OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

[RAISINISBACK]

Even if you make a bunch of cash illegally (30-40k for property ect.) you can't just spend it. Even laundering with cars from auction there is a paper trail with sale prices. Go to your own bank withdraw 5k twice and go back 2 days later and deposit it. There are questions and you have to sign papers, they may even call for more information after the fact. This much spent in that short of time would throw red flags all over.

It's really odd we never found out who the people with BJM were that morning. Wonder if it was a W or relation.

Even if there is ever a arrest I don't think we will get the full story unless someone in the family or the killers themselves start talking.

I do not believe this is liberty and justice at all. In fact this investigation is a disgrace to our nation, constitution and most importantly this family.

Jmo about 10% chance an arrest is ever made in this case at this point

BBM

I can almost guarantee that money never hit the bank. If the R's were into drug trafficking or anything else illegal there is no way any money was ever put in a bank account from the proceeds. The real estate he bought, some of it (DR's was from a relative), the rest he could have just made a deal with whoever owned it and changed the deed over. The building he would have just bought materials for or had someone to build it. None of those transactions would have been reported to the IRS. Case in point, a client bought a house here in town for 15000.00 with cash money he won at the casino. Deed was changed into his name at the court house by the seller and he moved in the next day. The money never went into his bank account. I doubt it even went into the sellers bank account. In fact it probably ended up back in the casino.

 

[jk204]

Just got a chance to watch this. Very interesting. The little boy was very wise to pretend to be sleeping. Family, killing family, over greed, money, land. Cold blooded. I have wondered, in the R/G case, if they've searched the local creeks and rivers for dumped firearms/clothing.

This kind of story happens more often than we imagine. Over the last months, I posted links to* 3 stories:

1) man killed sister-in-law and other family members. He was living with his brother and his wife. When his brother died, she wanted him to move out.

2) man killed brother in-law and family. He and wife, sister of the victim, believed they were robbed of an off-the-books family inheritance. She was charged with complicity in the disposal of the corpses. Very horrific crime.

3) 32 years ago, a 4 year old boy was found bound, attached and drown in a river. This year family members were arrested. Motive is believe to be jealousy over social status.

After reading these, I think I am ready to believe any motive in the R case.

 

[jk204]

I found many stories of all types. But I haven't found stories of revenge over bullying or humiliation. Does this happen?

For example someone taking revenge after suffering from discrimination over appearance, origin or sexual orientations.

Last week, I posted a link to a DailyBeast story about fights FR and CRjr had. From this story, I made an opinion the family spoke its mind and behaved according to its values.

 

[Dudly]

BBM

I can almost guarantee that money never hit the bank. If the R's were into drug trafficking or anything else illegal there is no way any money was ever put in a bank account from the proceeds. The real estate he bought, some of it (DR's was from a relative), the rest he could have just made a deal with whoever owned it and changed the deed over. The building he would have just bought materials for or had someone to build it. None of those transactions would have been reported to the IRS. Case in point, a client bought a house here in town for 15000.00 with cash money he won at the casino. Deed was changed into his name at the court house by the seller and he moved in the next day. The money never went into his bank account. I doubt it even went into the sellers bank account. In fact it probably ended up back in the casino.

I heard that even the money made in Colorado with the sale of pot can not be put in a bank because it is still a federal offense to sell it. If it was deposited, it would be confiscated and the person could be arrested on federal charges...
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[rsd1200]

Even if you make a bunch of cash illegally (30-40k for property ect.) you can't just spend it. Even laundering with cars from auction there is a paper trail with sale prices. Go to your own bank withdraw 5k twice and go back 2 days later and deposit it. There are questions and you have to sign papers, they may even call for more information after the fact. This much spent in that short of time would throw red flags all over.

It's really odd we never found out who the people with BJM were that morning. Wonder if it was a W or relation.

Even if there is ever a arrest I don't think we will get the full story unless someone in the family or the killers themselves start talking.

I do not believe this is liberty and justice at all. In fact this investigation is a disgrace to our nation, constitution and most importantly this family.

Jmo about 10% chance an arrest is ever made in this case at this point

I think it was spent over a period of time and maybe they were only doing a single grow per year to supplement. They were not living lavishly at all. I doubt any of it went into the bank and they probably bought the cars and land with cash. If they were banking it, I think their car repair/sales may have been the laundering point, maybe only until they could go fully legal with their own lot, or just continue cleaning the dirty money after they got their lot established. They could have been complicit in laundering w/someone else. Used car lots are popular for laundering money. Land and restaurants are too. That's just my guess. People will always accept cash for land, cars, though. I personally prefer cash over a check.


It's been made mention of who was with BJM that day. In cruising this thing for over a year, I've run across the names a couple times. It's just never been in MSM. They probably do not want the press prying into their lives.

 

[rsd1200]

This kind of story happens more often than we imagine. Over the last months, I posted links to* 3 stories:

1) man killed sister-in-law and other family members. He was living with his brother and his wife. When his brother died, she wanted him to move out.

2) man killed brother in-law and family. He and wife, sister of the victim, believed they were robbed of an off-the-books family inheritance. She was charged with complicity in the disposal of the corpses. Very horrific crime.

3) 32 years ago, a 4 year old boy was found bound, attached and drown in a river. This year family members were arrested. Motive is believe to be jealousy over social status.

After reading these, I think I am ready to believe any motive in the R case.

BBM
Yes, they do. We've had it happen in our extended family. Sibling against sibling.

 

[Bootsctr]

Digging in older stories:

This article from last year reported incidents with RM and TG. We haven't heard of these individuals in MSM since.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/violent-rhoden-brothers-met-a-violent-end-in-ohio-massacre

Should people closer to the case revisit this story and see if there is any connection with recent developments?

It would not surprise me if they were recruited to help, although the article specifically states they are not involved. I think the problem with this case is too many motives - revenge, custody, money, land, jealousy - this one has it all. I have never followed a case like this one. Revenge is a dish best served cold or so I am told.

 

[rsd1200]

I found many stories of all types. But I haven't found stories of revenge over bullying or humiliation. Does this happen?

For example someone taking revenge after suffering from discrimination over appearance, origin or sexual orientations.

Last week, I posted a link to a DailyBeast story about fights FR and CRjr had. From this story, I made an opinion the family spoke its mind and behaved according to its values.

What I have seen, read, has happened more over someone hurting kin, or doing them really dirty, just plain foul, over something the assailant can't let go of, or they've stewed over deep-seeded, long festering wounds, could be one or all three. Had one family member who went after a parent, fortunately both survived. That one is a murky one, not real sure of the details, except a whole bunch of anger played a role, it isn't talked about much, but neither is this more recent one.

 

[rsd1200]

It would not surprise me if they were recruited to help, although the article specifically states they are not involved. I think the problem with this case is too many motives - revenge, custody, money, land, jealousy - this one has it all. I have never followed a case like this one. Revenge is a dish best served cold or so I am told.

Bingo! There's so many directions to look at but I lean toward revenge of some sort. Someone hated these folks. Another old saying: There is a fine line between love and hate.

 

[Bootsctr]

I have to admit I thought the fight happened just prior to the murders. When I read jk204's article, I realized it happened almost a year prior to the murders. The timing seems just about right for revenge in my mind. It also fits with having to take out almost everyone to reach the intended targets in their mind. Really has opened my eyes as to the W's leaving town too from a different perspective.

 

[Renee110]

BBM
Yes, they do. We've had it happen in our extended family. Sibling against sibling.

Yep. Money talks, Bull***** walks. I have personal experience. And experience of what people (family) sellout for....

 

[rsd1200]

Yep. Money talks, Bull***** walks. I have personal experience. And experience of what people (family) sellout for....

Yep. One can just look at how well someone's family seems to get along, until the Final Will and Testament is read... There's several stories of physical fights at viewings too. Not gonna go in depth, but I understand where you're coming from.

 

[Venom]

I heard that even the money made in Colorado with the sale of pot can not be put in a bank because it is still a federal offense to sell it. If it was deposited, it would be confiscated and the person could be arrested on federal charges...
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Does that mean there are more robberies?

 

[Venom]

So I've had a few theories, never any solid. I think one way and then something else comes up. When this case first happened and hit the news I thought drugs. I think it was even before the reporting of the grow ops that I thought that. Then I was thinking a retaliation/taking justice into your own hands type thing. I've entertained the thought of it over custody, but I just can't see that. If it was over custody, would a whole family risk getting caught, jail, possibly death penalties. If they wanted custody of the child so bad that a big risk to take getting caught and losing the child for jail. It's possible, but I don't see it here.

Then a few weeks ago, the big drug bust happened around there. And I read about gangs, and I wasn't thinking this could be gang related. But yeah, I tried to take a good look at the people arrested in the drug bust. They all seem to be intermingled. Sheriff Reader offered his warning about gangs coming to Ohio and overdoses- and I thought What?? I didn't think he could be serious. I never heard of the one gang, I'll just abbreviate it as KF. I searched for info on them and I can't find anything. Then I've kind of went down a rabbit hole with it- and I have a thought that there could be a connection. If you search the people arrested in the drug raid, there are connections to the R's (maybe not directly but by marriage let's just say) and to the KF. Plausible, yes I guess. Interesting, yes. Do I know for sure, no.

Again, just speculation. I'm not saying for sure, just thought I'd throw out some of my latest thoughts and see what others think. If this is violating TOS, I'm sorry not trying to, just speculation.

 

[Venom]

A case in Ohio where two people were killed in their sleep and a four year old saw the perp that night. What he remembered helped convict the murderer.

https://www.investigationdiscoverygo.com/american-monster/the-green-monster/

I remember seeing that episode years ago. I often think about that story at night, spooked me out how the little boy said it was the green dragon that came in his room. The R murders reminded me of that story. Both were shot at night, in their beds. Such sad stories.

 

[Dudly]

No matter which of all the possible motives it is, one thing is certain. There was a lot of hatred or rage involved to kill these people this way.

 

[Iron city]

BBM

I can almost guarantee that money never hit the bank. If the R's were into drug trafficking or anything else illegal there is no way any money was ever put in a bank account from the proceeds. The real estate he bought, some of it (DR's was from a relative), the rest he could have just made a deal with whoever owned it and changed the deed over. The building he would have just bought materials for or had someone to build it. None of those transactions would have been reported to the IRS. Case in point, a client bought a house here in town for 15000.00 with cash money he won at the casino. Deed was changed into his name at the court house by the seller and he moved in the next day. The money never went into his bank account. I doubt it even went into the sellers bank account. In fact it probably ended up back in the casino.

Good story. If the seller outright owned the home it's possible he said he sold it for a dollar otherwise anything over 10k is reported. Buyer still has to pay taxes regardless. So pull up that sale you are referring to and look at the sale price. Also anything won in a casino over 2-3k is reported and accounted for on the spot. So if the IRS or Feds or whatever gov agency that would be looking into your property sale story would see this guy won the cash to buy the house at the Casino, therefore not even close to hand to hand cash.

 

[Iron city]

500-2k cars no problem buying them with cash and selling them for cash,however at the point you come up with 30k for a house a lot of questions are asked. I have/do deal with large amounts of cash made legally. I've paid cash for 20k motorcycles 30-40k on boats and down payments on houses. There are forms and questions every time with money deposited by an employer. So the thought of oh I had this under my mattress for a rainy day and you can spend it all in one place doesn't exist. Now if you have 30k and spend it on bubble gum at 30,000 different places is a different story. The shed could've been bought and built with cash sure. But no property changed hands for any realistic prices without question.

 

[Sunday]

Anyone have the link to Hanna Rhoden's Instagram? I can't seem to find it.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree, you can't just go buy a $25-$30k bike and it not throw up flags. I made the mistake of withdrawing money from my savings more than three times in one month, (two separate months in a certain amount of time) and I thought they were going to have a coronary. I'd banked there since I was a teenager (and that's been awhile)! The conversation was a bit terse on my end, tbh.

I think if CR1 made that kind of money on his pot endeavor, (My example was to show what could be made via only weed.) the used cars would be a good route to launder it. It's one of the more popular ways to launder, and he and DR were selling used cars. We've never seen the first leaf though so who knows.

I just don't see them as big players in the drug world. Selling some weed to maybe support a hobby in the derbies, and get their own used car business set up, yeah, and build up some land over the last several years, yeah, but they don't strike me as big shot dealers.

I've seen both kinds of dealers. The ones who live in 30 year old trailers, with the last car they bought surrounded by weeds b/c it quit, and their next car cost them less than a grand and they drove it till it dropped and then left it where it stopped, and if they had any, their kids were eventually removed. These folks had habits and they needed money to support their habits so they sold.

Then, there were the ones who had very nice homes, lived in nice subdivisions, had very nice cars, etc... and made some bank, b/c they don't partake, and handled their affairs in a different way. One, which totally blew me away, lived within a rock's throw of me, at my old place, and I'd have never guessed. None of us would have. Everyone on the street was shocked. Retired, grandparents, nice home, and cars, the wife had a little part-time job. He'd apparently been doing it for years (not weed either). Everyone, including his spouse, was completely shocked. I felt really bad for her.