OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #12

[mrssmith23]

Here's a link to the photo of DR's place showing 3 cars. There's a silver one there, along with 2 red ones. I though I read that this silver one belonged to CR2?

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/...age.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpghttp://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.11723526.1461427478!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg

CRjr had a silver Tiburon, but that's not a Tiburon. He obviously had access to vehicles and could have been driving something else if he was at DR's.

I believe the silver Tiburon is in this photo in the driveway next to the red cavalier. JMO.

 

[mrssmith23]

Not saying it is odd, just never seen it outside a trailer. I live in Kentucky and was raised in s. Ohio.
If they used gas for heating and water then maybe their grow op wouldn't be flagged by the electric company.

They would still be using electricity for the lights which is what sets the radars off, sometimes.

I definitely see them outside of trailers all the time around here though. Natural gas isn't often an option unless they want to pay a ton to have lines run out here.

 

[rsd1200]

Even if it wasn't a chop shop, there are plenty of things that could have been illegally happening with those cars. I am curious that they towed that many. Not totally sold on the chop shop, but something hinky seems to have been going on. JMO


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I don't know. They loved that demo derby and it takes cash and cars to enjoy that hobby. They strip the cars down to the body and then rebuild them with higher end powerful parts. They need a car that will take a licking and keep on ticking. People may think these guys are dumb, rednecks, but they aren't. At least not when it comes to automobiles and working wonders on them. They’re basically engineers and they create cars that will last and win in those derbies. People who are not in it too much might have one or two cars, but people into seriously will have a whole pasture filled with cars. That's one reason I'm not too concerned w/the cars.

 

[grow73]

Also, the actual day it happened there was a lot of confusion. I actually read that CR Jr. was at Left Fork and lots of people were asking why anyone would let a 16 year old stay there by himself and I also read some news posts on Twitter that the 16 yeah old was found on the road or in an intersection on Left Fork. Idk if I can find links to those now though because they probably took it down once things started to settle down. Reporters sometimes go crazy trying to be the first source and do make mistakes.

I remember now, they first said they'd found victims at three residences, and one outside, nearby. This was thought to be CR2, or at least in my head. And ever since, I've had trouble picturing him killed in bed. Imagine being in the middle of all this, trying to keep a clear head and an open mind? I feel for the investigators. At least when I'm not shaking my head at them. :scared:

 

[rsd1200]

Anyone find it funny that there are hardly any windows on this trailer?

Now that you mentioned it, that is quite odd. I'd not noticed that before.

 

[kaytay]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-571a9c8c/turbine/ct-ohio-shooting-pike-county-20160422

Better view of the Tiburon parked out front.
This view also shows a window that was covered by the tree in the pic posted by TG5611

 

[Betty P]

Now that you mentioned it, that is quite odd. I'd not noticed that before.

I had noticed it before, too, but just assumed it was a lower-end model of the trailer. But, yeah, it looks like there's a solid panel that has been placed where a window would normally be. Very private.

 

[Everyday Grace]

You are mostly correct, but the property that I have been talking about that is where they were living was not deeded to them in 2008. There were four properties deeded. However if you look, the map shows 5 properties. One CR bought on his own in 2009 from FC. Parcel 23007700. Which is .35 acre that they were sort of living on. I think there has to be some arrangement. At least I hope so.

One thing I did notice was that the two trailers that CR and FR lived in show up on auditor site for EF and DS in the sketch view and also on the dwelling tab and property card. The auditors site shows 3 trailers on that 22 acre property. Along with a garage.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse and I feel bad correcting people. Just trying to help clear things up.

Yep. The sketch and the property card clinch it for me. The two mobile homes and the garage are physically located on 23-0121. If the overlay maps are imprecise, it would appear to be by not enough to change the overall picture.

May well be due to bad survey lines at some point in the land's history. I reckon there is/was probably some sort of agreement/arrangement among the parties.

The 23-0077 parcel seems like a bit of an anomaly in itself. I'll look further into it to see what there is to be seen about it and it's history.

Glutton for punishment, I am, at times. Lol. I'll spare confusing anyone else with it.

Thank you again, dayna769, for the help and your graciousness in answering my questions.

 

[Ellmau]

They're dogs and they're alive. In video of the crime scene you can see them walking around, wagging their tails at LE officers.

Yeah, they don't seem to be the type to attack intruders. But of course there may have been others that were fierce; ISTR DS saying KR had a pitbull.

 

[grow73]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-571a9c8c/turbine/ct-ohio-shooting-pike-county-20160422

Better view of the Tiburon parked out front.
This view also shows a window that was covered by the tree in the pic posted by TG5611

It was some speculation about the open window earlier. The general lack of windows can explain the open window, guess they needed air. (Even though the smell from the caged animals must have been bad). But it would most definitly serve as one of very few escape routes if something happened in the other parts of the house.

 

[ShHolmz]

Or he was paranoid too(like ds said kr was) and didn't feel safe with windows...

I also noticed the wheelchair ramp and the condition of the concrete leading to the steps.
The concrete pad looks relatively new and I don't remember mention of any of the family that would need this type of access to the home. Another curiosity.

 

[NWLady]

Anyone find it funny that there are hardly any windows on this trailer?

Good observation!

 

[Nickandnora]

The white one would be FR walker hound he also had Black and Tan hounds. He was very proud of them as he had numerous photos of them on fb

 

[Everyday Grace]

Here's a link to the photo of DR's place showing 3 cars. There's a silver one there, along with 2 red ones. I though I read that this silver one belonged to CR2?

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/...age.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpghttp://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.11723526.1461427478!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg

I read the same, but disagreed and said nothing at the time. The silver vehicle at Dana's does not look like a Tiburon, IMO.

 

[VicVixvi]

I did. Made me think there is something to the theory that this was a business/office/hang-out/guest-house. And I am thinking about the kind of business that doesn't like windows.

I noticed that early on but didn't comment on it. My initial reaction was that perhaps this was where the grow room was located.

 

[grow73]

Yeah, they don't seem to be the type to attack intruders. But of course there may have been others that were fierce; ISTR DS saying KR had a pitbull.

The two dogs Leonard Manley was refering to, was the two at DR's place.
Looks like CR1 and FR kept theirs tied up. They apparently all had pit bulls. Has DS said anything about KR's dog being or _not_ being around?

Edit: I stand corrected, FR has a different breed. :blushing:

 

[NWLady]

I did. Made me think there is something to the theory that this was a business/office/hang-out/guest-house. And I am thinking about the kind of business that doesn't like windows.

It doesn't look like LE will have to do much boarding up on that one, if any.

 

[kaytay]

I read the same, but disagreed and said nothing at the time. The silver vehicle at Dana's does not look like a Tiburon, IMO.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-571a9c8c/turbine/ct-ohio-shooting-pike-county-20160422

 

[Ellmau]

The two dogs Leonard Manley was refering to, was the two at DR's place.
Looks like CR1 and FR kept theirs tied up. They apparently all had pit bulls. Has DS said anything about KR's dog being or _not_ being around?

Yes, it was in the trailer with KR's body, and the police had to get him to pacify it as it knew him, in order for them to get in. Which raises all sorts of questions about KR's death.

 

[VicVixvi]

Yep. The sketch and the property card clinch it for me. The two mobile homes and the garage are physically located on 23-0121. If the overlay maps are imprecise, it would appear to be by not enough to change the overall picture.

May well be due to bad survey lines at some point in the land's history. I reckon there is/was probably some sort of agreement/arrangement among the parties.

The 23-0077 parcel seems like a bit of an anomaly in itself. I'll look further into it to see what there is to be seen about it and it's history.

Glutton for punishment, I am, at times. Lol. I'll spare confusing anyone else with it.

Thank you again, dayna769, for the help and your graciousness in answering my questions.

If you use Google Maps and get down to a very close map view, it will show property lines. If you then toggle to Sat. view, it appears that the trailer and building are both on CR's property although a lot of the cars are not.