OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #23

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“You have people that are timid. They’re scared and I realize that because they don’t want to be number 9 or number 10. There’s days that I worry as the sheriff about that, that I may have a number 9 or number 10. This is very, very serious.”

You would wonder why they don't put the ones they think are numbers 9 & 10 in protective custody. Or arrest them as a material witness. I personally think if he could have arrested them he already would have months ago. LE doesn't usually leave people with important information in a huge murder investigation out in the general public at risk of them being murdered also and losing all that important information.

Plus having a murder this big, with international news coverage, going unsolved doesn't make the Sheriff's office and Ohio LE look good.

That is besides what it is doing to the community to live in fear of a killer(s) running around in their midst. If it were me living in that area I would be thinking that if they killed 8 times one or two more wouldn't be a real stretch for them, especially since the motive is unknown. I live hundreds of miles away and I still watch what I post on here and how I word it because I am aware the killer(s) could be reading this. I can't even imagine what living within striking distance of these killers would be like. They could strike again anytime or anywhere. Besides once you start using murder as a solution to your problems it's easy to use it again and again until you are caught.
I think the reason numbers 9 and 10 have not come forward and been offered protection is because each one may have sizeable close family to worry about, and they LE just can't protect a whole bunch of people.

Reading between the lines, he says 9 & 10. Does that perhaps mean he, Reader, believes there are two separate people who hold the truth that could break this case open? Just a thought!

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Charlie's last name certainly doesn't mean he's transparent! I would hate to have vital info about this case. I would probably leave the state! Just makes me think of the oil rig explosion in Kansas in '05. It didn't take investigators but a day or two to let the publc know the rig had been tampered with. Two guys were killed, and there has been a $50,000.00 reward offered since the week after this happened. I am sure somebody knows or suspects something, but they are afraid to come forward.
 
Charlie's last name certainly doesn't mean he's transparent! I would hate to have vital info about this case. I would probably leave the state! Just makes me think of the oil rig explosion in Kansas in '05. It didn't take investigators but a day or two to let the publc know the rig had been tampered with. Two guys were killed, and there has been a $50,000.00 reward offered since the week after this happened. I am sure somebody knows or suspects something, but they are afraid to come forward.

I'd hope that I'd come forward if I knew something. I know folks are scared but I'd also be afraid to have whoever done this to be running around free.
 
I think he's bluffing. I still think he has no idea. He thinks they are in the area, but I don't think he knows.

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Thanks for the reply. It allows open communication which in solving something is greatly needed.

1) LE is returning all cars to the family. It will be interesting to see how many actual cars are returned.Further, if the cars were involved in some type of illegal scheme, the unseen manipulator would write it off as a loss. If the unseen person(s) could plan and execute a murder strategy, the loss of revenue from the cars can be eaten.

BTW, what better way to deal with excess illicit assets? LM said CR1 took the cars to a variety of shops. In this age of computerization, the backyard mechanic is pretty much done for. Further, when I find a reliable mechanic I stick with that one. CR1 ranged regionally and used many. Nice way to launder assets. A car needs $200 in repair, the "mechanic" charges $2000. $1500 from another party is laundered. DR is reported to have gotten $200 for each car sold. LM stated that cars were bought cheaply ( $500-$1000? ) then sold for as high as $8k. Given the basic buy cheap sell high strategy, they should have been a lot better off. It smells to my nose that CR1 possibly DR were mules. With pills, heroin and prostitution rife, there's a lot of illegal funds that need a rinse or two. Why else fly under ODMV radar and not get a dealer's license which is required for any auto sales other than "incidental" ones?


2) From other forums, I understand it was in the works. While folks still worked at low wage positions, the auditor's site for Pike county shows several land holdings for CR1. Many are listed as CR1 et al. Whether the "et al" is referencing lien holders or others listed on the title deed is not clear.

3) I concur. Further, Reader stated the perps were "local". I'm a native of Ohio and "local" may refer to a city, town or regionally. Therefore, "local" may be taken as from Portsmouth to Chillicothe and from Jackson to Hillsboro.

4) The earlier divorce in ( '07? ) was not on infidelity, cruelty etc. It was irreconcilable differences. I surmise he was starting shady activities at that point in his early 30s. Most mammalian mothers are protective of their young and our species is no different. He had 9 years of a certain course and decided it was best to change. He aged and saw things differently and DR may have made that a condition for reconciliation.

5) Agree. This only makes sense. It is a small community. I was reared in a small Ohio community and didn't know everyone but news travels easily. Families air dirty laundry and social media has enhanced this. All that is required is a grudge or resentment hidden thinly under a smiling facade.The "Trojan" is contacted casually by the planner or an associate and then work the land, till the soil and plant the seed until the "Trojan" is ready. The "Trojan" thinks it's a matter of going in and unleashing some "whoop *advertiser censored**" on a few ( pardon the term ). When things turn deadly, the "trojan" is caught by their own grudges and desire for payback even if all they do is sketch out room arrangements and hold back pets. That's why the time of KR's death is vital. Earlier, it is a part of the plan. Later, it is the "Trojan" who has thrown caution to the wind being complicit in previous deaths. I can see that mentality arising too easily.

7 & 8) Pretty much. It would be inter and intra-state spanning parts of Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia. Not surprisingly, this is the region where the cars for resale are drawn from.

All the discussion of who fathered a baby and the custody etc. etc. are all subplots. In their zeal to ID whomever, I think many are missing the bigger picture and focusing on the minute. Then again, this may be what LE wants so they don't have a cluttered field.

Of course, all this is my opinion and conjecture,

On the topic of back yard mechanics being over ...not really my step-son is a mechanic and opened a shop at home ..depends on how C1 kept up with the newer models and if he just worked on the older ones. Just a thought !
 
On the topic of back yard mechanics being over ...not really my step-son is a mechanic and opened a shop at home ..depends on how C1 kept up with the newer models and if he just worked on the older ones. Just a thought !

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This is true. There's still a few around here. Some will do business in barter, too.
 
On the topic of back yard mechanics being over ...not really my step-son is a mechanic and opened a shop at home ..depends on how C1 kept up with the newer models and if he just worked on the older ones. Just a thought !

I think that is the point. In order to work on a car, one must be able to diagnose it and do so correctly which is either run the codes to an auto parts store or have diagnostic equipment. Further, LM states that many cars required minimal work or that CR1 took these to various places. Now my father who was born in '28 always told me that once you find a good mechanic, stay with that one but there appears to be multiple ones involved. Smells to me, on the surface at least, a dandy way to launder illicit funds.
 
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Reader was sworn as Sheriff this week and he is reported as stressing the fact that people close to the victims have not been truthful. This is interesting.
Journalist Chris Graves has covered this case well by reporting facts as well as quotes from relatives. She has also given a human side to this drama.
When was her last article on this case? I am surprised not seeing an article about the christmas season without loved ones.
She reported quotes from relatives. Are the quotes the true accounts of the events?
 
I think that is the point. In order to work on a car, one must be able to diagnose it and do so correctly which is either run the codes to an auto parts store or have diagnostic equipment. Further, LM states that many cars required minimal work or that CR1 took these to various places. Now my father who was born in '28 always told me that once you find a good mechanic, stay with that one but there appears to be multiple ones involved. Smells to me, on the surface at least, a dandy way to launder illicit funds.

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CR1 and/or KR may have had the diagnostics machine, and had someone they could call, and ask what the code meant, if needed. The bigger thing is the specialty tools. A part on the newer cars may require a tool that is only used on a particular part, and that tool may cost thousands of dollars. A dealer automatically gets that tool sent to them (and is charged for it as well) b/c the dealership is expected/required to have said tool to repair their autos. Diagnostics equipment can be bought, and upgraded, as needed, especially if you have a lot of cars. I'd say the dealership that they sold under had the diags & tools,but, the cars that they bought and fixed (they were known to be very good mechanics) up for the derbies, they did the mechanic work on themselves. Anyone can buy the tools, but they are very pricey.
 
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CR1 and/or KR may have had the diagnostics machine, and had someone they could call, and ask what the code meant, if needed. The bigger thing is the specialty tools. A part on the newer cars may require a tool that is only used on a particular part, and that tool may cost thousands of dollars. A dealer automatically gets that tool sent to them (and is charged for it as well) b/c the dealership is expected/required to have said tool to repair their autos. Diagnostics equipment can be bought, and upgraded, as needed, especially if you have a lot of cars. I'd say the dealership that they sold under had the diags & tools,but, the cars that they bought and fixed (they were known to be very good mechanics) up for the derbies, they did the mechanic work on themselves. Anyone can buy the tools, but they are very pricey.

I know here in the UK you can buy a Bluetooth Diagnostic Tool from Ebay for about £10 ( it plugs into the OBDII port), it links to most Android devices and will show fault codes and sometimes allow you to clear them plus some will show revs, temp, boost, air/fuel ratio etc and more. unsure if its the same in the US.

I have one and have used it on several cars incl Ford, Volvo and i think my Mums Saab.

I can get links if needed.
 
Lastly, a quick google will usually result in finding any specialized tools needed to work on cars, if not quite often there are workarounds etc that can be done.
 
Lastly, a quick google will usually result in finding any specialized tools needed to work on cars, if not quite often there are workarounds etc that can be done.

Thanks Scots! There are a few independent shops that are successful around here, but, what we call "shade tree" mechanics, are a bit more scarce these days. I think the Rhodens did do a lot of work on their own, b/c LM said "the cars wouldn't need a lot of work and were not difficult to fix and resell for a tidy profit." and "Several friends and acquaintance of the Manley and Rhoden families said they were adept and highly skilled in mechanics". The Rhodens did have to haul some of the cars to other body shops for repair, though, according to LM. I think they knew how to spot good deals and low cost fixes too. But, I don't think this about the cars though. I think they were adept with the cars from running in the derbies for years and years, and building their own cars, so the idea to start their own used car lot started to take shape. CR1 repaired them, DR cleaned them up and got them ready to sell at Scioto River Trading Co. and they were working toward having a lot of their own. I could be wrong though. It could be the cars, at this point I'm not discounting anything.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/18/why-rhoden-family-had-so-many-cars/84433962/
 
Thanks Scots! There are a few independent shops that are successful around here, but, what we call "shade tree" mechanics, are a bit more scarce these days. I think the Rhodens did do a lot of work on their own, b/c LM said "the cars wouldn't need a lot of work and were not difficult to fix and resell for a tidy profit." and "Several friends and acquaintance of the Manley and Rhoden families said they were adept and highly skilled in mechanics". The Rhodens did have to haul some of the cars to other body shops for repair, though, according to LM. I think they knew how to spot good deals and low cost fixes too. But, I don't think this about the cars though. I think they were adept with the cars from running in the derbies for years and years, and building their own cars, so the idea to start their own used car lot started to take shape. CR1 repaired them, DR cleaned them up and got them ready to sell at Scioto River Trading Co. and they were working toward having a lot of their own. I could be wrong though. It could be the cars, at this point I'm not discounting anything.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/18/why-rhoden-family-had-so-many-cars/84433962/


Interesting...
Manley maintains he does not know anything about any marijuana growing, saying Monday he did not often visit Rhoden's properties."I didn't have no reason to go down there,'' he said.

Manley said he would help Chris Rhoden Sr. repair cars he bought at auctions. Often, he said, the cars wouldn't need a lot of work and were not difficult to fix and resell for a tidy profit.
 
Interesting...
Manley maintains he does not know anything about any marijuana growing, saying Monday he did not often visit Rhoden's properties."I didn't have no reason to go down there,'' he said.

Manley said he would help Chris Rhoden Sr. repair cars he bought at auctions. Often, he said, the cars wouldn't need a lot of work and were not difficult to fix and resell for a tidy profit.

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Yeah, poor LM. I feel really bad for him. I don't think he probably went snooping around on the property or anything, but helped CR1 out if he needed an extra pair of hands with the cars. He may have just dropped by and hung out every so often, or even known about the pot, but just didn't want to admit that to the everyone.
 
Sad that this case hasn't been "solved" yet. I use quotation marks on solved because I think they know who the murderer(s) are and I believe they have enough evidence for arrests. But, I also believe there are circumstances that are holding them back.

I went on a short day trip today and while in the car found myself thinking about this case. Has there been any discussion here about the possibility of the murderers being a married couple? It dawned on me about the "marital privilege" where one spouse can't be forced to testify against the other. And it would be so easy for each other to have an alibi in each other.

Just random thoughts.

I really can't fathom a woman being involved, but, I've been wrong before!
The marriage thing is a good angle to consider. A close friend in Kansas husband got involved with drugs. The straw that broke the camel's back, is he cheated on her, and they split up. Not long after, he got busted. She didn't file for divorce until after his day in court for that simple fact. She was totally thru with him, but she didn't want to testify against him, they have two kids who were in high school at the time. He didn't get a jail sentence but several years of intence probation, called community corrections in Kansas.:star::cat::cat:
 
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