OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #21

[rsd1200]

I am looking for a ploy that could be used to get people to open a door.

I don't think there was one. I think that they either had a key or they broke into the homes. It's just not that hard to break into a standard trailer door, unless they have deadbolts, and I just don't think that they had them. CR1 had a key hidden. We don't know that the other homes didn't have a key hidden too. I'd not find it odd at all, considering CR1 had one and felt comfortable with that decision. I can't fathom leaving a spare key outside my home. No. Way. Also, they were, for the most part, found in their beds. W/the exception of GR and CR1.

 

[glf]

I don't think there was one. I think that they either had a key or they broke into the homes. It's just not that hard to break into a standard trailer door, unless they have deadbolts, and I just don't think that they had them. CR1 had a key hidden. We don't know that the other homes didn't have a key hidden too. I'd not find it odd at all, considering CR1 had one and felt comfortable with that decision. I can't fathom leaving a spare key outside my home. No. Way. Also, they were, for the most part, found in their beds. W/the exception of GR and CR1.

When they moved the homes, I did notice a deadbolt on Frankie's back door. They never showed shots close enough to the front doors to see if there were deadbolts on the front doors.

 

[rsd1200]

When they moved the homes, I did notice a deadbolt on Frankie's back door. They never showed shots close enough to the front doors to see if there were deadbolts on the front doors.

I noticed that on his back door as well. If they all had keys hidden outside though, it wouldn't matter. I've wondered about that from the time BJM said she knew where the hidden key was. She also did work for KR. I'd say she either had a key, or he kept one outside too. For all of the lights and dogs, keeping a spare key outside just seems to me that, at least CR1, was not concerned w/anyone breaking in on him. All it would take would be a slip up from one of the family who knew where the key was, and then people who he didn't want to know, would know. Pretty chancy in my view.

 

[AF555]

Why would Homeland Security be involved in this case, other than the cartel theory? Just curious.


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[Dr. Know?]

Per wiki, Homeland Security has 187 departments.

the U.S. federal Homeland Security and Homeland Defense includes 187 federal agencies and departments,[4] including the National Guard of the United States, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the United States Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the United States Secret Service, the Transportation Security Administration, the 14 agencies that constitute the U.S. intelligence community and Civil Air Patrol. Although many businesses now operate in the area of homeland security, it is overwhelmingly a government function

My mind goes wild with the narrowed down duties list x 8. RIP Rhodens and HG.

The scope of homeland security includes:
Emergency preparedness and response (for both terrorism and natural disasters), including volunteer medical, police, emergency management, and fire personnel;
Domestic and International intelligence activities, largely today within the FBI;
Critical infrastructure and perimeter protection;
Investigation of people making and distributing child *advertiser censored*;
Border control, including both land, maritime and country borders;
Transportation security, including aviation and maritime transportation;
Biodefense;
Detection of radioactive and radiological materials;
Research on next-generation security technologies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_security

 

[jk204]

Why would Homeland Security be involved in this case, other than the cartel theory? Just curious.


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Idk. Plenty of reasons. We had this discussion earlier in the thread. Several agencies are under homeland security

I am just observing in the environment a huge amount of guns, some hate and subversive talk. Most of it is macho bs. But if BCI is scanning thousands of pages of digital like they say, it's possible they have a question or two. Just speculating here.

Homeland is busy with all kinds of home threats starting with home grown stuff. The threat doesn't need to be foreign.

 

[AF555]

Idk. Plenty of reasons. We had this discussion earlier in the thread. Several agencies are under homeland security

I am just observing in the environment a huge amount of guns, some hate and subversive talk. Most of it is macho bs. But if BCI is scanning thousands of pages of digital like they say, it's possible they have a question or two. Just speculating here.

Homeland is busy with all kinds of home threats starting with home grown stuff. The threat doesn't need to be foreign.

I've been looking at their departments and agencies and org structure trying to figure out why... I think this article from Homeland Security makes sense. Maybe it's because it's considered a mass murder, or perhaps they found out someone was trying to "coerce or intimidate" a certain person or persons.


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When is mass murder considered domestic terrorism?

The official definition of domestic terrorism has changed in recent years. The FBI established a definition in 1994 through its Terrorist Research and Analytical Center. However, the current statutory definition derives from the USA Patriot Act, which states that acts of domestic terrorism are those which: “involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; appear to be intended (to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping) and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”

According to the FBI, a mass murder is defined as four or more murders occurring during a particular event with no cooling-off period between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location in which a number of victims are killed by an individual or more. There are also two other definitions of criminals who kill multiple victims: spree killers who kill two or more victims at more than one location, and serial killers, who murder three or more victims on separate occasions.

http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/cor...rrorism/e17b4534480b252474617ecef34be643.html



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[rsd1200]

Why would Homeland Security be involved in this case, other than the cartel theory? Just curious.


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They have such a diverse skill set that it could be any number of things. One that comes to mind, may be to analyze computer/phone/ etc... evidence in the case. Pike, Scioto, and Adams counties are distressed counties so it's likely that the monies for investigating some areas of this case may be more than what they are capable of affording, or having the skill sets to investigate. Just a guess.

 

[jk204]

They have such a diverse skill set that it could be any number of things. One that comes to mind, may be to analyze computer/phone/ etc... evidence in the case. Pike, Scioto, and Adams counties are distressed counties so it's likely that the monies for investigating some areas of this case may be more than what they are capable of affording, or having the skill sets to investigate. Just a guess.

The AG did say in video interview that they found something else while investigating, not necessarily directly related to the case. There could be more to it than just helping crunch digital data.

 

[Canaille]

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/combating-cyber-crime

 

[Traveller]

I researched how to break into a home when people are sleeping. There are instructions on what type of clothing to wear. To get through the piles of junk surrounding the trailers you would use a flashlight with a red bulb or with red plastic, there are specific instructions on how to walk through grass, in the house etc. in order to be silent. House entry is through the first floor bathroom window. Obviously one of the team has to be small enough to get through the window. Prior planning is required, recon as to occupancy habits etc. and drawing out floor plans. In an operation of this size there would be a lead person, at least one shooter, and an accomplice....lookout, deactivating security, and getaway driver. One comment stated that if perps are silent the dogs will not be awakened. Estimated time at each UHR trailer about 8-12 minutes. KR situation would be different.

 

[Traveller]

Just read elsewhere there were arrests in case. Any locals know about this or is this just a hoax?

 

[glf]

Back in '01 or '02, a couple of brothers and their families, including three minor kids, I think early elementary age, got busted. They had pot, and they found 43 guns of various sizes also.There was a big write up in the C'VALE paper, and supposedly they were in alot of trouble! This is a town of 2800! Within a couple of weeks they were back at home. I heard they got probation, and anytime guns are seized like that, the PD holds them for 12 months before the owners can get them back. Everybody in town knew they sold pot, and I'm not sure about anything else. Never heard they ever got in any more trouble. They lived about four blocks from us. I knew their ( the brothers) mom, and she was such a nice person. I still have trouble with the 43 guns, tho. There was never a shooting the entire 15 years we lived there, with the exception of a suicide.

 

[glf]

Just read elsewhere there were arrests in case. Any locals know about this or is this just a hoax?

I would lean toward a hoax. If there had been an arrest, and the reporters got wind of it, news flashes would be popping up everywhere!

 

[Traveller]

There were 4 individuals named. Pretty serious to libel someone if this is a hoax.

 

[glf]

There were 4 individuals named. Pretty serious to libel someone if this is a hoax.

Can you provide a link to the article, plz?

 

[jk204]

Just read elsewhere there were arrests in case. Any locals know about this or is this just a hoax?

No arrest has been made public by LE for this crime. A few days after the crime, it was reported in the media that one person had been arrested for a threat and publicly talked about it on social media.

It is my very intuitive opinion (figure out what it means) that other people in the environment of the victims could have been arrested for reasons that are not made public. Nothing as facts reported by media.

There is no official information on this. Therefore we cannot say with certainty that this is a hoax

 

[glf]

O/T I had told a couple of people that Dateline is doing a story about the Lori Heimer case featured on WS. It is not the episode that will be aired tonite! Hopefully next week.

 

[grow73]

I noticed that on his back door as well. If they all had keys hidden outside though, it wouldn't matter. I've wondered about that from the time BJM said she knew where the hidden key was. She also did work for KR. I'd say she either had a key, or he kept one outside too. For all of the lights and dogs, keeping a spare key outside just seems to me that, at least CR1, was not concerned w/anyone breaking in on him. All it would take would be a slip up from one of the family who knew where the key was, and then people who he didn't want to know, would know. Pretty chancy in my view.

I don't recall reading she found a hidden key. "She found the key and opened the door" is the quote I've read, making me think she could've had a spare on her.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

 

[DexterMorgan]

Imo. If the detectives can't solve this case. Then they are not worth much. Jmo.