidence held by the prosecutor has to be turned over to the defendant.

Also it is stated that the defense turned over ‘favorable’ information. This means favorable to the defense. No defense attorney is going to turn over information favorable to the prosecution. Case dismissed due to lack of evidence to convict IMO

 

[Merrygirl]

You can link news videos from MSM. Your not responsible for the content if some find it offensive. You can't please all the people all of the time. People are free to skip posts.

I’m not not saying this IS what business Rs/Ws were in but if this is true it would explain a lot of our missing links in this story. JMOO.

 

[Merrygirl]

The notion of there being ‘sensitive information’ that could be used by the W defense, and the fear FW might share is mistaken. Any information or evidence held by the prosecutor has to be turned over to the defendant.

Also it is stated that the defense turned over ‘favorable’ information. This means favorable to the defense. No defense attorney is going to turn over information favorable to the prosecution. Case dismissed due to lack of evidence to convict IMO

But how Defense and Prosecution interpret the facts can be direct polar opposites depending on any undisclosed facts and how those facts are spun, IMO.