OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #16

[sumzero]

We have no idea if either of them were sleeping. I'm not saying CRsr IS the target, I'm just stating I've felt like he was more the target than CRjr in my own personal opinion.

It had sounded like DR was potentially not in bed by the way JM described the scene, so why wouldn't she have been shot that many times? Just some thoughts that make me feel this way.

Nothing has given remotely been indicated GR could be the target as far as MSM. What could indicate CRsr if the fact this all occurred on his properties, his own family and children, and now the report he was shot this many times. JMO.


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You make a lot of sense. GR had a history of drug issues, but I'm not sure he had the "brains" to develop one or more (legal or illegal) projects Chris Sr. seemed to be involved in. Also, I'm actually surprised that everyone but Chris Sr. was shot exclusively in the head. To me, this suggests that all of them were in bed (and caught by surprise). I suppose someone could have leapt out of bed, been restrained, and then killed execution-style.

 

[little05]

There is clearly more than we all know in this case because LE is so tight lipped. Almost like they knew this was going to happen. Makes me wonder who all is actually involved, IMO i think a part of the LE had something to do with it or knows who did and in someway maybe trying to cover it up. Whoever carried it out was very sophisticated and had all the means to make it happen quickly. Not many citizens are smart enough to do such a big job and get away with such without help on the inside. IMO they killed everyone who knew would tell, not that other family member don't know them just they have no idea it was them. This case has had me following looking for any new clues and updates. I'm glad i found this site so i dont feel like the only crazy person that investigates stuff like this daily.

 

[ohreally]

Snipped by me and BBM:

Apparently, it was Dewine's wife Fran who tipped off investigators that the roosters may have been kept for *advertiser censored*-fighting purposes by a Rhoden family member. Fran Dewine was watching a TV news report with an aerial view of one of the murder sites and noticed the set up. She then alerted the AG Dewine about her observations.

Dewine also elaborated on the three marijuana grow sites found at three of the murder sites. He told 700WLW that the sites were not just a few plants, but rather they were industrial grow sites used to produce marijuana for sale. He said it was one of the biggest operations he's seen in the state.

Read more: http://www.700wlw.com/articles/loca...dence-of-cockfighting-14641398/#ixzz49oKnWxpc

This is the first time I have seen this link. I am most interested in the last sentence that is not a quote, but says that DeWine says this is one of biggest operations speaking of marijuana) he has seen in the state.
I think I might be the only one that believes it was a huge sophisticated grow operation. The original quote from DeWine was that it was a sophisticated operation with HUNDREDS of plants. DeWine was never quoted as saying 200, yet somehow that has taken on a life of its own with some MSM stating two hundred.
One rumor that got my attention (the poster did say it was a rumor that was seen on another sight) is that the elaborate grow operation was actually built under the big newer metal shed. Again I emphasis this was posted as a rumor but as with all the other speculation it could be true.
Another poster posted a picture of a beautiful house that sure looked like just a house. Under the house was a huge grow sophisticated grow operation complete with an escape tunnel away from the house.
I just cannot get past the original statement from DeWine that the operation was sophisticated with HUNDREDS of plants.
IMO the grow operations is the reason for the murders, and somehow the cars fit in with the movement of the product.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Worked for me also. I personally think it was a life saver. I know it's misused by a lot of people. If you aren't mentally ready and committed to quitting then it prolly won't help much. There are people that use it properly and get straight.

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I had always wondered why they would give a drug to get you off of a drug, but after educating myself (to be able to help my cousin beat her addiction) I understand. It's sorta' like "the long goodbye" Thank goodness she is defeating it!

 

[mrssmith23]

You make a lot of sense. GR had a history of drug issues, but I'm not sure he had the "brains" to develop one or more (legal or illegal) projects Chris Sr. seemed to be involved in. Also, I'm actually surprised that everyone but Chris Sr. was shot exclusively in the head. To me, this suggests that all of them were in bed (and caught by surprise). I suppose someone could have leapt out of bed, been restrained, and then killed execution-style.

And I'm totally not saying it isn't possible GR was the target. But I've personally felt CRsr was. GR did have a drug history, but we don't know if he was still using, etc. I'm just explaining my thought process.

Because if this happened to me.. Peopl could say I had a history of drug use. In reality, I've been clean almost 10 years.


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[RAISINISBACK]

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/27/Piketon-death-certificates.html

"Christopher Rhoden Sr. was the only one of the eight who was shot somewhere other than the head."


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Is it possible for someone to post the article since I cannot get into it to read it. Thank you

 

[Ray Pate]

I know you do not mean to be trying to corner me into a box. I can verify my identification clearly. I just wanted to
join this discussion because I enjoy reading the story of so many people living in hell and still able to rise up
and give me information about their struggles. I find them heroes ...Now, for background info, Google or Facebook
me all you want. On FB, you can find me in police uniform somewhere. In Websleuth you can find my story if
you go to,"1960's Missing but not forgotten""then I get my feet wet in the case of Mary Shotwell Little, starting
around post 319 and so forth...I was on the Police force from 1960 to 1985..I am 82 now and an invalid. I
had a stroke and it left me with limited mobility and hearing...So,I still have the joy of helping solve cases via
Internet and other ways. Where you got the tip that I refused to be certified is a mystery. ..I just wanted to join
all of you because you are the cream of the crop. The year I worked on the Mary Shotwell Case, the
bloggers for the most part, were in their 20's when the case opened in 1965 and by the time I got in the
case, all bloggers were from everywhere and some were grandparents. They offered no input, only curious
about the case. Please do not take my remarks about the fox too harshly. I just call the shots like I see them..
In this case, I recognize the serial killer is a person who is highly trained and is a demanding presence
wherever he goes. But, oddly enough,you can not see the real person. In my posts sometime ago, I stated
that this case can be identified by a matter of deduction. Who is the person that we have described,,
that is able to pull off such a slaughter without leaving a trail of evidence? Do you know that we have had
victims shot in the head that could still talk some? Who do you know in this case has the opportunity and
freedom to spend every waking hour casing that corner of the boondocks without being spotted.. Who could
have visited the father every day before the slaughter and learned everything about where all victims
slept and with whom.Father and all his children would gladly receive him and gladly offer him any information
he needed to put the slaughter together....Why he left the babies, basically he is respectable.
Please do not hammer me too much on these thoughts..I hope I am wrong. Those bloggers who live around
there are reading my deductions with interests.. J.M.O. My opinion is no better than yours .. Selia

 

[NWLady]

I wonder does it necessarily mean that CR Sr's only shots were NOT in the head, or does it mean that he could also have been shot in the head, PLUS other locations of the body as well?

 

[Turnup44]

I heard that a female pike county sheriff said that there was $160k found in the walls of one of the trailers, and that's one of the reasons they took the homes to the warehouse

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Please don't take this the wrong way Ray Pate, but anyone could come on here with this user name claiming to be a former homicide detective. A google search will prove that a Ray Pate was a homicide detective but it doesn't prove that you are in fact him. You were asked to be verified so that we can put more weight into your knowledge, experience and suggestions but you declined. Yet you are now asking us to dismiss one of the theories presented and teasing us with a pretty strong implication of an official's guilt. I hope you will reconsider being verified so we can decide for ourselves whether to take your suggestions more seriously than someone with no experience being a homicide detective. Your input would also be beneficial in many other cases here at WS. Here's a link with instructions on verification. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Process-for-Professional-or-Insider-Posters

I agree that for us to trust that he is indeed the person he claims to be, he should be verified. Until such time, I choose to take his input with a huge grain of salt. I really hope he is who he claims to be. :thinking:

 

[Turnup44]

I wonder does it necessarily mean that CR Sr's only shots were NOT in the head, or does it mean that he could also have been shot in the head, PLUS other locations of the body as well?

It means he was shot in the head plus other locations.

 

[JustJaime]

Wow. So that indeed makes me think CR1 was the main target and they tried to get him to talk first. And considering that means others had multiple shots to the head. That is vicious and does lend more to pros?

Couldn't that mean he is the only one awake or tried to get away?

 

[OsoTejano]

Is it possible for someone to post the article since I cannot get into it to read it. Thank you

Probably not without running afoul of the dispatch's copyright. You can always clear your cache including cookies to get past the paywall if you are getting that




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[grow73]

Can you please post or link to an older picture of JJ?

In this pic he doesn't seem to have the bull neck going on, shoulders look normal, and his jaw is more narrow. I realize he's gained weight AND has a beard in recent pics, so I could be wrong, but I've seen transformations like this several times with people on steroids. It looks different when you build muscles without. Imo, of course.

http://gawker.com/tag/joel-jenkins

 

[OsoTejano]

Couldn't that mean he is the only one awake or tried to get away?

Or tried to put up a fight. GR may have been sleeping on the couch and CRSr may have been woken up by whatever noise that the killer/dogs etc made.


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[bluesneakers]

I don't like where this is going.

I don't like it either, but the more I think about it....

 

[Lindadanette]

If the "fox" is who I am thinking you are referring to, then the "fox" I think is on vacation.

That is so much harder for me to believe - but anything is possible...

 

[MaryMac250]

I wonder does it necessarily mean that CR Sr's only shots were NOT in the head, or does it mean that he could also have been shot in the head, PLUS other locations of the body as well?

The way I read it, he was also shot in the head.

 

[tehcloser]

Ray Pate!!!!!! I will gladly listen to the knowledge that your 82 years on this crazy planet has given you. And thank you for joining us.

 

[Lindadanette]

In this pic he doesn't seem to have the bull neck going on, shoulders look normal, and his jaw is more narrow. I realize he's gained weight AND has a beard in recent pics, so I could be wrong, but I've seen transformations like this several times with people on steroids. It looks different when you build muscles without. Imo, of course.

http://gawker.com/tag/joel-jenkins

Yes, his appearance changed as he managed to keep getting away with infractions - he grew more powerful.. Think about it, he hits an old man in a crosswalk and then gets sent to SWAT training? He kills a fleeing suspect and gets trained as a K-9 handler - they refer to him as their "dog handler", how many of us have questioned the issue of the dogs?

But for me, the first red flag was his eyes in this picture. I assume it's his official I'm a deputy now picture and his eyes show no emotion what so ever.